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Re: Cortana lying to Foe Hammer

Posted By: Mark LXIX <blahblah@halbhalb.org> Date: 1/31/03 11:18 a.m.
In Response To: Re: Cortana lying to Foe Hammer (Mark Simmons)

: I think we're probably heading rapidly towards that highly populated 'agree
: to disagree' territory here though. [g]
Huh?
: Why include other, arguably less important, exchanges with Foe Hammer, but
: not one at such a crucial point in the story?
: Unless, of course, doing so is meant to mean something...
: Put it this way, and forget Foe Hammer directly for a moment. How much effort
: would it have been to included an exchange like this as the MC and Cortana
: fly out of the hanger bay at the end of the Keyes level and off into the
: distance, sunset, whatever: MC: "Hadn't we better get on and let the
: others know what we're up to?"
: CORTANA: (slightly peeved) "That *was* the next task on my list."
: MC: (bemused) "I didn't know you kept lists?"
: CORTANA: (defensively) "I always keep lists. Lists are good."
: (pauses) "You won't tell anyone, will you?"
: MC: (amused resignation) "No. Alright."
: CORTANA: (happier) "Thanks. I owe you one."
: MC: "Or two."
: CORTANA: "Don't start..."
Technically it is not be hard to but maybe too long of a dialouge for the video game. Keep in mind that stuff is made for movies all the time and it gets cut during editing. The storyboards for the game on Bungie's Truth and Reconcilliation aren't representative of the game.
: As it is, I can't see why they would have skipped what is basically an
: important plot related issue. They must have realised that doing so would
: sow some seeds of speculation.
Possibly.
: True, it could have gone a bit like this at Bungie: [Tongue In Cheek Mode]
: Bungie Bloke 1: "Hang on a minute. If we don't have Cortana say
: something to Foe Hammer a bit earlier about the plan to blow up Halo,
: isn't that going to look a bit weird and make people think that she's up
: to something?"
: Bungie Bloke 2: "Yeah, well... Some nut will probably dig his heels in
: and speculate about it for weeks until he's blue in the face. There's
: always one. [shrugs] Don't worry about it though. I'm sure that the rest
: of our customers will be quite sane about it and just assume that she has
: said something. Pass the ashtray, will you...?"
: ...but that sounds even more weird to me than Cortana getting a Flood virus.
However, Bloke #2 might have gotten a promotion because Bloke #2 made sure that Halo shipped on it's planned shipping date where Halo made it in time for the Christmas buying season at $50 a pop and all the Blokes had enough cash flow to feed their family's hungry mouths. Part of the reality of the video game is that people do this for a living. They have a budget that they must stick to. They have a product that they must deliver and the decision on what to produce is based on what the aggregate customer wants, which in this case he wants to be thouroughly entertained.
: This is supposed to be a properly scripted story, even if it is in a game.
: One of the important points about any fictional writing is that the reader
: (whatever) is, for the most, guided along a very precise, pre-planned
: path. A to B. Nice and linear. The only time you want the reader to get
: creative and start using their brain is when you specifically choose to
: make that happen. Leaving out information which is pertinent to events
: later in the plot is only done for one of two reasons: 1) You're clumsy
: and need to go on a course for fiction writers.
: 2) It's intentional, hopefully making the reader speculate during the
: intervening time and look forward to finding out the 'truth' later on.
However there is a 3). 3) would be that this is a video game and story development might take a back seat to gameplay. A lot of people didn't like Metal Gear Solid because it felt like a movie with a few moments of gameplay. Now MGS1 had a lot of plot development. MGS2 was like a bad movie with mediocre gameplay. Halo has a nice balance, it is mostly gameplay and enough story to keep you interested (especially you!, lol). Halo also outsold MGS2 IIRC. Halo's only criticism is that the rooms are monotonous and IMO the game engine is way too buggy. Note to Ferrex: I did like the Library. It was lots of fun.
: Of course, I could be talking out of my a$re. In which case, I will probably
: be humbled to admit it when we find out for sure later on.
I think speculating isn't worth it when we know that there will be a Halo 2 and possibly more Halo titles to come and maybe even some tie-ins to the original Marathon series. I am just going to sit back and see what unfolds at the playful minds at Bungie.
: What? Why not stop and watch her go down?
At least in Legendary mode I don't want to get creamed by the two Banshee's flying around. Also, I am usually concerned about time and making it to the Longsword.
: Summarising: You were saying that you felt that Foe Hammer must have been
: told of the plan in advance, otherwise how would she know that the 'crash
: site' Cortana mentioned was the PoA's?
Yes.
: I was pointing out that, given that Cortana mentions both the PoA *and*
: external access junction 4C, then Foe Hammer would know that the 'crash
: site' was the PoA's, even if she hadn't been told of the plan at some
: prior point.
I don't know enough about the English language if that is legal.
: Er, which part's that? To my knowledge it's Keyes that first suggests
: 'landing' on Halo, if that's what you mean...
I mean the automatic landing or trajectory program to get on Halo that Cortana leaves subroutines for.
: Well, Keyes didn't specifically say it, as I saw it. But he did imply it. As
: in: KEYES: " I want everyone at their station."
: CORTANA: "Everyone, sir?"
: KEYES: "Everyone. "
: Notice the pointed questioning tone (in the game) of Cortana's, 'Everyone,
: sir?'.
I forgot about that.
: Personally, I see this as implying an unsaid, "You mean the Master Chief
: as well?"
: It's doubtful that the Master Chief would be mentioned by name, since those
: new to Halo wouldn't know who he was at that particular point.
: If I'm right [wiggles hand - pulls face], it would be a good example of
: teasing implication though, just to make the 'reader' query the subtlety
: of the comment and then have to wait a few moments to find out what it
: really means.
I think so too.

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