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Re: It's outright carelessness.
Posted By: freeDate: 9/19/10 4:30 p.m.

In Response To: It's outright carelessness. (Hawaiian Pig)


: I'd stomach this if I believed it wasn't easy to work with the existing
: canon... but that's not true. All of these events that happened could have
: occurred with some simple changes. The SIIIs being SIIs, the PoA being up
: in orbit and meeting it up there, a few time frame adjustments. Mission
: structure could still be very much the same aside from the last mission.

: The truth of the matter is that Bungie simply didn't care . These glaring
: omissions attest to that; and that is what's so sad. It's very difficult
: to stomach as a fan, and disappointing when you've spent the last 10 years
: enjoying this universe.

: Many of us feel cheated.

: From what I understand, they built some missions that were fun, and explained
: them away. Whoever was in charge of explaining them away did a bad job.

: You know... I might have been ok with some of the massive retcons if what the
: existing canon has been replaced with wasn't absolutely boring . A
: disjointed plot, cardboard-cutout characters, and disregard for existing
: canon make for a very underwhelming fictional work. All the
: "atmosphere of a falling planet" and "scary covenant"
: in the world can't excuse those things.

Yeah, I think we can probably put the worse from "for better or worse the novels are cannon" quote in all caps now. I guess they were more unhappy with some of Nylund's story elements than we thought.

That bitter cannon trumping definitely happens though. It just did in the aforementioned Star Wars. I don't think George Lucas was very happy with some of the ideas presented in Karen Traviss' Republic Commando novels, and it looks like those are basically being retconned out of cannon by the animated kids show 'Clone Wars.' When they decided to bring Mandalorians into the show, the writers initially presented a script that incorporated the parts of the universe that Traviss invented, but GL asked for something else that ended up completely disregarding her novels.

Its annoying any time previous works are retroactively changed, but its particularly painful when the original seems so much stronger. The Spartan II's, Keyes, and the MAC guns' last defense of Reach was probably my favorite part of Halo. Great story that really set a perfect emotional setting for the first game. Likewise, Karen Traviss' stories about the clone soldiers and Mandalorians was my favorite part of Star Wars. It always sucks to see your team lose, especially when its due to a bunch of bad calls by the officials.

But again, I was never really expecting Reach to stay true to the novels to begin with.

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I think we hold the books in too high a regard.Riceatron 9/19/10 2:28 a.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardHawaiian Pig 9/19/10 2:41 a.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardRiceatron 9/19/10 2:42 a.m.
                 Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 10:56 a.m.
                       *SP in my post*Avateur 9/19/10 11:06 a.m.
                             Re: *SP in my post*The BS Police 9/19/10 2:50 p.m.
                                   Re: *SP in my post*DHalo 9/19/10 2:54 p.m.
                                   Re: *SP in my post*scarab 9/19/10 2:56 p.m.
                                         That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/19/10 4:23 p.m.
                                               Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Louis Wu 9/19/10 5:31 p.m.
                                                     Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Hawaiian Pig 9/19/10 5:53 p.m.
                                                           Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Bry 9/19/10 5:56 p.m.
                                                     Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*The BS Police 9/19/10 6:11 p.m.
                                                           Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/20/10 10:10 a.m.
                                                     Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/19/10 8:16 p.m.
                                                           Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/20/10 10:07 a.m.
                                                                 Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/20/10 11:03 a.m.
                                                                       Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/20/10 12:40 p.m.
                                                                             Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/20/10 12:58 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/20/10 1:08 p.m.
                                                     Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*kapowaz 9/20/10 5:53 a.m.
                                                           Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/20/10 10:14 a.m.
                                               Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Bry 9/19/10 5:42 p.m.
                                                     I agree *SPInjunfett 9/19/10 6:35 p.m.
                                                     Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*LionoftheMorning 9/20/10 5:12 a.m.
                                                           Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Bry 9/20/10 7:16 a.m.
                                                                 Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*LionoftheMorning 9/20/10 8:31 a.m.
                                                                       Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Bry 9/20/10 8:46 a.m.
                                                                             Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/20/10 10:19 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/20/10 1:08 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 5:51 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/20/10 6:14 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/21/10 9:12 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/21/10 3:15 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*thebruce0 9/21/10 4:47 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*Avateur 9/21/10 5:52 p.m.
                                               Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*kapowaz 9/20/10 5:43 a.m.
                             Re: *SP in my post*Hawaiian Pig 9/19/10 3:26 p.m.
                                   Re: *SP in my post*uberfoop 9/19/10 4:03 p.m.
                                         Re: *SP in my post*scarab 9/19/10 5:17 p.m.
                                   Re: *SP in my post*SonofMacPhisto 9/19/10 4:29 p.m.
                                         Re: *SP in my post*Bry 9/19/10 4:52 p.m.
                                               Re: *SP in my post*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 6:44 p.m.
                                   Re: *SP in my post*Avateur 9/19/10 4:33 p.m.
                                         Re: *SP in my post*LionoftheMorning 9/20/10 5:20 a.m.
                                         Re: *SP in my post*thebruce0 9/20/10 10:57 a.m.
                                               Re: *SP in my post*Avateur 9/20/10 11:05 a.m.
                                               Re: *SP in my post*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 5:56 p.m.
                                                     Re: *SP in my post*thebruce0 9/21/10 9:15 a.m.
     I agree wholeheartedly.NobleSixActual 9/19/10 4:07 a.m.
           Games > NovelsRiceatron 9/19/10 5:24 a.m.
                 Re: Games > NovelsYNation913 9/19/10 10:04 a.m.
                 Re: Games > NovelsCrab 9/19/10 4:13 p.m.
                 Re: Games > NovelsStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 6:39 p.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardmattroe 9/19/10 5:37 a.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardNobleSixActual 9/19/10 5:47 a.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardscarab 9/19/10 5:57 a.m.
                 Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardmattroe 9/19/10 6:03 a.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 11:00 a.m.
                 Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardBry 9/19/10 11:13 a.m.
                       Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 11:19 a.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regarddizzy 9/19/10 8:23 a.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardAzo 'Galvat 9/19/10 8:28 a.m.
                 It's not just The Fall of ReachThe BS Police 9/19/10 2:46 p.m.
                       Re: It's not just The Fall of ReachEddy 071 9/19/10 4:05 p.m.
                             Re: It's not just The Fall of ReachThe BS Police 9/19/10 5:58 p.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardBry 9/19/10 9:28 a.m.
                 Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 11:05 a.m.
                       Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardJinno 9/19/10 11:35 a.m.
                             Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardQuirel 9/19/10 11:37 a.m.
                                   Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 1:14 p.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardXmoosev3 9/19/10 8:27 a.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardGeneral Battuta 9/19/10 8:34 a.m.
     It's all about consistency. *SP*SPARTAN-034 9/19/10 8:37 a.m.
           Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Bry 9/19/10 9:35 a.m.
                 Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 10:53 a.m.
                       Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Bry 9/19/10 11:02 a.m.
                             Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 11:14 a.m.
                             Well, duh.Riceatron 9/19/10 12:51 p.m.
                                   Re: Well, duh.Bry 9/19/10 2:51 p.m.
                                         Re: Well, duh.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 3:02 p.m.
                                               Re: Well, duh.Bry 9/19/10 3:37 p.m.
                                                     Re: Well, duh.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 6:28 p.m.
                 Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Azo 'Galvat 9/19/10 12:53 p.m.
                       Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 1:21 p.m.
                             Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*Bry 9/19/10 2:04 p.m.
     'We'? Didn't know we had a hive mind.Leviathan 9/19/10 10:21 a.m.
           Re: 'We'? Didn't know we had a hive mind.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 11:08 a.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardKermit 9/19/10 11:12 a.m.
           Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardBry 9/19/10 11:24 a.m.
                 Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 1:10 p.m.
                       Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardKermit 9/20/10 10:00 a.m.
                             Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 5:55 p.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardQuirel 9/19/10 11:56 a.m.
     Halo's just gotten too big for its britchesfree 9/19/10 2:12 p.m.
           It's outright carelessness.Hawaiian Pig 9/19/10 3:46 p.m.
                 Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/19/10 4:22 p.m.
                       Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 6:34 p.m.
                             Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/19/10 6:44 p.m.
                 Re: It's outright carelessness.free 9/19/10 4:30 p.m.
                       Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 6:47 p.m.
                             Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/19/10 6:54 p.m.
                                   Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 6:59 p.m.
                             Re: It's outright carelessness.free 9/19/10 7:35 p.m.
                                   Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 9:52 p.m.
                             Re: It's outright carelessness.YNation913 9/19/10 8:34 p.m.
                                   Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/10 10:03 p.m.
                                         Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/19/10 10:20 p.m.
                                               Re: It's outright carelessness.uberfoop 9/19/10 10:39 p.m.
                                               Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 5:21 a.m.
                                                     Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/20/10 9:13 a.m.
                                                           Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 5:39 p.m.
                                                                 Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/20/10 7:06 p.m.
                                                                       Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 9:24 p.m.
                                                                             Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/20/10 11:33 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: It's outright carelessness.Quirel 9/20/10 11:50 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: It's outright carelessness.uberfoop 9/21/10 12:09 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: It's outright carelessness.Bry 9/21/10 12:15 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: It's outright carelessness.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/21/10 6:36 a.m.
                       This. *NM*thebruce0 9/20/10 10:24 a.m.
     Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regardBanditORR 9/19/10 3:03 p.m.
     A longer term fan's perspectivereprobate 9/19/10 8:54 p.m.
           Re: A longer term fan's perspectivedizzy 9/20/10 12:04 p.m.
                 Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveLouis Wu 9/20/10 12:40 p.m.
                       Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/20/10 1:20 p.m.
                             Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveLouis Wu 9/20/10 1:52 p.m.
                                   A fair point. *NM*Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/20/10 2:06 p.m.
                                         Re: A fair point.The Loot 9/20/10 3:05 p.m.
                                   Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveKermit 9/20/10 2:13 p.m.
                                         Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveuberfoop 9/20/10 3:28 p.m.
                                   Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveLionoftheMorning 9/20/10 2:33 p.m.
                       Re: A longer term fan's perspectivedizzy 9/20/10 2:48 p.m.
                             Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/20/10 2:58 p.m.
                             Wait... what?Louis Wu 9/20/10 3:53 p.m.
                                   Re: Wait... what?Leviathan 9/20/10 4:47 p.m.
                                   Re: Wait... what?dizzy 9/20/10 6:27 p.m.
                                         Re: Wait... what?Leviathan 9/20/10 6:44 p.m.
                                         Re: Wait... what?Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 6:44 p.m.
                                         Re: Wait... what?Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/10 6:50 p.m.
                                               Re: Wait... what?Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/20/10 6:57 p.m.
                             Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveKermit 9/20/10 5:21 p.m.
                                   Re: A longer term fan's perspectiveQuirel 9/20/10 6:20 p.m.
     I was talking to Stephen in-game.Riceatron 9/19/10 10:04 p.m.
     What I've learned from all this...Gravemind 9/20/10 7:21 a.m.
           I feel the same way. *NM* *NM*LionoftheMorning 9/20/10 8:33 a.m.
           Yep. This.Hawaiian Pig 9/20/10 3:07 p.m.
                 Re: Yep. This.LionoftheMorning 9/20/10 4:06 p.m.
           No, you didn't.Kermit 9/20/10 4:53 p.m.
                 Re: No, you didn't.Gravemind 9/20/10 5:51 p.m.
                       Re: No, you didn't.Quirel 9/20/10 6:00 p.m.



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