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Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard
Posted By: Bry <bmulheran@gmail.com>	Date: 9/19/10 11:13 a.m.
In Response To: Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard (Stephen L. (SoundEffect)) : That's the entire point in my opinion. It's a universe. They way we see it is : through different mediums: games, novels, anime, comics. : Still the same universe. It should not contradict itself. All the information : we're arguing over isn't fan fiction it's canonical sources. The fact that : there are degrees of canon sources says that proper care wasn't exercised : in the beginning to keep the overall history consistent. And that's sad. Sad, but hardly unique, especially in a large sci-fi universe. Enough of a problem in Star Wars that Lucas Licensing has been hugely involved in communicating with the fans on the very subject, creating the 'holocron' with its 5 levels of canon. Mass Effect is no better off. For all its detail in a universe and how well thought out it is, incorporating significant player choices and their effect on that universe means every Mass Effect game is, in essence, fan fiction. However, there are novels and they cannot adhere to ever players game, thus there is a 'definitive' canon portrayed in the novels, where Anderson is not a member of the council etc. By comparison, Halo has it easy when it comes to fans wanting to talk about the universe! But with Halo, of course there wasn't proper care exercised at the beginning. No one knew it would be so successful, spawn best selling novels, comics etc. It could just as easily have been a massive flop. Just the cards we are dealt with. Its perhaps optimistic to hope that Halo would have really been better planned out than Star Wars, especially with video game development being what it is.

Message Index

I think we hold the books in too high a regard.	Riceatron	9/19/10 2:28 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Hawaiian Pig	9/19/10 2:41 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Riceatron	9/19/10 2:42 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 10:56 a.m.
*SP in my post*	Avateur	9/19/10 11:06 a.m.
Re: *SP in my post*	The BS Police	9/19/10 2:50 p.m.
Re: *SP in my post*	DHalo	9/19/10 2:54 p.m.
Re: *SP in my post*	scarab	9/19/10 2:56 p.m.
That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	Avateur	9/19/10 4:23 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	Louis Wu	9/19/10 5:31 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	Hawaiian Pig	9/19/10 5:53 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	Bry	9/19/10 5:56 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	The BS Police	9/19/10 6:11 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	thebruce0	9/20/10 10:10 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	Avateur	9/19/10 8:16 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	thebruce0	9/20/10 10:07 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	Avateur	9/20/10 11:03 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	thebruce0	9/20/10 12:40 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	Avateur	9/20/10 12:58 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	thebruce0	9/20/10 1:08 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	kapowaz	9/20/10 5:53 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	thebruce0	9/20/10 10:14 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	Bry	9/19/10 5:42 p.m.
I agree *SP	Injunfett	9/19/10 6:35 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	LionoftheMorning	9/20/10 5:12 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	Bry	9/20/10 7:16 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	LionoftheMorning	9/20/10 8:31 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	Bry	9/20/10 8:46 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	thebruce0	9/20/10 10:19 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	Avateur	9/20/10 1:08 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 5:51 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	Avateur	9/20/10 6:14 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	thebruce0	9/21/10 9:12 a.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	Avateur	9/21/10 3:15 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	thebruce0	9/21/10 4:47 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	Avateur	9/21/10 5:52 p.m.
Re: That's stupid from a gaming standpoint *SP*	kapowaz	9/20/10 5:43 a.m.
Re: *SP in my post*	Hawaiian Pig	9/19/10 3:26 p.m.
Re: *SP in my post*	uberfoop	9/19/10 4:03 p.m.
Re: *SP in my post*	scarab	9/19/10 5:17 p.m.
Re: *SP in my post*	SonofMacPhisto	9/19/10 4:29 p.m.
Re: *SP in my post*	Bry	9/19/10 4:52 p.m.
Re: *SP in my post*	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 6:44 p.m.
Re: *SP in my post*	Avateur	9/19/10 4:33 p.m.
Re: *SP in my post*	LionoftheMorning	9/20/10 5:20 a.m.
Re: *SP in my post*	thebruce0	9/20/10 10:57 a.m.
Re: *SP in my post*	Avateur	9/20/10 11:05 a.m.
Re: *SP in my post*	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 5:56 p.m.
Re: *SP in my post*	thebruce0	9/21/10 9:15 a.m.
I agree wholeheartedly.	NobleSixActual	9/19/10 4:07 a.m.
Games > Novels	Riceatron	9/19/10 5:24 a.m.
Re: Games > Novels	YNation913	9/19/10 10:04 a.m.
Re: Games > Novels	Crab	9/19/10 4:13 p.m.
Re: Games > Novels	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 6:39 p.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	mattroe	9/19/10 5:37 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	NobleSixActual	9/19/10 5:47 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	scarab	9/19/10 5:57 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	mattroe	9/19/10 6:03 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 11:00 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Bry	9/19/10 11:13 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 11:19 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	dizzy	9/19/10 8:23 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Azo 'Galvat	9/19/10 8:28 a.m.
It's not just The Fall of Reach	The BS Police	9/19/10 2:46 p.m.
Re: It's not just The Fall of Reach	Eddy 071	9/19/10 4:05 p.m.
Re: It's not just The Fall of Reach	The BS Police	9/19/10 5:58 p.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Bry	9/19/10 9:28 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 11:05 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Jinno	9/19/10 11:35 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Quirel	9/19/10 11:37 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 1:14 p.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Xmoosev3	9/19/10 8:27 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	General Battuta	9/19/10 8:34 a.m.
It's all about consistency. *SP*	SPARTAN-034	9/19/10 8:37 a.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*	Bry	9/19/10 9:35 a.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 10:53 a.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*	Bry	9/19/10 11:02 a.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 11:14 a.m.
Well, duh.	Riceatron	9/19/10 12:51 p.m.
Re: Well, duh.	Bry	9/19/10 2:51 p.m.
Re: Well, duh.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 3:02 p.m.
Re: Well, duh.	Bry	9/19/10 3:37 p.m.
Re: Well, duh.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 6:28 p.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*	Azo 'Galvat	9/19/10 12:53 p.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 1:21 p.m.
Re: It's all about consistency. *SP*	Bry	9/19/10 2:04 p.m.
'We'? Didn't know we had a hive mind.	Leviathan	9/19/10 10:21 a.m.
Re: 'We'? Didn't know we had a hive mind.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 11:08 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Kermit	9/19/10 11:12 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Bry	9/19/10 11:24 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 1:10 p.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Kermit	9/20/10 10:00 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 5:55 p.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	Quirel	9/19/10 11:56 a.m.
Halo's just gotten too big for its britches	free	9/19/10 2:12 p.m.
It's outright carelessness.	Hawaiian Pig	9/19/10 3:46 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/19/10 4:22 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 6:34 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/19/10 6:44 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	free	9/19/10 4:30 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 6:47 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/19/10 6:54 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 6:59 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	free	9/19/10 7:35 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 9:52 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	YNation913	9/19/10 8:34 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/19/10 10:03 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/19/10 10:20 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	uberfoop	9/19/10 10:39 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 5:21 a.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/20/10 9:13 a.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 5:39 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/20/10 7:06 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 9:24 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/20/10 11:33 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Quirel	9/20/10 11:50 p.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	uberfoop	9/21/10 12:09 a.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Bry	9/21/10 12:15 a.m.
Re: It's outright carelessness.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/21/10 6:36 a.m.
This. *NM*	thebruce0	9/20/10 10:24 a.m.
Re: I think we hold the books in too high a regard	BanditORR	9/19/10 3:03 p.m.
A longer term fan's perspective	reprobate	9/19/10 8:54 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	dizzy	9/20/10 12:04 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Louis Wu	9/20/10 12:40 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	9/20/10 1:20 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Louis Wu	9/20/10 1:52 p.m.
A fair point. *NM*	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	9/20/10 2:06 p.m.
Re: A fair point.	The Loot	9/20/10 3:05 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Kermit	9/20/10 2:13 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	uberfoop	9/20/10 3:28 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	LionoftheMorning	9/20/10 2:33 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	dizzy	9/20/10 2:48 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	9/20/10 2:58 p.m.
Wait... what?	Louis Wu	9/20/10 3:53 p.m.
Re: Wait... what?	Leviathan	9/20/10 4:47 p.m.
Re: Wait... what?	dizzy	9/20/10 6:27 p.m.
Re: Wait... what?	Leviathan	9/20/10 6:44 p.m.
Re: Wait... what?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 6:44 p.m.
Re: Wait... what?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	9/20/10 6:50 p.m.
Re: Wait... what?	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	9/20/10 6:57 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Kermit	9/20/10 5:21 p.m.
Re: A longer term fan's perspective	Quirel	9/20/10 6:20 p.m.
I was talking to Stephen in-game.	Riceatron	9/19/10 10:04 p.m.
What I've learned from all this...	Gravemind	9/20/10 7:21 a.m.
I feel the same way. *NM* *NM*	LionoftheMorning	9/20/10 8:33 a.m.
Yep. This.	Hawaiian Pig	9/20/10 3:07 p.m.
Re: Yep. This.	LionoftheMorning	9/20/10 4:06 p.m.
No, you didn't.	Kermit	9/20/10 4:53 p.m.
Re: No, you didn't.	Gravemind	9/20/10 5:51 p.m.
Re: No, you didn't.	Quirel	9/20/10 6:00 p.m.