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Re: Interesting Frankie Quote
Posted By: Cocopjojo	Date: 6/14/11 3:26 a.m.
In Response To: Re: Interesting Frankie Quote (Narcogen) : Forgive me, I'm sort of slack-jawed here. : I think I sort of established, in two posts, that I understand the different : demands of different mediums. I am saying they cannot be completely : ignored-- not that they must be strictly adhered to. : The situation you describe above is just one of many which can occur in : gameplay but do not make sense within the continuity. : Any significant friendly fire event falls into this category; the marines : turn on the Chief, and then quickly forgive him (depending on difficulty). : This is pretty hard to work into continuity. : Invincible cinematic characters are also a pretty big challenge. That doesn't : mean I think that these events have literal truth for the continuity. The : fact that I can't kill Keyes or Johnson doesn't mean they are immortal : (until the game kills them). : That does not mean that these changes do not damage verisimilitude. They do. : The proper response, however, to this reduction in the effectiveness of : the work's verisimilitude is not to discard the events of one medium in : favor of what the hypothetical result would be in the other. If that were : the case, then Commander Keyes and Sergeant Johnson never live until the : end of Halo 3-- because I would have already killed them. : That does not mean that the way different combat scenarios play out in the : different forms does not affect character development-- because it does. : It just means that I don't discard one or the other in order to prevent it : from happening. : There is an absolutely unavoidable conflict between the design of the games, : which include the Master Chief racking up a nearly impossible kill count, : and the demands of a novel, in which a single combatant has to present : enough of a credible threat to generate dramatic tension. The audience is : being asked to believe two contradictory things at once. This unavoidably : reduces verisimilitude for anyone not willing to dismiss one or the other : with "it's just a game" or "it's just a tie-in novel" : or "I'm just here to be entertained, and not to think about stuff : like that". Which is fine-- but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. I wasn't really talking about continuity or plotlines or anything like that. I was just talking about two different methods of describing reality - one which can be as realistic as the author wants, and another which is significantly less realistic due to the constraints of being a video game. You said the video game is the authoritative medium for you, which I found interesting. It's like using a laser to measure distance versus just eyeballing it, and then picking eyeballing it as the authoritative method of describing reality. Regarding the depictions of reality in Halo, one medium has countless constraints placed upon it due to the nature of being a piece of software (memory, motion capture tech, design decisions, etc.). And the other's a novel, and the author can write whatever he or she wants. And you choose the more constrained, less realistic medium as the authoritative presentation of reality. I guess I'm just curious as to why.

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IGN Halo Anniversary vid live now	GrimBrother One	6/7/11 7:25 p.m.
Re: IGN Halo Anniversary vid live now	Dani	6/7/11 7:29 p.m.
Interesting Frankie Quote	GrimBrother One	6/7/11 7:37 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	pete_the_duck	6/7/11 8:31 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	TDSpiral	6/7/11 8:37 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	bluerunner	6/7/11 8:57 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	TDSpiral	6/8/11 12:07 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Archilen	6/8/11 2:17 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Lurono	6/8/11 3:46 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Archilen	6/8/11 4:00 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Bry	6/8/11 6:27 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Lurono	6/9/11 3:06 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/8/11 6:30 a.m.
Suggestion?	Leisandir	6/8/11 10:52 a.m.
Agreed! *NM*	Lurono	6/9/11 3:09 a.m.
This post perfectly sums up what's wrong.	PsychoRaven	6/8/11 11:45 a.m.
Damn it. This post was meant in reply to Narcogen.	PsychoRaven	6/8/11 11:46 a.m.
Re: Damn it. This post was meant in reply to Narco	Archilen	6/8/11 11:49 a.m.
Re: Damn it. This post was meant in reply to Narco	PsychoRaven	6/8/11 11:52 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	DHalo	6/8/11 2:17 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Archilen	6/8/11 2:28 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	DHalo	6/8/11 6:53 p.m.
second'd *NM*	Leisandir	6/8/11 7:20 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/9/11 1:08 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	DHalo	6/9/11 7:55 a.m.
And to be honest...	DHalo	6/9/11 8:17 a.m.
Re: And to be honest...	Narcogen	6/10/11 4:12 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/10/11 4:08 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	General Vagueness	6/9/11 5:53 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/9/11 1:04 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	DHalo	6/9/11 8:45 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Archilen	6/9/11 9:10 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	DHalo	6/9/11 9:35 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/10/11 1:57 a.m.
Oh! I see what the problem is.	Leisandir	6/9/11 10:01 a.m.
Re: Oh! I see what the problem is.	Narcogen	6/10/11 2:11 a.m.
Re: Oh! I see what the problem is.	Leisandir	6/10/11 7:58 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/10/11 1:49 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	6/10/11 6:21 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Quirel	6/10/11 9:27 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	6/10/11 10:22 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Quirel	6/10/11 10:38 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	6/10/11 10:47 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/13/11 1:39 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Cocopjojo	6/13/11 2:49 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/13/11 5:24 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Cocopjojo	6/13/11 7:41 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	DEEP NNN	6/13/11 7:56 p.m.
You're Doing It Wrong *NM*	The Loot	6/13/11 10:03 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/14/11 2:01 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Cocopjojo	6/14/11 3:26 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/14/11 4:29 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Cocopjojo	6/14/11 11:35 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/15/11 3:03 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/13/11 1:36 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/13/11 1:32 a.m.
You people are confusing me.	Louis Wu	6/13/11 11:01 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	mnemesis	6/13/11 11:15 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Vandle Valsher	6/13/11 11:17 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Louis Wu	6/13/11 11:34 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	excowboy83	6/13/11 11:52 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Vandle Valsher	6/13/11 12:24 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Louis Wu	6/13/11 1:10 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Vandle Valsher	6/13/11 1:35 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Louis Wu	6/13/11 2:47 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Vandle Valsher	6/13/11 3:51 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Narcogen	6/14/11 1:21 a.m.
Wat.	Leisandir	6/13/11 1:39 p.m.
Re: Wat.	Bones153	6/13/11 2:28 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Quirel	6/13/11 4:57 p.m.
— INTERMISSION —	kapowaz	6/13/11 11:28 a.m.
Re: — INTERMISSION —	Louis Wu	6/13/11 11:38 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Captain Spark	6/13/11 12:28 p.m.
I am with you Wu	Sl'askia	6/13/11 12:30 p.m.
Just thought I'd add...	Sl'askia	6/13/11 12:37 p.m.
Re: I am with you Wu	Document	6/13/11 12:47 p.m.
Re: I am with you Wu	Sl'askia	6/13/11 1:00 p.m.
Re: I am with you Wu	bluerunner	6/13/11 1:08 p.m.
Re: I am with you Wu	Sl'askia	6/13/11 1:21 p.m.
I don't think I actually even interpreted...	Leviathan	6/13/11 1:47 p.m.
Re: I don't think I actually even interpreted...	BlueNinja	6/13/11 4:32 p.m.
Re: I don't think I actually even interpreted...	Louis Wu	6/13/11 4:54 p.m.
Re: I don't think I actually even interpreted...	BlueNinja	6/13/11 5:28 p.m.
Re: I don't think I actually even interpreted...	Leviathan	6/13/11 5:50 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	uberfoop	6/13/11 4:03 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Louis Wu	6/13/11 5:06 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	uberfoop	6/13/11 6:03 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Narcogen	6/14/11 1:34 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Avateur	6/13/11 6:21 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	uberfoop	6/13/11 6:27 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Avateur	6/13/11 6:29 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Avateur	6/13/11 6:17 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	DHalo	6/13/11 6:48 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Avateur	6/13/11 7:10 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	DHalo	6/13/11 7:28 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Avateur	6/13/11 8:02 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	DHalo	6/13/11 9:55 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Avateur	6/13/11 11:13 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	DHalo	6/13/11 11:50 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Avateur	6/14/11 12:06 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	mnemesis	6/14/11 12:34 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Avateur	6/14/11 12:36 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Louis Wu	6/14/11 7:21 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Avateur	6/14/11 1:22 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Louis Wu	6/14/11 1:38 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Avateur	6/14/11 2:30 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Narcogen	6/15/11 2:28 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	DHalo	6/14/11 12:38 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Avateur	6/14/11 12:44 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	6/14/11 6:19 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Avateur	6/14/11 6:26 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Narcogen	6/14/11 6:55 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Leviathan	6/14/11 9:46 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Narcogen	6/15/11 2:31 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	General Vagueness	6/14/11 1:15 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Narcogen	6/15/11 3:38 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	General Vagueness	6/15/11 10:09 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Narcogen	6/17/11 1:37 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Avateur	6/14/11 1:28 p.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	DHalo	6/14/11 10:33 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Narcogen	6/14/11 6:51 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Narcogen	6/14/11 1:14 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Cody Miller	6/14/11 1:26 a.m.
Re: You people are confusing me.	Narcogen	6/14/11 1:41 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Lurono	6/9/11 3:42 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Lurono	6/9/11 3:46 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/9/11 5:05 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Leisandir	6/9/11 10:04 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/10/11 2:23 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/9/11 5:04 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	DHalo	6/9/11 9:04 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	6/9/11 12:02 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/10/11 2:27 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	6/10/11 6:28 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/13/11 1:13 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	nomis78	6/13/11 2:43 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	6/13/11 8:07 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	6/9/11 11:14 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/10/11 2:36 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Lurono	6/10/11 9:44 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/13/11 1:27 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Louis Wu	6/13/11 11:07 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Cody Miller	6/13/11 11:21 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Louis Wu	6/13/11 11:30 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Cody Miller	6/13/11 11:39 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Louis Wu	6/13/11 11:41 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Cody Miller	6/13/11 11:42 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	DarkS7G	6/13/11 11:55 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	bluerunner	6/13/11 11:59 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Louis Wu	6/13/11 12:04 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	bluerunner	6/13/11 12:22 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Leviathan	6/13/11 1:16 p.m.
I choose to believe this as well.	Vandle Valsher	6/13/11 1:37 p.m.
Re: I choose to believe this as well.	bluerunner	6/13/11 1:50 p.m.
Re: I choose to believe this as well.	Beckx	6/13/11 3:20 p.m.
Re: I choose to believe this as well.	Leviathan	6/13/11 1:53 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/14/11 12:58 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	mnemesis	6/13/11 11:39 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Cody Miller	6/13/11 11:41 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	mnemesis	6/13/11 11:52 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/14/11 1:02 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/14/11 1:01 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	mnemesis	6/14/11 1:29 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/14/11 1:44 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/14/11 12:51 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	6/8/11 7:25 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Lurono	6/9/11 3:43 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	SPARTAN-034	6/14/11 3:59 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Quirel	6/14/11 4:33 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Frankie	6/14/11 8:09 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	6/14/11 8:16 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Frankie	6/14/11 8:22 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Avateur	6/14/11 8:39 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Quirel	6/14/11 9:17 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	6/14/11 9:28 p.m.
In other news...	GrimBrother One	6/14/11 10:31 p.m.
Re: In other news...	mnemesis	6/14/11 10:55 p.m.
Re: In other news...	macgyver10	6/15/11 1:16 a.m.
AM I DOIN IT RITE?	AngelicLionheart	6/14/11 10:07 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	macgyver10	6/15/11 1:18 a.m.
Well, sufficiently advanced technology and all. :P	SPARTAN-034	6/14/11 11:50 p.m.
Love it! Make it happen 343i *NM*	scarab	6/8/11 12:57 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	The BS Police	6/8/11 8:13 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Archilen	6/8/11 8:18 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	scarab	6/8/11 10:51 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote (Armour perms?)	DEEP NNN	6/8/11 9:19 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote (Armour perms?)	Revenant1988	6/8/11 10:51 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/9/11 1:10 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	General Vagueness	6/9/11 5:12 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Quirel	6/9/11 5:41 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	frankie	6/7/11 8:58 p.m.
Do Sangheili even have Molars? *NM*	INSANEdrive	6/7/11 9:07 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	pete_the_duck	6/8/11 6:13 a.m.
well...	kidtsunami	6/7/11 8:48 p.m.
Re: well...	INSANEdrive	6/7/11 9:07 p.m.
Re: well...	Chewbeccawacca	6/7/11 9:11 p.m.
Re: well...	BanditORR	6/7/11 10:45 p.m.
Re: well...	Dagoonite	6/8/11 3:11 a.m.
Re: well...	Chewbeccawacca	6/10/11 12:18 p.m.
Re: well...	Louis Wu	6/13/11 10:48 a.m.
Interesting Theory	NsU Soldier	6/13/11 11:44 a.m.
CONFIRMED!	padraig08	6/13/11 12:37 p.m.
Pre-order = DONE! *NM*	Mazz	6/13/11 12:44 p.m.
FURTHER CONFIRMED!	Lekku	6/13/11 1:04 p.m.
Re: FURTHER CONFIRMED!	NsU Soldier	6/13/11 1:53 p.m.
Re: CONFIRMED!	Captain Spark	6/13/11 2:52 p.m.
I've never actually considered this until now.	TCKaos	6/7/11 9:24 p.m.
Note: Don't think about something so much that ...	INSANEdrive	6/7/11 9:43 p.m.
Re: Heh, I knew there'd be a reason...	Tighclops	6/7/11 10:23 p.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Narcogen	6/8/11 3:01 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	speak2al	6/10/11 6:56 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	pete_the_duck	6/10/11 7:25 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Mazz	6/10/11 8:06 a.m.
Re: Packing heat.	Hedgemony	6/10/11 8:16 a.m.
Re: Packing heat.	bluerunner	6/10/11 9:02 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Myyke	6/10/11 8:17 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	pete_the_duck	6/10/11 8:53 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	bluerunner	6/10/11 9:10 a.m.
Re: Interesting Frankie Quote	Myyke	6/10/11 9:14 a.m.