It's outright carelessness.





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It's outright carelessness.

Posted By: Hawaiian Pig Date: 9/19/10 3:46 p.m.
In Response To: Halo's just gotten too big for its britches (free)

: Bry made a good point about what a big Sci-Fi universe Halo has become.
: Initially, it was very easy to fit two games and a few books (probably up
: until GoO) together smoothly because that was literally all that had been
: released. The more elements that were added to each release after, the
: more discrepancies started to show up, especially when events and time
: periods that have already been touched upon are revisited. Video games
: tend to compound these all the more because the line between gameplay and
: story is always very blurry.
: I think for quite a while each author and creator made a whole-hearted effort
: to stay true to everything that came before them without sacrificing their
: own story's goals. At a certain point though, when someone is presented
: with a few dozen problems they'll have to retcon before they can get on
: with their job, they tend to say "Screw it, I've got a lot of work to
: do."
: I think we all knew what was coming as soon as Halo Reach was announced and
: we saw those silhouettes of the gundams - er, Spartan III's - in the
: trailer. Sad and frustrating, but not surprising in the least.
I'd stomach this if I believed it wasn't easy to work with the existing canon... but that's not true. All of these events that happened could have occurred with some simple changes. The SIIIs being SIIs, the PoA being up in orbit and meeting it up there, a few time frame adjustments. Mission structure could still be very much the same aside from the last mission.
The truth of the matter is that Bungie simply didn't care. These glaring omissions attest to that; and that is what's so sad. It's very difficult to stomach as a fan, and disappointing when you've spent the last 10 years enjoying this universe.
Many of us feel cheated.
From what I understand, they built some missions that were fun, and explained them away. Whoever was in charge of explaining them away did a bad job.
You know... I might have been ok with some of the massive retcons if what the existing canon has been replaced with wasn't absolutely boring. A disjointed plot, cardboard-cutout characters, and disregard for existing canon make for a very underwhelming fictional work. All the "atmosphere of a falling planet" and "scary covenant" in the world can't excuse those things.

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I think we hold the books in too high a regard.	Riceatron	9/19/10 2:28 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Hawaiian Pig	9/19/10 2:41 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Riceatron	9/19/10 2:42 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 10:56 a.m.
SP in my post	Avateur	9/19/10 11:06 a.m.
Re: SP in my post	The BS Police	9/19/10 2:50 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	DHalo	9/19/10 2:54 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	scarab	9/19/10 2:56 p.m.
That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Avateur	9/19/10 4:23 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Louis Wu	9/19/10 5:31 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Hawaiian Pig	9/19/10 5:53 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Bry	9/19/10 5:56 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	The BS Police	9/19/10 6:11 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	thebruce0	9/20/10 10:10 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Avateur	9/19/10 8:16 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	thebruce0	9/20/10 10:07 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Avateur	9/20/10 11:03 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	thebruce0	9/20/10 12:40 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Avateur	9/20/10 12:58 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	thebruce0	9/20/10 1:08 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	kapowaz	9/20/10 5:53 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	thebruce0	9/20/10 10:14 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Bry	9/19/10 5:42 p.m.
I agree *SP	Injunfett	9/19/10 6:35 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	LionoftheMorning	9/20/10 5:12 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Bry	9/20/10 7:16 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	LionoftheMorning	9/20/10 8:31 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Bry	9/20/10 8:46 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	thebruce0	9/20/10 10:19 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Avateur	9/20/10 1:08 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 5:51 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Avateur	9/20/10 6:14 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	thebruce0	9/21/10 9:12 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Avateur	9/21/10 3:15 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	thebruce0	9/21/10 4:47 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	Avateur	9/21/10 5:52 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint SP	kapowaz	9/20/10 5:43 a.m.
Re: SP in my post	Hawaiian Pig	9/19/10 3:26 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	uberfoop	9/19/10 4:03 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	scarab	9/19/10 5:17 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	SonofMacPhisto	9/19/10 4:29 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	Bry	9/19/10 4:52 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 6:44 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	Avateur	9/19/10 4:33 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	LionoftheMorning	9/20/10 5:20 a.m.
Re: SP in my post	thebruce0	9/20/10 10:57 a.m.
Re: SP in my post	Avateur	9/20/10 11:05 a.m.
Re: SP in my post	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 5:56 p.m.
Re: SP in my post	thebruce0	9/21/10 9:15 a.m.
I agree wholeheartedly.	NobleSixActual	9/19/10 4:07 a.m.
Games > Novels	Riceatron	9/19/10 5:24 a.m.
Re: Games > Novels	YNation913	9/19/10 10:04 a.m.
Re: Games > Novels	Crab	9/19/10 4:13 p.m.
Re: Games > Novels	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 6:39 p.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	mattroe	9/19/10 5:37 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	NobleSixActual	9/19/10 5:47 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	scarab	9/19/10 5:57 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	mattroe	9/19/10 6:03 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 11:00 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Bry	9/19/10 11:13 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 11:19 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	dizzy	9/19/10 8:23 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Azo 'Galvat	9/19/10 8:28 a.m.
It's not just The Fall of Reach	The BS Police	9/19/10 2:46 p.m.
Re: It's not just The Fall of Reach	Eddy 071	9/19/10 4:05 p.m.
Re: It's not just The Fall of Reach	The BS Police	9/19/10 5:58 p.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Bry	9/19/10 9:28 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 11:05 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Jinno	9/19/10 11:35 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Quirel	9/19/10 11:37 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 1:14 p.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Xmoosev3	9/19/10 8:27 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	General Battuta	9/19/10 8:34 a.m.
It's all about consistency. SP	SPARTAN-034	9/19/10 8:37 a.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. SP	Bry	9/19/10 9:35 a.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. SP	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 10:53 a.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. SP	Bry	9/19/10 11:02 a.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. SP	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 11:14 a.m.
Well, duh.	Riceatron	9/19/10 12:51 p.m.
Re: Well, duh.	Bry	9/19/10 2:51 p.m.
Re: Well, duh.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 3:02 p.m.
Re: Well, duh.	Bry	9/19/10 3:37 p.m.
Re: Well, duh.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 6:28 p.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. SP	Azo 'Galvat	9/19/10 12:53 p.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. SP	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 1:21 p.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. SP	Bry	9/19/10 2:04 p.m.
'We'? Didn't know we had a hive mind.	Leviathan	9/19/10 10:21 a.m.
Re: 'We'? Didn't know we had a hive mind.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 11:08 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Kermit	9/19/10 11:12 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Bry	9/19/10 11:24 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 1:10 p.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Kermit	9/20/10 10:00 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 5:55 p.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Quirel	9/19/10 11:56 a.m.
Halo's just gotten too big for its britches	free	9/19/10 2:12 p.m.
It's outright carelessness.	Hawaiian Pig	9/19/10 3:46 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/19/10 4:22 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 6:34 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/19/10 6:44 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	free	9/19/10 4:30 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 6:47 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/19/10 6:54 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 6:59 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	free	9/19/10 7:35 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 9:52 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	YNation913	9/19/10 8:34 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 10:03 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/19/10 10:20 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	uberfoop	9/19/10 10:39 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 5:21 a.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/20/10 9:13 a.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 5:39 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/20/10 7:06 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 9:24 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/20/10 11:33 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Quirel	9/20/10 11:50 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	uberfoop	9/21/10 12:09 a.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/21/10 12:15 a.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/21/10 6:36 a.m.
This. NM	thebruce0	9/20/10 10:24 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	BanditORR	9/19/10 3:03 p.m.
A longer term fan's perspective	reprobate	9/19/10 8:54 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	dizzy	9/20/10 12:04 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Louis Wu	9/20/10 12:40 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	9/20/10 1:20 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Louis Wu	9/20/10 1:52 p.m.
A fair point. NM	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	9/20/10 2:06 p.m.
Re: A fair point.	The Loot	9/20/10 3:05 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Kermit	9/20/10 2:13 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	uberfoop	9/20/10 3:28 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	LionoftheMorning	9/20/10 2:33 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	dizzy	9/20/10 2:48 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	9/20/10 2:58 p.m.
Wait... what?	Louis Wu	9/20/10 3:53 p.m.
Re: Wait... what?	Leviathan	9/20/10 4:47 p.m.
Re: Wait... what?	dizzy	9/20/10 6:27 p.m.
Re: Wait... what?	Leviathan	9/20/10 6:44 p.m.
Re: Wait... what?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 6:44 p.m.
Re: Wait... what?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 6:50 p.m.
Re: Wait... what?	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	9/20/10 6:57 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Kermit	9/20/10 5:21 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Quirel	9/20/10 6:20 p.m.
I was talking to Stephen in-game.	Riceatron	9/19/10 10:04 p.m.
What I've learned from all this...	Gravemind	9/20/10 7:21 a.m.
I feel the same way. NM NM	LionoftheMorning	9/20/10 8:33 a.m.
Yep. This.	Hawaiian Pig	9/20/10 3:07 p.m.
Re: Yep. This.	LionoftheMorning	9/20/10 4:06 p.m.
No, you didn't.	Kermit	9/20/10 4:53 p.m.
Re: No, you didn't.	Gravemind	9/20/10 5:51 p.m.
Re: No, you didn't.	Quirel	9/20/10 6:00 p.m.