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Re: *SP in my post*
Posted By: Avateur <avateur@gmail.com>Date: 9/19/10 4:33 p.m.

In Response To: Re: *SP in my post* (Hawaiian Pig)


: I think Stephen's point is that the games didnt need to contradict the
: canon we've been enjoying for 10 years. Honestly, no game up until Reach
: clashed so blatantly with the rest of the canon. It wouldn't be such an
: issue if it was something small like, say, Sgt. Stacker and Chips Dubbo
: somehow escaping Halo.

And I agree with that, but at the same time it was Bungie's universe and Microsoft didn't even let them name their game "Halo" without the "Combat Evolved" tacked on. I'm being an apologist here, but it was Bungie's creation and it was (obviously including Reach) theirs to do what they want with, and thus if they didn't want to follow whatever was in the novels (a Microsoft production, aside from Contact Harvest since it was written by Joe), it was their prerogative. So yeah, it sucks that they disrespected canon and just nuked TFoR novel in many places, but it was their series and that's all there is to it (even if it was completely unnecessary).

Either way, TFoR was badly inconsistent with Halo as it is now, what with Elites first being encountered there, no Brutes, no unexpected scrapping of half of H2, and so on. Maybe Bungie didn't like all the Spartans being up there in space battling. Maybe Bungie didn't want PoA in space and didn't much care about the novels. Yes, all of this could have been avoided if Bungie had just stuck to the canon set by the novels, but they had their own ideas and own story in mind. As for how well that story worked, that's another issue (that you and Cody and scarab and Schooly have covered well in how it succeeds and fails). I'm still gathering all my thoughts on Reach itself, give or take a few glaring issues.

As for canon, I've always placed the games ahead of the novels. As far as I'm concerned, half of First Strike never happened. Time traveling/warping/whatevering crystals. No thanks. Ghosts of Onyx and Contact Harvest rocked. The Flood just provided a bit more details about what all was going on around the ring. The Fall of Reach worked well as a set up to everything probably leading up to Reach, considering the games. If we take games as canon over everything else (which is what I do in a tiered aspect), then oh well about what was written ten years prior as a prelude to what would become one of the largest and most successful gaming franchises of all time. The universe expanded tons and things changed, and maybe Bungie just didn't like what used to be there.

Or they didn't care either way and just totally and blatantly glossed over it to make their own thing. So there you go. :P


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I think we hold the books in too high a regard.Riceatron 9/19/10 2:28 a.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardHawaiian Pig 9/19/10 2:41 a.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardRiceatron 9/19/10 2:42 a.m.
                 Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 10:56 a.m.
                       *SP in my post*Avateur 9/19/10 11:06 a.m.
                             Re: *SP in my post*The BS Police 9/19/10 2:50 p.m.
                                   Re: *SP in my post*DHalo 9/19/10 2:54 p.m.
                                   Re: *SP in my post*scarab 9/19/10 2:56 p.m.
                                         That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/19/10 4:23 p.m.
                                               Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Louis Wu 9/19/10 5:31 p.m.
                                                     Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Hawaiian Pig 9/19/10 5:53 p.m.
                                                           Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Bry 9/19/10 5:56 p.m.
                                                     Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*The BS Police 9/19/10 6:11 p.m.
                                                           Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/20/10 10:10 a.m.
                                                     Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/19/10 8:16 p.m.
                                                           Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/20/10 10:07 a.m.
                                                                 Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/20/10 11:03 a.m.
                                                                       Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/20/10 12:40 p.m.
                                                                             Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/20/10 12:58 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/20/10 1:08 p.m.
                                                     Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*kapowaz 9/20/10 5:53 a.m.
                                                           Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/20/10 10:14 a.m.
                                               Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Bry 9/19/10 5:42 p.m.
                                                     I agree *SPInjunfett 9/19/10 6:35 p.m.
                                                     Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*LionoftheMorning 9/20/10 5:12 a.m.
                                                           Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Bry 9/20/10 7:16 a.m.
                                                                 Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*LionoftheMorning 9/20/10 8:31 a.m.
                                                                       Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Bry 9/20/10 8:46 a.m.
                                                                             Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/20/10 10:19 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/20/10 1:08 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 5:51 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/20/10 6:14 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/21/10 9:12 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/21/10 3:15 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/21/10 4:47 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/21/10 5:52 p.m.
                                               Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*kapowaz 9/20/10 5:43 a.m.
                             Re: *SP in my post*Hawaiian Pig 9/19/10 3:26 p.m.
                                   Re: *SP in my post*uberfoop 9/19/10 4:03 p.m.
                                         Re: *SP in my post*scarab 9/19/10 5:17 p.m.
                                   Re: *SP in my post*SonofMacPhisto 9/19/10 4:29 p.m.
                                         Re: *SP in my post*Bry 9/19/10 4:52 p.m.
                                               Re: *SP in my post*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 6:44 p.m.
                                   Re: *SP in my post*Avateur 9/19/10 4:33 p.m.
                                         Re: *SP in my post*LionoftheMorning 9/20/10 5:20 a.m.
                                         Re: *SP in my post*thebruce0 9/20/10 10:57 a.m.
                                               Re: *SP in my post*Avateur 9/20/10 11:05 a.m.
                                               Re: *SP in my post*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 5:56 p.m.
                                                     Re: *SP in my post*thebruce0 9/21/10 9:15 a.m.
     I agree wholeheartedly.NobleSixActual 9/19/10 4:07 a.m.
           Games > NovelsRiceatron 9/19/10 5:24 a.m.
                 Re: Games > NovelsYNation913 9/19/10 10:04 a.m.
                 Re: Games > NovelsCrab 9/19/10 4:13 p.m.
                 Re: Games > NovelsStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 6:39 p.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardmattroe 9/19/10 5:37 a.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardNobleSixActual 9/19/10 5:47 a.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardscarab 9/19/10 5:57 a.m.
                 Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardmattroe 9/19/10 6:03 a.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 11:00 a.m.
                 Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardBry 9/19/10 11:13 a.m.
                       Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 11:19 a.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regarddizzy 9/19/10 8:23 a.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardAzo 'Galvat 9/19/10 8:28 a.m.
                 It's not just The Fall of ReachThe BS Police 9/19/10 2:46 p.m.
                       Re: It's not just The Fall of ReachEddy 071 9/19/10 4:05 p.m.
                             Re: It's not just The Fall of ReachThe BS Police 9/19/10 5:58 p.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardBry 9/19/10 9:28 a.m.
                 Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 11:05 a.m.
                       Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardJinno 9/19/10 11:35 a.m.
                             Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardQuirel 9/19/10 11:37 a.m.
                                   Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 1:14 p.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardXmoosev3 9/19/10 8:27 a.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardGeneral Battuta 9/19/10 8:34 a.m.
     It's all about consistency. *SP*SPARTAN-034 9/19/10 8:37 a.m.
           Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Bry 9/19/10 9:35 a.m.
                 Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 10:53 a.m.
                       Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Bry 9/19/10 11:02 a.m.
                             Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 11:14 a.m.
                             Well, duh.Riceatron 9/19/10 12:51 p.m.
                                   Re: Well, duh.Bry 9/19/10 2:51 p.m.
                                         Re: Well, duh.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 3:02 p.m.
                                               Re: Well, duh.Bry 9/19/10 3:37 p.m.
                                                     Re: Well, duh.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 6:28 p.m.
                 Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Azo 'Galvat 9/19/10 12:53 p.m.
                       Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 1:21 p.m.
                             Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Bry 9/19/10 2:04 p.m.
     'We'? Didn't know we had a hive mind.Leviathan 9/19/10 10:21 a.m.
           Re: 'We'? Didn't know we had a hive mind.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 11:08 a.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardKermit 9/19/10 11:12 a.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardBry 9/19/10 11:24 a.m.
                 Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 1:10 p.m.
                       Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardKermit 9/20/10 10:00 a.m.
                             Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 5:55 p.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardQuirel 9/19/10 11:56 a.m.
     Halo's just gotten too big for its britchesfree 9/19/10 2:12 p.m.
           It's outright carelessness.Hawaiian Pig 9/19/10 3:46 p.m.
                 Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/19/10 4:22 p.m.
                       Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 6:34 p.m.
                             Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/19/10 6:44 p.m.
                 Re: It's outright carelessness.free 9/19/10 4:30 p.m.
                       Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 6:47 p.m.
                             Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/19/10 6:54 p.m.
                                   Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 6:59 p.m.
                             Re: It's outright carelessness.free 9/19/10 7:35 p.m.
                                   Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 9:52 p.m.
                             Re: It's outright carelessness.YNation913 9/19/10 8:34 p.m.
                                   Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 10:03 p.m.
                                         Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/19/10 10:20 p.m.
                                               Re: It's outright carelessness.uberfoop 9/19/10 10:39 p.m.
                                               Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 5:21 a.m.
                                                     Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/20/10 9:13 a.m.
                                                           Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 5:39 p.m.
                                                                 Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/20/10 7:06 p.m.
                                                                       Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 9:24 p.m.
                                                                             Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/20/10 11:33 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: It's outright carelessness.Quirel 9/20/10 11:50 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: It's outright carelessness.uberfoop 9/21/10 12:09 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/21/10 12:15 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/21/10 6:36 a.m.
                       This. *NM*thebruce0 9/20/10 10:24 a.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardBanditORR 9/19/10 3:03 p.m.
     A longer term fan's perspectivereprobate 9/19/10 8:54 p.m.
           Re: A longer term fan's perspectivedizzy 9/20/10 12:04 p.m.
                 Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveLouis Wu 9/20/10 12:40 p.m.
                       Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/20/10 1:20 p.m.
                             Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveLouis Wu 9/20/10 1:52 p.m.
                                   A fair point. *NM*Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/20/10 2:06 p.m.
                                         Re: A fair point.The Loot 9/20/10 3:05 p.m.
                                   Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveKermit 9/20/10 2:13 p.m.
                                         Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveuberfoop 9/20/10 3:28 p.m.
                                   Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveLionoftheMorning 9/20/10 2:33 p.m.
                       Re: A longer term fan's perspectivedizzy 9/20/10 2:48 p.m.
                             Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/20/10 2:58 p.m.
                             Wait... what?Louis Wu 9/20/10 3:53 p.m.
                                   Re: Wait... what?Leviathan 9/20/10 4:47 p.m.
                                   Re: Wait... what?dizzy 9/20/10 6:27 p.m.
                                         Re: Wait... what?Leviathan 9/20/10 6:44 p.m.
                                         Re: Wait... what?Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 6:44 p.m.
                                         Re: Wait... what?Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 6:50 p.m.
                                               Re: Wait... what?Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/20/10 6:57 p.m.
                             Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveKermit 9/20/10 5:21 p.m.
                                   Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveQuirel 9/20/10 6:20 p.m.
     I was talking to Stephen in-game.Riceatron 9/19/10 10:04 p.m.
     What I've learned from all this...Gravemind 9/20/10 7:21 a.m.
           I feel the same way. *NM* *NM*LionoftheMorning 9/20/10 8:33 a.m.
           Yep. This.Hawaiian Pig 9/20/10 3:07 p.m.
                 Re: Yep. This.LionoftheMorning 9/20/10 4:06 p.m.
           No, you didn't.Kermit 9/20/10 4:53 p.m.
                 Re: No, you didn't.Gravemind 9/20/10 5:51 p.m.
                       Re: No, you didn't.Quirel 9/20/10 6:00 p.m.



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