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Re: ooooo!
Posted By: Narcogen <narcogen@rampancy.net>Date: 1/28/08 8:12 a.m.

In Response To: Re: ooooo! (scarab)


: Funny, I was thinking of Star Trek, Star Trek the Search for Spock in
: particular.

Ugh... that wasn't really meant as an invitation.

: The ST regulars all throw their careers away to go to the Genesis planet when
: all the available evidence suggests that Spocl's body burnt up in the
: atmosphere and that the solution to Bone's problem lay on Vulcan.

: What they didn't know was that going to Genesis was the correct thing to do.
: The audience knew it, the writers knew it. Its just that the characters
: didn't.

Actually Sarek does explain this but I believe the full scene was cut short; it is missing the acknowledgement of the transmission from the Grissom that Spock's tube was discovered intact on the Genesis surface.

: Nevertheless they did the right thing to resolve the story.

: Lazy Star Trek writing.

Actually the problem is that in order to reduce run time, the editor cut out a bit of dialogue that allowed two characters to share information that the audience already has.

It's slightly lazy- but again, you've really got to be anal retentive to let stuff like that bother you.

: I'm of the opinion that if you shoot someone with a gun in the final
: scene/chapter/act then you establish the existence of the gun in the first
: scene.

: Cortana brought the subject up with her comments about the apparent surprise
: to find us on Earth. So we've been pointed in this direction.

: To me, how they found earth isn't just a detail. Its an important detail. My
: idea of good craftmanship is how well the story hangs together: what do
: characters know, how do they know, when do they know. Do they act on
: information that is avialable to them, do they act in ways that are
: consistent with who they are, or do they do things because the story needs
: them to?

It is not important for the story. It's important for you to justify your opinion of the story: that it fails in attention to detail because this detail is missing. It's a self-fulfilling viewpoint that sets a standard most popular audiovisual media just don't meet.

There's lots of truly terrible trash out there that fails to establish why characters do what they do. Here the why is clearly established. The what is clearly established. The when is clearly established.

The answer to "how", as so many times in the realm of science fiction fantasy, is a collection of jargon.

: I don't believe that I am the only person who thinks like that.

: I'm probably acting in a way that is consistent with my nature :-)

: On the bright side. I'm glad I made the effort. I have found an answer to
: Cortana's question. Its nice that a comment made near the start of Halo 2
: fits with what we know in Halo 3 and in a book that mentions events that
: happened immediately prior to the Covenant holy war.

: If its real then it shows a degree of craftmanship in the story telling.

: OK, we know that the entire story wasn't planned out from the start. Maybe
: this matchup was just a great recovery by the Bungie team. Was it always
: the intention? Who knows?

Given that we now know that the Ark was moved from Earth to outside the galaxy between when H2 shipped and when H3 shipped, I think it's safe to say a lot of details changed-- there are lots of "recoveries" being made.

: But things like that interest me just as much as the actual story itself. How
: did the story telling evolve?

: Its not a question of did it evolve? We know it did. Its interesting to see
: if we can tell how it changed.

I, too, am very interested in the process of storytelling. I just think the evolution of Halo's characters and themes are more important than inconsistent dates and technology mumbo jumbo.

You ask a question like "how did the Covenant find Earth" and all you're ever going to get-- the only answer there can be-- is that either the Cole protocol was violated, or that the Covenant have a Forerunner device that assisted them in doing so. (CH strongly suggests this.)

The detail you're looking for DOES exist. All of these details cannot be crammed into the game. They're not relevant. They're not important enough. I'm listening to the CH audiobook now and it's absolutely positively crammed tight with details about mundane aspects of Covenant life that I find intriguing, but that you'd never get into any of the games-- most players just wouldn't stand for it, and it would only detract from the major themes.

Is "how did Regret find is way to Earth" the biggest question the Halo story poses to you?

If not-- what is?

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                 Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingserpx 1/25/08 7:04 p.m.
                       Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingStephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/25/08 7:22 p.m.
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                                               Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingIbeechu 1/26/08 10:09 a.m.
                                               Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingCorinthian 1/28/08 2:24 p.m.
                                                     Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingCthulhu117 1/30/08 11:42 a.m.
                             Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingreprobate 1/25/08 7:46 p.m.
                                   Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingSinisterSamurai 1/25/08 9:25 p.m.
                                         Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingreprobate 1/25/08 10:28 p.m.
                                               Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingNarcogen 1/26/08 12:22 a.m.
                                                     Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingRox 1/26/08 4:49 a.m.
                                                     Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingreprobate 1/26/08 5:31 a.m.
                                                           Re: Criticism of Bungie storytelling *SP*Narcogen 1/26/08 8:40 a.m.
                                                           Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingscarab 1/26/08 9:04 a.m.
                                                           Perhaps not...stan 1/26/08 11:20 a.m.
                                                     Wait a minute...stan 1/26/08 11:16 a.m.
                                                           Re: Wait a minute...Jillybean 1/27/08 10:37 a.m.
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                                                                                   Re: What happened to your trilogy?Jillybean 1/30/08 3:57 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: What happened to your trilogy?Simpsons Rule 1/30/08 8:59 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: What happened to your trilogy?Jillybean 1/30/08 12:48 p.m.
                                                     Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingCody Miller 1/27/08 10:35 a.m.
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                                                           Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingCorinthian 1/28/08 2:36 p.m.
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                                   Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingNarcogen 1/26/08 12:18 a.m.
                                         Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingreprobate 1/26/08 6:08 a.m.
                                               Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingNarcogen 1/26/08 8:43 a.m.
                                   That's not really all that important...stan 1/26/08 10:39 a.m.
                                         Re: That's not really all that important...scarab 1/26/08 11:42 a.m.
                                         Re: That's not really all that important...Narcogen 1/26/08 12:55 p.m.
                 Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingelpolloguapo 1/25/08 9:27 p.m.
                       Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingelpolloguapo 1/25/08 9:31 p.m.
     Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingPeptuck 1/25/08 9:38 p.m.
           Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingNarcogen 1/26/08 12:23 a.m.
           Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingscarab 1/26/08 5:00 a.m.
                 Doh! ignore ^^^^ *NM*scarab 1/26/08 5:01 a.m.
     Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingGravemind 1/25/08 9:49 p.m.
           Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingelpolloguapo 1/25/08 10:10 p.m.
                 RealizationDHalo 1/25/08 10:19 p.m.
                       Re: Realizationreprobate 1/25/08 10:37 p.m.
                       Re: RealizationRox 1/26/08 5:14 a.m.
                             Re: RealizationThe More Deluded 1/26/08 6:56 a.m.
                                   This seems a lil garbld reading back, bear with me *NM*The More Deluded 1/26/08 6:59 a.m.
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                             Hokey stories and ancient religions.Narcogen 1/26/08 12:59 p.m.
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                                               Re: Hokey stories and ancient religions.Louis Wu 1/26/08 2:01 p.m.
                                                     Re: Hokey stories and ancient religions.elpolloguapo 1/26/08 2:04 p.m.
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                                                           Re: Hokey stories and ancient religions.rhubarb 1/26/08 5:02 p.m.
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                                                                 Re: Hokey stories and ancient religions.elpolloguapo 1/26/08 5:49 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Hokey stories and ancient religions.Cthulhu117 1/26/08 5:57 p.m.
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                                                     Re: Hokey stories and ancient religions.Peptuck 1/26/08 3:24 p.m.
                                                           Re: Hokey stories and ancient religions.Cthulhu117 1/26/08 3:39 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Hokey stories and ancient religions.elpolloguapo 1/26/08 3:50 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Hokey stories and ancient religions.Narcogen 1/26/08 9:06 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Hokey stories and ancient religions.scarab 1/27/08 4:35 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Hokey stories and ancient religions.Gravemind 1/27/08 5:23 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Hokey stories and ancient religions.scarab 1/27/08 9:28 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Hokey stories and ancient religions.Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 1/27/08 9:50 a.m.
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                                                                             Re: Hokey stories and ancient religions.elpolloguapo 1/27/08 8:42 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Hokey stories and ancient religions.scarab 1/27/08 9:56 a.m.
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                                                                                               Re: Hokey stories and ancient religions.scarab 1/27/08 12:17 p.m.
                                                                                         ooooo!scarab 1/27/08 3:52 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: ooooo!scarab 1/27/08 3:55 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: ooooo!elpolloguapo 1/27/08 4:25 p.m.
                                                                                                     Gravemind all over again.Greatest Journey 1/27/08 9:30 p.m.
                                                                                                           Exactly what I was hinting at *NM*elpolloguapo 1/27/08 9:50 p.m.
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                                                                             Re: Hokey stories and ancient religions.Louis Wu 1/27/08 12:31 p.m.
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                                                                                         Re: Hokey stories and ancient religions.Louis Wu 1/27/08 3:32 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Hokey stories and ancient religions.elpolloguapo 1/27/08 3:42 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Hokey stories and ancient religions.scarab 1/27/08 4:06 p.m.
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                                                     Re: Hokey stories and ancient religions.Narcogen 1/27/08 11:22 p.m.
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                                         Re: Hokey stories and ancient religions.Corinthian 1/28/08 2:59 p.m.
                                   Re: Hokey stories and ancient religions.scarab 1/27/08 9:26 a.m.
                                         The criticism should be of the pop cultureJillybean 1/27/08 10:34 a.m.
                       Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingCthulhu117 1/26/08 3:31 p.m.
                             Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingelpolloguapo 1/26/08 4:00 p.m.
                                   Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingNarcogen 1/26/08 10:02 p.m.
                                         Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingelpolloguapo 1/26/08 10:16 p.m.
                             Jumps.Narcogen 1/26/08 9:28 p.m.
                                   Re: Jumps.Greatest Journey 1/26/08 10:09 p.m.
                                         Re: Jumps.Narcogen 1/26/08 10:15 p.m.
                                               Re: Jumps.elpolloguapo 1/26/08 10:33 p.m.
                                                     Re: Jumps.Louis Wu 1/27/08 8:54 a.m.
     The worst example is FloodgateBaratos 1/25/08 11:38 p.m.
           Re: The worst example is FloodgateNarcogen 1/26/08 12:31 a.m.
                 Re: The worst example is FloodgateDHalo 1/26/08 1:27 a.m.
                       Re: The worst example is FloodgateNarcogen 1/26/08 1:49 a.m.
                             Re: The worst example is FloodgateGravemind 1/26/08 2:19 a.m.
                                   Re: The worst example is FloodgateKanian 1/26/08 2:21 a.m.
                                         Beastarium *NM*scarab 1/26/08 5:23 a.m.
                                         Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/26/08 9:07 a.m.
                                   Re: The worst example is FloodgateNarcogen 1/26/08 3:53 a.m.
                             Re: The worst example is FloodgateSPARTAN-034 1/26/08 11:05 a.m.
                                   Re: The worst example is FloodgateThe More Deluded 1/26/08 12:13 p.m.
                                         Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/26/08 1:48 p.m.
                                               Re: The worst example is FloodgateThe More Deluded 1/26/08 5:42 p.m.
                                                     Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/26/08 5:55 p.m.
                                                           Re: The worst example is Floodgaterhubarb 1/26/08 6:01 p.m.
                                                                 Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/26/08 6:03 p.m.
                                                                       Re: The worst example is Floodgaterhubarb 1/26/08 6:08 p.m.
                                                                             Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/26/08 6:10 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: The worst example is Floodgaterhubarb 1/26/08 7:52 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/26/08 7:54 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: The worst example is Floodgaterhubarb 1/26/08 8:03 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/26/08 8:05 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: The worst example is Floodgaterhubarb 1/26/08 8:13 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/26/08 8:37 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: The worst example is FloodgateGravemind 1/26/08 9:54 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: The worst example is FloodgateSPARTAN-034 1/27/08 10:43 a.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/27/08 11:30 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: The worst example is FloodgateNarcogen 1/26/08 9:42 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/26/08 10:17 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: The worst example is Floodgaterhubarb 1/27/08 4:55 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: The worst example is Floodgatescarab 1/27/08 6:42 p.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: The worst example is Floodgaterhubarb 1/27/08 9:16 p.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/27/08 9:17 p.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: The worst example is Floodgaterhubarb 1/27/08 9:25 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: The worst example is FloodgateNarcogen 1/26/08 9:34 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/26/08 10:22 p.m.
                                                                                                           Flood nature.Narcogen 1/26/08 10:42 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Flood nature.elpolloguapo 1/27/08 8:30 a.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Flood nature.Louis Wu 1/27/08 8:59 a.m.
                                                                                                                             Zoology has destroyed my brainJillybean 1/27/08 10:48 a.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: Flood nature.elpolloguapo 1/27/08 11:08 a.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Flood nature.Narcogen 1/27/08 11:29 p.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: Flood nature.Gravemind 1/28/08 2:22 a.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: Flood nature.Narcogen 1/28/08 8:02 a.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: Flood nature.elpolloguapo 1/28/08 3:28 p.m.
                                                                                                                                               Re: Flood nature.Narcogen 1/28/08 8:06 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                     Re: Flood nature.elpolloguapo 1/28/08 9:23 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                           Re: Flood nature.Narcogen 1/28/08 11:38 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Flood nature.elpolloguapo 1/29/08 6:39 a.m.
                                                                                                                                                     Re: Flood nature.bedlam 1/29/08 11:04 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                           Re: Flood nature.Narcogen 1/30/08 2:57 a.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: Flood nature.elpolloguapo 1/28/08 3:18 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: The worst example is FloodgateNarcogen 1/26/08 9:31 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/26/08 10:24 p.m.
                                                                                               Flood Telepathy - Biological Robots?SPARTAN-034 1/27/08 11:24 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Flood Telepathy - Biological Robots?elpolloguapo 1/27/08 11:28 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Flood Telepathy - Biological Robots?Narcogen 1/27/08 11:37 p.m.
                                                                                   I wish I'd seen this earlierscarab 1/27/08 10:24 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: I wish I'd seen this earlierelpolloguapo 1/27/08 11:13 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: I wish I'd seen this earlierscarab 1/27/08 12:45 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: I wish I'd seen this earlierelpolloguapo 1/27/08 1:45 p.m.
                                                           Re: The worst example is FloodgateNarcogen 1/26/08 8:51 p.m.
                                                                 Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/26/08 10:25 p.m.
                                                                       That is a good questionscarab 1/27/08 10:42 a.m.
                                                                             Re: That is a good questionelpolloguapo 1/27/08 11:24 a.m.
                                                                             Re: That is a good questionNarcogen 1/27/08 11:41 p.m.
                                                                       Re: The worst example is FloodgateNarcogen 1/27/08 11:39 p.m.
                                                                             Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/28/08 3:31 p.m.
                       Re: The worst example is FloodgateGravemind 1/26/08 2:23 a.m.
                       Re: The worst example is FloodgateBlueNinja 1/26/08 4:34 a.m.
                 Re: The worst example is Floodgatescarab 1/26/08 5:21 a.m.
                       Re: The worst example is Floodgaterhubarb 1/26/08 3:19 p.m.
                             Re: The worst example is FloodgateCharley117 1/26/08 3:27 p.m.
                                   Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/26/08 3:41 p.m.
                                         Re: The worst example is FloodgateCharley117 1/26/08 3:49 p.m.
                                               Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/26/08 3:54 p.m.
                                                     Re: The worst example is FloodgateCharley117 1/26/08 4:02 p.m.
                                                           Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/26/08 4:09 p.m.
                                                                 Re: The worst example is FloodgateCharley117 1/26/08 4:18 p.m.
                                                                       Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/26/08 4:30 p.m.
                                                                 Re: The worst example is FloodgateCthulhu117 1/26/08 4:46 p.m.
                                                                       Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/26/08 5:52 p.m.
                                                                             Re: The worst example is FloodgateCthulhu117 1/26/08 5:59 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/26/08 6:02 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: The worst example is FloodgateLouis Wu 1/26/08 6:03 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/26/08 6:06 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: The worst example is FloodgateLouis Wu 1/26/08 6:16 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/26/08 7:04 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: The worst example is Floodgatebedlam 1/30/08 12:04 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/30/08 7:05 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: The worst example is FloodgateLouis Wu 1/30/08 7:35 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/30/08 10:10 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: The worst example is FloodgateDelicious Pie 1/30/08 10:19 a.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/30/08 11:05 a.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: The worst example is FloodgateGrimlock 1/30/08 1:41 p.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: The worst example is FloodgateLouis Wu 1/30/08 2:10 p.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/30/08 3:57 p.m.
                                                                                                                                               Re: The worst example is FloodgateLouis Wu 1/30/08 4:33 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                     Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/30/08 4:42 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                           Re: The worst example is FloodgateNarcogen 1/31/08 5:44 a.m.
                                                                                                                                                                 Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/31/08 6:33 a.m.
                                                                                                                                                                       Re: The worst example is FloodgateNarcogen 1/31/08 10:07 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                             Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 2/1/08 8:46 a.m.
                                                                                                                                                                                   Re: The worst example is FloodgateNarcogen 2/1/08 8:55 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                                         Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 2/1/08 9:09 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: The worst example is FloodgateCody Miller 1/30/08 12:30 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: The worst example is Floodgatebedlam 1/30/08 4:42 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/30/08 4:47 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: The worst example is FloodgateNarcogen 1/31/08 5:46 a.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: The worst example is Floodgatebedlam 2/1/08 1:24 a.m.
                                                                       Re: The worst example is FloodgateNarcogen 1/26/08 9:58 p.m.
                                                     Yeah that... *NM*rhubarb 1/26/08 5:47 p.m.
                                               Re: The worst example is Floodgaterhubarb 1/26/08 5:45 p.m.
                                                     Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/26/08 5:53 p.m.
                                                     Re: The worst example is FloodgateGravemind 1/26/08 6:47 p.m.
                                                           Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/26/08 7:00 p.m.
                                                                 Re: The worst example is FloodgateGravemind 1/26/08 7:51 p.m.
                                                                       Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/26/08 7:58 p.m.
                                                                             Re: The worst example is FloodgateGravemind 1/26/08 8:56 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/26/08 10:28 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: The worst example is FloodgateDarkendes 1/27/08 4:11 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/27/08 8:32 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: The worst example is FloodgateLouis Wu 1/27/08 9:02 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: The worst example is FloodgateGrimlock 1/27/08 9:38 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: The worst example is FloodgateLouis Wu 1/27/08 10:31 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Exactly *NM*elpolloguapo 1/27/08 11:09 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: The worst example is FloodgateNarcogen 1/27/08 11:45 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/28/08 3:14 p.m.
                                                                             Re: The worst example is Floodgatebedlam 1/30/08 12:24 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: The worst example is Floodgateelpolloguapo 1/30/08 7:08 a.m.
                                   Re: The worst example is FloodgateNarcogen 1/26/08 9:50 p.m.
           Re: The worst example is- Half-Life spoilersreprobate 1/26/08 6:41 a.m.
           Re: The worst example is FloodgateThe More Deluded 1/26/08 8:13 a.m.
           Types of immersionCody Miller 1/26/08 2:02 p.m.
                 Re: Types of immersionCharley117 1/26/08 3:25 p.m.
                       Re: Types of immersionelpolloguapo 1/26/08 3:56 p.m.
                             Re: Types of immersionCharley117 1/26/08 4:06 p.m.
                                   Random comment...Charley117 1/26/08 4:07 p.m.
                                         Re: Random comment...elpolloguapo 1/26/08 4:11 p.m.
                                               Re: Random comment...Charley117 1/26/08 4:19 p.m.
                                                     Re: Random comment...elpolloguapo 1/26/08 4:32 p.m.
                                                           Re: Random comment...Charley117 1/26/08 4:51 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Random comment...elpolloguapo 1/26/08 5:51 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Random comment...Narcogen 1/26/08 10:21 p.m.
                                   Re: Types of immersionRagashingo 1/27/08 3:13 a.m.
                       Re: Types of immersionCody Miller 1/26/08 8:57 p.m.
     Re: Criticism of Bungie storytellingCody Miller 1/26/08 3:29 a.m.
     Holy amazement...stan 1/26/08 5:57 p.m.
           Re: Holy amazement...elpolloguapo 1/26/08 6:03 p.m.
                 Re: Holy amazement...Louis Wu 1/26/08 6:04 p.m.
                       Re: Holy amazement...elpolloguapo 1/26/08 6:07 p.m.
     Now, see...Cthulhu117 1/26/08 6:03 p.m.
           Re: Now, see...Greatest Journey 1/26/08 7:31 p.m.
                 Re: Now, see...elpolloguapo 1/26/08 7:58 p.m.
                       Re: Now, see...Greatest Journey 1/26/08 9:42 p.m.
                       Re: Now, see...Grimlock 1/27/08 9:39 a.m.
     Here's why: there Are *NO* Establishing ShotsEpyon MX 1/27/08 3:43 p.m.
           Re: Here's why: there Are *NO* Establishing Shotselpolloguapo 1/27/08 3:50 p.m.
                 Re: Here's why: there Are *NO* Establishing ShotsEpyon MX 1/27/08 5:12 p.m.
                       Re: Here's why: there Are *NO* Establishing Shotselpolloguapo 1/27/08 6:08 p.m.
                       Re: Here's why: there Are *NO* Establishing ShotsOmega 1/27/08 6:08 p.m.
                             Excellent workEpyon MX 1/27/08 6:38 p.m.
                                   Re: Excellent workOmega 1/27/08 11:37 p.m.
           Re: Here's why: there Are *NO* Establishing ShotsStephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/27/08 4:44 p.m.
                 What I get for a belligerent tone :pEpyon MX 1/27/08 5:21 p.m.
                       Re: What I get for a belligerent tone :pelpolloguapo 1/27/08 6:04 p.m.
                       Re: What I get for a belligerent tone :pStephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/27/08 9:22 p.m.
     Has anyone EVER had 63 posts in one thread?!?!pooberry (Max Power) 1/27/08 5:16 p.m.
     "Look at point of interest"Red_Breast 1/27/08 6:10 p.m.
           Re: "Look at point of interest"elpolloguapo 1/27/08 7:26 p.m.
                 Re: "Look at point of interest"Cthulhu117 1/27/08 7:36 p.m.
                       Re: "Look at point of interest"elpolloguapo 1/27/08 8:08 p.m.
                             Wow, this must be the biggest thread here.. *NM*J23 1/28/08 3:34 p.m.
     Discovering the Halo Story: the meta-meta-gameCiarán 1/29/08 11:23 a.m.
           Wow.BlueNinja 1/29/08 2:21 p.m.
           AKA the best partelpolloguapo 1/29/08 2:59 p.m.
           Re: Discovering the Halo Story: the meta-meta-gameGrimlock 1/30/08 8:47 a.m.
                 Re: Discovering the Halo Story: the meta-meta-gameelpolloguapo 1/30/08 10:12 a.m.
                       Re: Discovering the Halo Story: the meta-meta-gameGrimlock 1/30/08 1:52 p.m.
                             Re: Discovering the Halo Story: the meta-meta-gameelpolloguapo 1/30/08 3:47 p.m.
                                   Re: Discovering the Halo Story: the meta-meta-gameInnerRayg 1/30/08 4:48 p.m.
                                         Re: Discovering the Halo Story: the meta-meta-gameGrimlock 1/30/08 9:57 p.m.
           Well-written!Leviathan 1/30/08 2:53 p.m.



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