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Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*
Posted By: Avateur <avateur@gmail.com>Date: 9/19/10 8:16 p.m.

In Response To: Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP* (Louis Wu)


: Oh, give me a break. This is getting stupid. You're mad because you have to
: read the Journal in order to reconcile what's in the first book? Either
: ignore the books altogether (in which case Reach makes fine sense on its
: own - the only problems are reconciling what you learned in older books
: with what happened in-game) or accept that there might be useful
: (important) info in ANY book. You don't get to pick and choose WHICH books
: you can read and know how it all fits together.

: tl;dr: The games are internally consistent. The universe is ALMOST internally
: consistent. Mixing the first with PART of the second leads to confusion.

I figured I'd get a reply like this after talking to DHalo about it. He said the same thing you did. My reply was that I either have to go based on the canon as a whole (and I view it as games first, novels second, and as we've seen the novels have been beaten up some by the games), or I have to go based on the games. So yeah, if I go based on the games then honestly everything works out fine. We never know just when Cortana met the Chief, and thus the exchange at the start of H1 works out perfectly.

Unfortunately, Reach is a prequel that comes nearly a decade after all of the info I already know. It's easy for me to drop the end of TFoR based on the obvious retcon in Reach where the PoA is on the planet with Master Chief in it and that's all there is to it. I don't have that luxury with trying to piece together if Cortana was already on PoA, if she was with Halsey the whole time and I was just delivering her to the PoA, or if what I delivered was some fragment or whatever without reading the journal. If I had read all the novels, played all the games, but didn't hang out at a place like HBO and/or couldn't afford Legendary, I'd still be lost trying to figure out just how Cortana fit into the story and canon of the game.

Now that I've been told what I have, I can easily disregard what was in the first book. Without the journal, I would have just assumed that Cortana was never on the PoA and met Master Chief somehow at a hypothetically previous point prior to Halo: Reach, Noble 6 having been the person who got her to the PoA to begin with. With the journal, assuming it can be looked at as the highest non-video game (written) form of Halo canon we have, I can absolutely disregard TFoR. Either way, I shouldn't have had to seek my answers online or in a journal I may not have been able to afford in order to make sense of the whole thing given what I already knew as a whole from the past nine years of Halo.


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I think we hold the books in too high a regard.Riceatron 9/19/10 2:28 a.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardHawaiian Pig 9/19/10 2:41 a.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardRiceatron 9/19/10 2:42 a.m.
                 Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 10:56 a.m.
                       *SP in my post*Avateur 9/19/10 11:06 a.m.
                             Re: *SP in my post*The BS Police 9/19/10 2:50 p.m.
                                   Re: *SP in my post*DHalo 9/19/10 2:54 p.m.
                                   Re: *SP in my post*scarab 9/19/10 2:56 p.m.
                                         That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/19/10 4:23 p.m.
                                               Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Louis Wu 9/19/10 5:31 p.m.
                                                     Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Hawaiian Pig 9/19/10 5:53 p.m.
                                                           Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Bry 9/19/10 5:56 p.m.
                                                     Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*The BS Police 9/19/10 6:11 p.m.
                                                           Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/20/10 10:10 a.m.
                                                     Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/19/10 8:16 p.m.
                                                           Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/20/10 10:07 a.m.
                                                                 Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/20/10 11:03 a.m.
                                                                       Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/20/10 12:40 p.m.
                                                                             Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/20/10 12:58 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/20/10 1:08 p.m.
                                                     Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*kapowaz 9/20/10 5:53 a.m.
                                                           Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/20/10 10:14 a.m.
                                               Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Bry 9/19/10 5:42 p.m.
                                                     I agree *SPInjunfett 9/19/10 6:35 p.m.
                                                     Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*LionoftheMorning 9/20/10 5:12 a.m.
                                                           Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Bry 9/20/10 7:16 a.m.
                                                                 Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*LionoftheMorning 9/20/10 8:31 a.m.
                                                                       Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Bry 9/20/10 8:46 a.m.
                                                                             Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/20/10 10:19 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/20/10 1:08 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 5:51 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/20/10 6:14 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/21/10 9:12 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/21/10 3:15 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/21/10 4:47 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/21/10 5:52 p.m.
                                               Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*kapowaz 9/20/10 5:43 a.m.
                             Re: *SP in my post*Hawaiian Pig 9/19/10 3:26 p.m.
                                   Re: *SP in my post*uberfoop 9/19/10 4:03 p.m.
                                         Re: *SP in my post*scarab 9/19/10 5:17 p.m.
                                   Re: *SP in my post*SonofMacPhisto 9/19/10 4:29 p.m.
                                         Re: *SP in my post*Bry 9/19/10 4:52 p.m.
                                               Re: *SP in my post*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 6:44 p.m.
                                   Re: *SP in my post*Avateur 9/19/10 4:33 p.m.
                                         Re: *SP in my post*LionoftheMorning 9/20/10 5:20 a.m.
                                         Re: *SP in my post*thebruce0 9/20/10 10:57 a.m.
                                               Re: *SP in my post*Avateur 9/20/10 11:05 a.m.
                                               Re: *SP in my post*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 5:56 p.m.
                                                     Re: *SP in my post*thebruce0 9/21/10 9:15 a.m.
     I agree wholeheartedly.NobleSixActual 9/19/10 4:07 a.m.
           Games > NovelsRiceatron 9/19/10 5:24 a.m.
                 Re: Games > NovelsYNation913 9/19/10 10:04 a.m.
                 Re: Games > NovelsCrab 9/19/10 4:13 p.m.
                 Re: Games > NovelsStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 6:39 p.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardmattroe 9/19/10 5:37 a.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardNobleSixActual 9/19/10 5:47 a.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardscarab 9/19/10 5:57 a.m.
                 Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardmattroe 9/19/10 6:03 a.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 11:00 a.m.
                 Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardBry 9/19/10 11:13 a.m.
                       Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 11:19 a.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regarddizzy 9/19/10 8:23 a.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardAzo 'Galvat 9/19/10 8:28 a.m.
                 It's not just The Fall of ReachThe BS Police 9/19/10 2:46 p.m.
                       Re: It's not just The Fall of ReachEddy 071 9/19/10 4:05 p.m.
                             Re: It's not just The Fall of ReachThe BS Police 9/19/10 5:58 p.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardBry 9/19/10 9:28 a.m.
                 Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 11:05 a.m.
                       Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardJinno 9/19/10 11:35 a.m.
                             Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardQuirel 9/19/10 11:37 a.m.
                                   Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 1:14 p.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardXmoosev3 9/19/10 8:27 a.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardGeneral Battuta 9/19/10 8:34 a.m.
     It's all about consistency. *SP*SPARTAN-034 9/19/10 8:37 a.m.
           Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Bry 9/19/10 9:35 a.m.
                 Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 10:53 a.m.
                       Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Bry 9/19/10 11:02 a.m.
                             Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 11:14 a.m.
                             Well, duh.Riceatron 9/19/10 12:51 p.m.
                                   Re: Well, duh.Bry 9/19/10 2:51 p.m.
                                         Re: Well, duh.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 3:02 p.m.
                                               Re: Well, duh.Bry 9/19/10 3:37 p.m.
                                                     Re: Well, duh.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 6:28 p.m.
                 Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Azo 'Galvat 9/19/10 12:53 p.m.
                       Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 1:21 p.m.
                             Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Bry 9/19/10 2:04 p.m.
     'We'? Didn't know we had a hive mind.Leviathan 9/19/10 10:21 a.m.
           Re: 'We'? Didn't know we had a hive mind.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 11:08 a.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardKermit 9/19/10 11:12 a.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardBry 9/19/10 11:24 a.m.
                 Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 1:10 p.m.
                       Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardKermit 9/20/10 10:00 a.m.
                             Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 5:55 p.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardQuirel 9/19/10 11:56 a.m.
     Halo's just gotten too big for its britchesfree 9/19/10 2:12 p.m.
           It's outright carelessness.Hawaiian Pig 9/19/10 3:46 p.m.
                 Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/19/10 4:22 p.m.
                       Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 6:34 p.m.
                             Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/19/10 6:44 p.m.
                 Re: It's outright carelessness.free 9/19/10 4:30 p.m.
                       Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 6:47 p.m.
                             Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/19/10 6:54 p.m.
                                   Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 6:59 p.m.
                             Re: It's outright carelessness.free 9/19/10 7:35 p.m.
                                   Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 9:52 p.m.
                             Re: It's outright carelessness.YNation913 9/19/10 8:34 p.m.
                                   Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 10:03 p.m.
                                         Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/19/10 10:20 p.m.
                                               Re: It's outright carelessness.uberfoop 9/19/10 10:39 p.m.
                                               Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 5:21 a.m.
                                                     Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/20/10 9:13 a.m.
                                                           Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 5:39 p.m.
                                                                 Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/20/10 7:06 p.m.
                                                                       Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 9:24 p.m.
                                                                             Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/20/10 11:33 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: It's outright carelessness.Quirel 9/20/10 11:50 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: It's outright carelessness.uberfoop 9/21/10 12:09 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/21/10 12:15 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/21/10 6:36 a.m.
                       This. *NM*thebruce0 9/20/10 10:24 a.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardBanditORR 9/19/10 3:03 p.m.
     A longer term fan's perspectivereprobate 9/19/10 8:54 p.m.
           Re: A longer term fan's perspectivedizzy 9/20/10 12:04 p.m.
                 Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveLouis Wu 9/20/10 12:40 p.m.
                       Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/20/10 1:20 p.m.
                             Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveLouis Wu 9/20/10 1:52 p.m.
                                   A fair point. *NM*Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/20/10 2:06 p.m.
                                         Re: A fair point.The Loot 9/20/10 3:05 p.m.
                                   Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveKermit 9/20/10 2:13 p.m.
                                         Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveuberfoop 9/20/10 3:28 p.m.
                                   Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveLionoftheMorning 9/20/10 2:33 p.m.
                       Re: A longer term fan's perspectivedizzy 9/20/10 2:48 p.m.
                             Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/20/10 2:58 p.m.
                             Wait... what?Louis Wu 9/20/10 3:53 p.m.
                                   Re: Wait... what?Leviathan 9/20/10 4:47 p.m.
                                   Re: Wait... what?dizzy 9/20/10 6:27 p.m.
                                         Re: Wait... what?Leviathan 9/20/10 6:44 p.m.
                                         Re: Wait... what?Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 6:44 p.m.
                                         Re: Wait... what?Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 6:50 p.m.
                                               Re: Wait... what?Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/20/10 6:57 p.m.
                             Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveKermit 9/20/10 5:21 p.m.
                                   Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveQuirel 9/20/10 6:20 p.m.
     I was talking to Stephen in-game.Riceatron 9/19/10 10:04 p.m.
     What I've learned from all this...Gravemind 9/20/10 7:21 a.m.
           I feel the same way. *NM* *NM*LionoftheMorning 9/20/10 8:33 a.m.
           Yep. This.Hawaiian Pig 9/20/10 3:07 p.m.
                 Re: Yep. This.LionoftheMorning 9/20/10 4:06 p.m.
           No, you didn't.Kermit 9/20/10 4:53 p.m.
                 Re: No, you didn't.Gravemind 9/20/10 5:51 p.m.
                       Re: No, you didn't.Quirel 9/20/10 6:00 p.m.



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