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Re: It's outright carelessness.

Posted By: Stephen L. (SoundEffect) <soundeffect@hotmail.com> Date: 9/19/10 6:47 p.m.
In Response To: Re: It's outright carelessness. (free)

: Yeah, I think we can probably put the worse from "for better or worse
: the novels are cannon" quote in all caps now. I guess they were more
: unhappy with some of Nylund's story elements than we thought.
: That bitter cannon trumping definitely happens though. It just did in the
: aforementioned Star Wars. I don't think George Lucas was very happy with
: some of the ideas presented in Karen Traviss' Republic Commando novels,
: and it looks like those are basically being retconned out of cannon by the
: animated kids show 'Clone Wars.' When they decided to bring Mandalorians
: into the show, the writers initially presented a script that incorporated
: the parts of the universe that Traviss invented, but GL asked for
: something else that ended up completely disregarding her novels.
: Its annoying any time previous works are retroactively changed, but its
: particularly painful when the original seems so much stronger. The Spartan
: II's, Keyes, and the MAC guns' last defense of Reach was probably my
: favorite part of Halo. Great story that really set a perfect emotional
: setting for the first game. Likewise, Karen Traviss' stories about the
: clone soldiers and Mandalorians was my favorite part of Star Wars. It
: always sucks to see your team lose, especially when its due to a bunch of
: bad calls by the officials.
: But again, I was never really expecting Reach to stay true to the novels to
: begin with.
If Bungie wants Reach to be the defining canon, then why can't we get a Fall of Reach rewrite to make this better? Why republish the novel virtually untouched along side the game now, knowing they can't be reconciled?
I'd prefer a rewrite of the novels so long as it make the universe consistent again. It's the inconsistency that's killin' me.

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I think we hold the books in too high a regard.	Riceatron	9/19/10 2:28 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Hawaiian Pig	9/19/10 2:41 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Riceatron	9/19/10 2:42 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 10:56 a.m.
SP in my post	Avateur	9/19/10 11:06 a.m.
Re: SP in my post	The BS Police	9/19/10 2:50 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	DHalo	9/19/10 2:54 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	scarab	9/19/10 2:56 p.m.
That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Avateur	9/19/10 4:23 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Louis Wu	9/19/10 5:31 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Hawaiian Pig	9/19/10 5:53 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Bry	9/19/10 5:56 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	The BS Police	9/19/10 6:11 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	thebruce0	9/20/10 10:10 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Avateur	9/19/10 8:16 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	thebruce0	9/20/10 10:07 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Avateur	9/20/10 11:03 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	thebruce0	9/20/10 12:40 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Avateur	9/20/10 12:58 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	thebruce0	9/20/10 1:08 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	kapowaz	9/20/10 5:53 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	thebruce0	9/20/10 10:14 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Bry	9/19/10 5:42 p.m.
I agree *SP	Injunfett	9/19/10 6:35 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	LionoftheMorning	9/20/10 5:12 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Bry	9/20/10 7:16 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	LionoftheMorning	9/20/10 8:31 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Bry	9/20/10 8:46 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	thebruce0	9/20/10 10:19 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Avateur	9/20/10 1:08 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 5:51 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Avateur	9/20/10 6:14 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	thebruce0	9/21/10 9:12 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Avateur	9/21/10 3:15 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	thebruce0	9/21/10 4:47 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Avateur	9/21/10 5:52 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	kapowaz	9/20/10 5:43 a.m.
Re: SP in my post	Hawaiian Pig	9/19/10 3:26 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	uberfoop	9/19/10 4:03 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	scarab	9/19/10 5:17 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	SonofMacPhisto	9/19/10 4:29 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	Bry	9/19/10 4:52 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 6:44 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	Avateur	9/19/10 4:33 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	LionoftheMorning	9/20/10 5:20 a.m.
Re: SP in my post	thebruce0	9/20/10 10:57 a.m.
Re: SP in my post	Avateur	9/20/10 11:05 a.m.
Re: SP in my post	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 5:56 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	thebruce0	9/21/10 9:15 a.m.
I agree wholeheartedly.	NobleSixActual	9/19/10 4:07 a.m.
Games > Novels	Riceatron	9/19/10 5:24 a.m.
Re: Games > Novels	YNation913	9/19/10 10:04 a.m.
Re: Games > Novels	Crab	9/19/10 4:13 p.m.
Re: Games > Novels	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 6:39 p.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	mattroe	9/19/10 5:37 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	NobleSixActual	9/19/10 5:47 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	scarab	9/19/10 5:57 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	mattroe	9/19/10 6:03 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 11:00 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Bry	9/19/10 11:13 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 11:19 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	dizzy	9/19/10 8:23 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Azo 'Galvat	9/19/10 8:28 a.m.
It's not just The Fall of Reach	The BS Police	9/19/10 2:46 p.m.
Re: It's not just The Fall of Reach	Eddy 071	9/19/10 4:05 p.m.
Re: It's not just The Fall of Reach	The BS Police	9/19/10 5:58 p.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Bry	9/19/10 9:28 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 11:05 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Jinno	9/19/10 11:35 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Quirel	9/19/10 11:37 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 1:14 p.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Xmoosev3	9/19/10 8:27 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	General Battuta	9/19/10 8:34 a.m.
It's all about consistency. SP	SPARTAN-034	9/19/10 8:37 a.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. SP	Bry	9/19/10 9:35 a.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. SP	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 10:53 a.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. SP	Bry	9/19/10 11:02 a.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. SP	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 11:14 a.m.
Well, duh.	Riceatron	9/19/10 12:51 p.m.
Re: Well, duh.	Bry	9/19/10 2:51 p.m.
Re: Well, duh.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 3:02 p.m.
Re: Well, duh.	Bry	9/19/10 3:37 p.m.
Re: Well, duh.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 6:28 p.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. SP	Azo 'Galvat	9/19/10 12:53 p.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. SP	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 1:21 p.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. SP	Bry	9/19/10 2:04 p.m.
'We'? Didn't know we had a hive mind.	Leviathan	9/19/10 10:21 a.m.
Re: 'We'? Didn't know we had a hive mind.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 11:08 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Kermit	9/19/10 11:12 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Bry	9/19/10 11:24 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 1:10 p.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Kermit	9/20/10 10:00 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 5:55 p.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Quirel	9/19/10 11:56 a.m.
Halo's just gotten too big for its britches	free	9/19/10 2:12 p.m.
It's outright carelessness.	Hawaiian Pig	9/19/10 3:46 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/19/10 4:22 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 6:34 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/19/10 6:44 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	free	9/19/10 4:30 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 6:47 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/19/10 6:54 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 6:59 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	free	9/19/10 7:35 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 9:52 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	YNation913	9/19/10 8:34 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 10:03 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/19/10 10:20 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	uberfoop	9/19/10 10:39 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 5:21 a.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/20/10 9:13 a.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 5:39 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/20/10 7:06 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 9:24 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/20/10 11:33 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Quirel	9/20/10 11:50 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	uberfoop	9/21/10 12:09 a.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/21/10 12:15 a.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/21/10 6:36 a.m.
This. NM	thebruce0	9/20/10 10:24 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	BanditORR	9/19/10 3:03 p.m.
A longer term fan's perspective	reprobate	9/19/10 8:54 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	dizzy	9/20/10 12:04 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Louis Wu	9/20/10 12:40 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	9/20/10 1:20 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Louis Wu	9/20/10 1:52 p.m.
A fair point. NM	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	9/20/10 2:06 p.m.
Re: A fair point.	The Loot	9/20/10 3:05 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Kermit	9/20/10 2:13 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	uberfoop	9/20/10 3:28 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	LionoftheMorning	9/20/10 2:33 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	dizzy	9/20/10 2:48 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	9/20/10 2:58 p.m.
Wait... what?	Louis Wu	9/20/10 3:53 p.m.
Re: Wait... what?	Leviathan	9/20/10 4:47 p.m.
Re: Wait... what?	dizzy	9/20/10 6:27 p.m.
Re: Wait... what?	Leviathan	9/20/10 6:44 p.m.
Re: Wait... what?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 6:44 p.m.
Re: Wait... what?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 6:50 p.m.
Re: Wait... what?	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	9/20/10 6:57 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Kermit	9/20/10 5:21 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Quirel	9/20/10 6:20 p.m.
I was talking to Stephen in-game.	Riceatron	9/19/10 10:04 p.m.
What I've learned from all this...	Gravemind	9/20/10 7:21 a.m.
I feel the same way. NM NM	LionoftheMorning	9/20/10 8:33 a.m.
Yep. This.	Hawaiian Pig	9/20/10 3:07 p.m.
Re: Yep. This.	LionoftheMorning	9/20/10 4:06 p.m.
No, you didn't.	Kermit	9/20/10 4:53 p.m.
Re: No, you didn't.	Gravemind	9/20/10 5:51 p.m.
Re: No, you didn't.	Quirel	9/20/10 6:00 p.m.