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Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*

Posted By: Avateur <avateur@gmail.com> Date: 9/20/10 12:58 p.m.
In Response To: Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP* (thebruce0)

: But that's what I mean - what conflicts are there, in ONLY game content,
: between each game? As far as I understand it, everything's consistent -
: not necessarily with other external content/canon, but internally, anyone
: not exposed to any story content except the games, I believe, should
: really be confused.
The games are entirely consistent. The point is, I had no idea how this Cortana thing worked given what I knew about outside canon as well as those first lines of H1. I love the retcon with PoA being on Reach, but I couldn't figure out if I was actually delivering Cortana, or if Bungie was making it so that Cortana was really never on the PoA to start, or if I was delivering a piece of her, or what was going on. I would have found out when I read the journal, but not everyone is going to have that luxury, and thus they will be just as confused as I am if they try and take everything together like I did.
: Like, without any knowledge of AIs being split up, Halo 1 starts with the
: Chief and Cortana on the PoA apeparing from the midst of battle at the
: Halo, randomly.
: Reach leaves off with Cortana being taken to the PoA with coordinates for an
: important location, leaving Reach in the midst of battle. That seems
: consistent for me. Most gamers, especially those not interested in
: anything more than video game canon, wouldn't catch any tiny, minor
: inconsistencies anyway, because they're obviously not that interested in
: it.
It's extremely consistent once you throw out half of TFoR. And I've now done that and love what Bungie's done with the story. The point is, I shouldn't have had to go to another source to fix my confusion. If I had only been able to afford the Standard Edition, and if I didn't see a post at HBO explaining this to me, I'd have no clue about what just went on with Cortana in the game without going to Halopedia or some other outside source. So yes, it's perfectly fine and good story telling in terms of the game canon, but considering it's a video game prequel made some nine years after tons of info became available, it was absolutely initially confusing and didn't appear to try and reconcile that bit of canon at all (even while other parts were being thrown out, I couldn't just assume that half the novel was). Now that I know that half the novel was, I'm fine.
: IMO, the moment a player shows 'confusion' about a story, that person is
: likely more interested in it than just video game canon. But that's just
: MHO :)
Yep. I'm not one of the hardcore people who need everything in the games to be 100% on their own, with the books coming second. I feel that the books only come second as an addition to the video game canon. That's why I couldn't figure out if Cortana just had a retcon (we deliver her in her entirety to PoA), or if something else happened.

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I think we hold the books in too high a regard.	Riceatron	9/19/10 2:28 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Hawaiian Pig	9/19/10 2:41 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Riceatron	9/19/10 2:42 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 10:56 a.m.
SP in my post	Avateur	9/19/10 11:06 a.m.
Re: SP in my post	The BS Police	9/19/10 2:50 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	DHalo	9/19/10 2:54 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	scarab	9/19/10 2:56 p.m.
That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Avateur	9/19/10 4:23 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Louis Wu	9/19/10 5:31 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Hawaiian Pig	9/19/10 5:53 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Bry	9/19/10 5:56 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	The BS Police	9/19/10 6:11 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	thebruce0	9/20/10 10:10 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Avateur	9/19/10 8:16 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	thebruce0	9/20/10 10:07 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Avateur	9/20/10 11:03 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	thebruce0	9/20/10 12:40 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Avateur	9/20/10 12:58 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	thebruce0	9/20/10 1:08 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	kapowaz	9/20/10 5:53 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	thebruce0	9/20/10 10:14 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Bry	9/19/10 5:42 p.m.
I agree *SP	Injunfett	9/19/10 6:35 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	LionoftheMorning	9/20/10 5:12 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Bry	9/20/10 7:16 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	LionoftheMorning	9/20/10 8:31 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Bry	9/20/10 8:46 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	thebruce0	9/20/10 10:19 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Avateur	9/20/10 1:08 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 5:51 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Avateur	9/20/10 6:14 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	thebruce0	9/21/10 9:12 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Avateur	9/21/10 3:15 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	thebruce0	9/21/10 4:47 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Avateur	9/21/10 5:52 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	kapowaz	9/20/10 5:43 a.m.
Re: SP in my post	Hawaiian Pig	9/19/10 3:26 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	uberfoop	9/19/10 4:03 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	scarab	9/19/10 5:17 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	SonofMacPhisto	9/19/10 4:29 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	Bry	9/19/10 4:52 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 6:44 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	Avateur	9/19/10 4:33 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	LionoftheMorning	9/20/10 5:20 a.m.
Re: SP in my post	thebruce0	9/20/10 10:57 a.m.
Re: SP in my post	Avateur	9/20/10 11:05 a.m.
Re: SP in my post	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 5:56 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	thebruce0	9/21/10 9:15 a.m.
I agree wholeheartedly.	NobleSixActual	9/19/10 4:07 a.m.
Games > Novels	Riceatron	9/19/10 5:24 a.m.
Re: Games > Novels	YNation913	9/19/10 10:04 a.m.
Re: Games > Novels	Crab	9/19/10 4:13 p.m.
Re: Games > Novels	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 6:39 p.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	mattroe	9/19/10 5:37 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	NobleSixActual	9/19/10 5:47 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	scarab	9/19/10 5:57 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	mattroe	9/19/10 6:03 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 11:00 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Bry	9/19/10 11:13 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 11:19 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	dizzy	9/19/10 8:23 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Azo 'Galvat	9/19/10 8:28 a.m.
It's not just The Fall of Reach	The BS Police	9/19/10 2:46 p.m.
Re: It's not just The Fall of Reach	Eddy 071	9/19/10 4:05 p.m.
Re: It's not just The Fall of Reach	The BS Police	9/19/10 5:58 p.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Bry	9/19/10 9:28 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 11:05 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Jinno	9/19/10 11:35 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Quirel	9/19/10 11:37 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 1:14 p.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Xmoosev3	9/19/10 8:27 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	General Battuta	9/19/10 8:34 a.m.
It's all about consistency. SP	SPARTAN-034	9/19/10 8:37 a.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. SP	Bry	9/19/10 9:35 a.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. SP	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 10:53 a.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. SP	Bry	9/19/10 11:02 a.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. SP	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 11:14 a.m.
Well, duh.	Riceatron	9/19/10 12:51 p.m.
Re: Well, duh.	Bry	9/19/10 2:51 p.m.
Re: Well, duh.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 3:02 p.m.
Re: Well, duh.	Bry	9/19/10 3:37 p.m.
Re: Well, duh.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 6:28 p.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. SP	Azo 'Galvat	9/19/10 12:53 p.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. SP	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 1:21 p.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. SP	Bry	9/19/10 2:04 p.m.
'We'? Didn't know we had a hive mind.	Leviathan	9/19/10 10:21 a.m.
Re: 'We'? Didn't know we had a hive mind.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 11:08 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Kermit	9/19/10 11:12 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Bry	9/19/10 11:24 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 1:10 p.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Kermit	9/20/10 10:00 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 5:55 p.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Quirel	9/19/10 11:56 a.m.
Halo's just gotten too big for its britches	free	9/19/10 2:12 p.m.
It's outright carelessness.	Hawaiian Pig	9/19/10 3:46 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/19/10 4:22 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 6:34 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/19/10 6:44 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	free	9/19/10 4:30 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 6:47 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/19/10 6:54 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 6:59 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	free	9/19/10 7:35 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 9:52 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	YNation913	9/19/10 8:34 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 10:03 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/19/10 10:20 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	uberfoop	9/19/10 10:39 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 5:21 a.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/20/10 9:13 a.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 5:39 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/20/10 7:06 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 9:24 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/20/10 11:33 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Quirel	9/20/10 11:50 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	uberfoop	9/21/10 12:09 a.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/21/10 12:15 a.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/21/10 6:36 a.m.
This. NM	thebruce0	9/20/10 10:24 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	BanditORR	9/19/10 3:03 p.m.
A longer term fan's perspective	reprobate	9/19/10 8:54 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	dizzy	9/20/10 12:04 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Louis Wu	9/20/10 12:40 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	9/20/10 1:20 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Louis Wu	9/20/10 1:52 p.m.
A fair point. NM	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	9/20/10 2:06 p.m.
Re: A fair point.	The Loot	9/20/10 3:05 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Kermit	9/20/10 2:13 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	uberfoop	9/20/10 3:28 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	LionoftheMorning	9/20/10 2:33 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	dizzy	9/20/10 2:48 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	9/20/10 2:58 p.m.
Wait... what?	Louis Wu	9/20/10 3:53 p.m.
Re: Wait... what?	Leviathan	9/20/10 4:47 p.m.
Re: Wait... what?	dizzy	9/20/10 6:27 p.m.
Re: Wait... what?	Leviathan	9/20/10 6:44 p.m.
Re: Wait... what?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 6:44 p.m.
Re: Wait... what?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 6:50 p.m.
Re: Wait... what?	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	9/20/10 6:57 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Kermit	9/20/10 5:21 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Quirel	9/20/10 6:20 p.m.
I was talking to Stephen in-game.	Riceatron	9/19/10 10:04 p.m.
What I've learned from all this...	Gravemind	9/20/10 7:21 a.m.
I feel the same way. NM NM	LionoftheMorning	9/20/10 8:33 a.m.
Yep. This.	Hawaiian Pig	9/20/10 3:07 p.m.
Re: Yep. This.	LionoftheMorning	9/20/10 4:06 p.m.
No, you didn't.	Kermit	9/20/10 4:53 p.m.
Re: No, you didn't.	Gravemind	9/20/10 5:51 p.m.
Re: No, you didn't.	Quirel	9/20/10 6:00 p.m.