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Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard
Posted By: Quirel <I_am_quirel@hotmail.com>Date: 9/19/10 11:56 a.m.

In Response To: I think we hold the books in too high a regard. (Riceatron)


: Ghosts of Onyx.
: Contact Harvest.
: Evolutions.
: Cole Protocol.

: I like those. They're recent. They were written with the knowledge that we
: have NOW.

Quite honestly, if this so-called "Halo Bible" /really/ existed, if the universe was half as consistent as Bungie and Frankie keep telling us, retcons shouldn't be necessary.

Games overwrite books is all fine and good (Meaning that Palace Hotel in Evolutions was a waste of ~30 pages times ~50,000 books, but I've always said that) until you realize that there really is no reason to do so. Bungie could have easily have written a game that took place within the constraints of the novel.

Nylund busted his nads getting TFoR out, and his novels have been consistently good (Reaching levels of awesomeness never before seen with Cole and Halsey's Journal. As seen in Halsey's Journal, he's a master of Arc welding and joining old canon with the new, like Timothy Zahn is for the Star Wars EU.
By not including the Autumn and going with a different Final Objective, they could have preserved the events of TFoR.

: It is out dated and we need to quit saying OH HEY LETS CONFORM TO A BOOK
: WRITTEN WHEN WE HAD NOTHING BUT A SINGLE GAME.

: Really, guys.
: You don't hold a Star Wars novel written when Return of The Jedi was made to
: the same level of quality to one written last year.

So what's the shelf life of GoO, huh? When do we stop considering Contact Harvest to be canon? Four years? Six?

The Fall of Reach was re-released months ago, with updated content and a promise to fix the typos present in the original printing (Of course, the effort that went into THAT was about the same level of effort dedicated to the Halo Encyclopedia, thank you very much 343i) so /forgive me/ for hoping that they were still treating it as part of the universe.

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I think we hold the books in too high a regard.Riceatron 9/19/10 2:28 a.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardHawaiian Pig 9/19/10 2:41 a.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardRiceatron 9/19/10 2:42 a.m.
                 Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 10:56 a.m.
                       *SP in my post*Avateur 9/19/10 11:06 a.m.
                             Re: *SP in my post*The BS Police 9/19/10 2:50 p.m.
                                   Re: *SP in my post*DHalo 9/19/10 2:54 p.m.
                                   Re: *SP in my post*scarab 9/19/10 2:56 p.m.
                                         That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/19/10 4:23 p.m.
                                               Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Louis Wu 9/19/10 5:31 p.m.
                                                     Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Hawaiian Pig 9/19/10 5:53 p.m.
                                                           Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Bry 9/19/10 5:56 p.m.
                                                     Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*The BS Police 9/19/10 6:11 p.m.
                                                           Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/20/10 10:10 a.m.
                                                     Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/19/10 8:16 p.m.
                                                           Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/20/10 10:07 a.m.
                                                                 Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/20/10 11:03 a.m.
                                                                       Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/20/10 12:40 p.m.
                                                                             Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/20/10 12:58 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/20/10 1:08 p.m.
                                                     Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*kapowaz 9/20/10 5:53 a.m.
                                                           Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/20/10 10:14 a.m.
                                               Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Bry 9/19/10 5:42 p.m.
                                                     I agree *SPInjunfett 9/19/10 6:35 p.m.
                                                     Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*LionoftheMorning 9/20/10 5:12 a.m.
                                                           Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Bry 9/20/10 7:16 a.m.
                                                                 Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*LionoftheMorning 9/20/10 8:31 a.m.
                                                                       Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Bry 9/20/10 8:46 a.m.
                                                                             Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/20/10 10:19 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/20/10 1:08 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 5:51 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/20/10 6:14 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/21/10 9:12 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/21/10 3:15 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/21/10 4:47 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/21/10 5:52 p.m.
                                               Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*kapowaz 9/20/10 5:43 a.m.
                             Re: *SP in my post*Hawaiian Pig 9/19/10 3:26 p.m.
                                   Re: *SP in my post*uberfoop 9/19/10 4:03 p.m.
                                         Re: *SP in my post*scarab 9/19/10 5:17 p.m.
                                   Re: *SP in my post*SonofMacPhisto 9/19/10 4:29 p.m.
                                         Re: *SP in my post*Bry 9/19/10 4:52 p.m.
                                               Re: *SP in my post*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 6:44 p.m.
                                   Re: *SP in my post*Avateur 9/19/10 4:33 p.m.
                                         Re: *SP in my post*LionoftheMorning 9/20/10 5:20 a.m.
                                         Re: *SP in my post*thebruce0 9/20/10 10:57 a.m.
                                               Re: *SP in my post*Avateur 9/20/10 11:05 a.m.
                                               Re: *SP in my post*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 5:56 p.m.
                                                     Re: *SP in my post*thebruce0 9/21/10 9:15 a.m.
     I agree wholeheartedly.NobleSixActual 9/19/10 4:07 a.m.
           Games > NovelsRiceatron 9/19/10 5:24 a.m.
                 Re: Games > NovelsYNation913 9/19/10 10:04 a.m.
                 Re: Games > NovelsCrab 9/19/10 4:13 p.m.
                 Re: Games > NovelsStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 6:39 p.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardmattroe 9/19/10 5:37 a.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardNobleSixActual 9/19/10 5:47 a.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardscarab 9/19/10 5:57 a.m.
                 Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardmattroe 9/19/10 6:03 a.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 11:00 a.m.
                 Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardBry 9/19/10 11:13 a.m.
                       Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 11:19 a.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regarddizzy 9/19/10 8:23 a.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardAzo 'Galvat 9/19/10 8:28 a.m.
                 It's not just The Fall of ReachThe BS Police 9/19/10 2:46 p.m.
                       Re: It's not just The Fall of ReachEddy 071 9/19/10 4:05 p.m.
                             Re: It's not just The Fall of ReachThe BS Police 9/19/10 5:58 p.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardBry 9/19/10 9:28 a.m.
                 Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 11:05 a.m.
                       Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardJinno 9/19/10 11:35 a.m.
                             Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardQuirel 9/19/10 11:37 a.m.
                                   Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 1:14 p.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardXmoosev3 9/19/10 8:27 a.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardGeneral Battuta 9/19/10 8:34 a.m.
     It's all about consistency. *SP*SPARTAN-034 9/19/10 8:37 a.m.
           Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Bry 9/19/10 9:35 a.m.
                 Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 10:53 a.m.
                       Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Bry 9/19/10 11:02 a.m.
                             Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 11:14 a.m.
                             Well, duh.Riceatron 9/19/10 12:51 p.m.
                                   Re: Well, duh.Bry 9/19/10 2:51 p.m.
                                         Re: Well, duh.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 3:02 p.m.
                                               Re: Well, duh.Bry 9/19/10 3:37 p.m.
                                                     Re: Well, duh.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 6:28 p.m.
                 Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Azo 'Galvat 9/19/10 12:53 p.m.
                       Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 1:21 p.m.
                             Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Bry 9/19/10 2:04 p.m.
     'We'? Didn't know we had a hive mind.Leviathan 9/19/10 10:21 a.m.
           Re: 'We'? Didn't know we had a hive mind.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 11:08 a.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardKermit 9/19/10 11:12 a.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardBry 9/19/10 11:24 a.m.
                 Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 1:10 p.m.
                       Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardKermit 9/20/10 10:00 a.m.
                             Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 5:55 p.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardQuirel 9/19/10 11:56 a.m.
     Halo's just gotten too big for its britchesfree 9/19/10 2:12 p.m.
           It's outright carelessness.Hawaiian Pig 9/19/10 3:46 p.m.
                 Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/19/10 4:22 p.m.
                       Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 6:34 p.m.
                             Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/19/10 6:44 p.m.
                 Re: It's outright carelessness.free 9/19/10 4:30 p.m.
                       Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 6:47 p.m.
                             Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/19/10 6:54 p.m.
                                   Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 6:59 p.m.
                             Re: It's outright carelessness.free 9/19/10 7:35 p.m.
                                   Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 9:52 p.m.
                             Re: It's outright carelessness.YNation913 9/19/10 8:34 p.m.
                                   Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 10:03 p.m.
                                         Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/19/10 10:20 p.m.
                                               Re: It's outright carelessness.uberfoop 9/19/10 10:39 p.m.
                                               Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 5:21 a.m.
                                                     Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/20/10 9:13 a.m.
                                                           Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 5:39 p.m.
                                                                 Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/20/10 7:06 p.m.
                                                                       Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 9:24 p.m.
                                                                             Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/20/10 11:33 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: It's outright carelessness.Quirel 9/20/10 11:50 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: It's outright carelessness.uberfoop 9/21/10 12:09 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/21/10 12:15 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/21/10 6:36 a.m.
                       This. *NM*thebruce0 9/20/10 10:24 a.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardBanditORR 9/19/10 3:03 p.m.
     A longer term fan's perspectivereprobate 9/19/10 8:54 p.m.
           Re: A longer term fan's perspectivedizzy 9/20/10 12:04 p.m.
                 Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveLouis Wu 9/20/10 12:40 p.m.
                       Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/20/10 1:20 p.m.
                             Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveLouis Wu 9/20/10 1:52 p.m.
                                   A fair point. *NM*Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/20/10 2:06 p.m.
                                         Re: A fair point.The Loot 9/20/10 3:05 p.m.
                                   Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveKermit 9/20/10 2:13 p.m.
                                         Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveuberfoop 9/20/10 3:28 p.m.
                                   Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveLionoftheMorning 9/20/10 2:33 p.m.
                       Re: A longer term fan's perspectivedizzy 9/20/10 2:48 p.m.
                             Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/20/10 2:58 p.m.
                             Wait... what?Louis Wu 9/20/10 3:53 p.m.
                                   Re: Wait... what?Leviathan 9/20/10 4:47 p.m.
                                   Re: Wait... what?dizzy 9/20/10 6:27 p.m.
                                         Re: Wait... what?Leviathan 9/20/10 6:44 p.m.
                                         Re: Wait... what?Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 6:44 p.m.
                                         Re: Wait... what?Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 6:50 p.m.
                                               Re: Wait... what?Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/20/10 6:57 p.m.
                             Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveKermit 9/20/10 5:21 p.m.
                                   Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveQuirel 9/20/10 6:20 p.m.
     I was talking to Stephen in-game.Riceatron 9/19/10 10:04 p.m.
     What I've learned from all this...Gravemind 9/20/10 7:21 a.m.
           I feel the same way. *NM* *NM*LionoftheMorning 9/20/10 8:33 a.m.
           Yep. This.Hawaiian Pig 9/20/10 3:07 p.m.
                 Re: Yep. This.LionoftheMorning 9/20/10 4:06 p.m.
           No, you didn't.Kermit 9/20/10 4:53 p.m.
                 Re: No, you didn't.Gravemind 9/20/10 5:51 p.m.
                       Re: No, you didn't.Quirel 9/20/10 6:00 p.m.



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