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Re: Interesting Frankie Quote
Posted By: Narcogen <narcogen@rampancy.net>Date: 6/13/11 1:27 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Interesting Frankie Quote (Lurono)


: I think I can sum up my thoughts without commenting on each individual
: point...

: I was reading your argument as condemnation of the game based solely on the
: information in the trailer, not condemnation of the trailer itself.
: Looking at things in that light, I can definitely sympathize with your
: point of view A LOT more. You make a lot of good points about this trailer
: when comparing it to previous Halo trailers, and I especially liked that
: you pointed out the lack of action in the Bungie trailers. It's hard to
: say if the hectic nature of the H4 trailer is to compensate for the lack
: of Marty's music

That, I think, is very likely. Marty's music was able to provide a great deal of the drama in those trailers, even when very little "action" was going on. The faster pace here may be a recognition of the fact that this element is no longer present.

or the new team running the show, or if it's simply
: trying to show us that the new game(s) will be faster paced or have more
: action that the previous ones. It could be any or all of those.

Could be, although I'm actually trying to avoid making predictions about the game based on what I've seen in the trailer. I generally prefer Halo's more deliberate pace compared to other FPS games. A faster pace is not really something I'm looking for.

: On the subject of not having an answer to why the Chief has new armor
: straight out of the tube, I still think we shouldn't be worrying as much
: as we are about it. I made the argument that he might not even have the
: new suit until later in the game, and you argued that they should have
: shown something that happens later instead of the events on the FUD.

Yes, I think they could have either done this scene without showing any signficant armor alterations, or they could have done another scene, with whatever alterations they liked, if that scene were to happen in such a manner that indicates there has been an opportunity for such changes to take place.

My
: only guess as to why they would have avoided that route is because they
: want to keep a lot of it under wraps. By showing us the FUD falling
: towards the Forerunner thing, they made it clear that this game picks up
: right where we left off in H3 (the only other Halo games that have that
: kind of connection are Reach and H1).

Yes, that's all true as well, but for me at least, not sufficient.

There's literally not an iota of new information in this trailer, compared to the old Halo 3 legendary ending, that doesn't take place in the questionable action sequence: the jetpacks, the new weapon. The ship is drifting towards the Next New Thing-- we already knew that. The Chief and Cortana are now awake and ready to encounter it. That was fairly predictable. A new gun! Wow, really? A new gun? In a Halo title? Color me shocked. A jet pack? Well, the last one had them, so why not? Jet packs are cool.

In other words, this trailer doesn't tell anybody anything about Halo 4 that they couldn't have gotten from rewatching the Legendary ending and making a couple of really safe guesses, and in order to accomplish that, manages to tarnish the emotional impact of the ending of Halo 3 while introducing continuity errors associated with both cinematic and gameplay sequences.

That's a lot of currency to spend in a couple of minutes, with very little to show for it, in my opinion.

Yes, they could have done things
: differently. Yes, they could have done things better. I just didn't feel
: particularly worried myself, but that's (obviously) just me. I don't
: personally care if a trailer isn't exactly canon because in the end it's
: just a trailer; I'll complain in the event that the game DOES have a
: contrived explanation.

I think that's inescapable, although I suppose it's possible that, should there be an explanation, I might find it contrived and you might find it acceptable. I still think the smart money is on not addressing it at all.

: As I said, I just feel as if people are overreacting. I didn't mean to imply
: that people shouldn't say anything negative about the game, just that
: people are coming across as overly negative, at least in my eyes. I'm just
: trying to understand why that is since I wasn't really bothered by the
: trailer. It wasn't the best trailer I've ever seen, of course, I just feel
: like it did what it needed to.

For me, what it needed to do was convince me that Halo 4 needs to exist-- that I need to play Halo 4 as much as they need to make it. I understand why they want and need to make it. That doesn't create in me a corresponding need to want or need to play it. For me, their story ended, and ended in what I thought was a very appropriate manner. If it is going to continue, and not end, then I need to be told why in a way that convinces me that it needs to happen.

This trailer did not do that. It did not take a step towards that. I'd like to say that I remain neutral at this point, but if I had to make a purchase decision based on a trailer 18 months from release, I think with this game, I take a pass. This is the first Halo title I could say that about.

: I think I pretty much said what I needed to and answered most of the
: questions you were asking, whatever I didn't touch on I'll answer quickly:
: -I understand the necessity of weapon balance from game to game, it's just
: that some people view changes like the BR to the DMR from H3 to Reach or
: the AR to the SMG from H1 to H2 as unnecessary, that's more of what I was
: getting at
: -In a shorter post above you mentioned cut levels and the H3 collectors disc.
: I've watched it once or twice a few years ago and knew of some of the cut
: levels, I just don't remember them mentioning the cut level at the
: beginning of H2 you were talking about. I guess I need to rewatch that at
: some point...

You should, it's very entertaining stuff.

: -Again from the same post, you asked if I could elaborate on my point about
: trailers not being exactly how things play out in game. I feel like you
: elaborated on that well enough yourself in this post =P I guess I still
: have a bit of a case with some of the more recent trailers. We've touched
: on the H3 trailers, but not really on ODST or Reach. The ODST trailer was
: similar in spirit to how the game started, but the exact
: situation/location that the Rookie was in was different. The Reach trailer
: was essentially the opening of the game, but with the addition of the
: Covenant cruiser appearing overhead, something that I think is comparable
: in a way to the Chief's magical armor change. I remember there being some
: complaints along the lines of "Why would they take on a new team
: member right at that moment when the Covenant showed up?" The answer
: was they didn't, it was just a trailer.

The problem with that is that given when and where ODST takes place, it's believable that a cruiser is there whether it is shown or not.

It is not believable that the Chief's armor gains new functionalities never before seen when we're not looking.

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                                                                                         Re: You people are confusing me.uberfoop 6/13/11 6:27 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: You people are confusing me.Avateur 6/13/11 6:29 p.m.
                                                                             Re: You people are confusing me.Avateur 6/13/11 6:17 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: You people are confusing me.DHalo 6/13/11 6:48 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: You people are confusing me.Avateur 6/13/11 7:10 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: You people are confusing me.DHalo 6/13/11 7:28 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: You people are confusing me.Avateur 6/13/11 8:02 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: You people are confusing me.DHalo 6/13/11 9:55 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: You people are confusing me.Avateur 6/13/11 11:13 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: You people are confusing me.DHalo 6/13/11 11:50 p.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: You people are confusing me.Avateur 6/14/11 12:06 a.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: You people are confusing me.mnemesis 6/14/11 12:34 a.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: You people are confusing me.Avateur 6/14/11 12:36 a.m.
                                                                                                                                               Re: You people are confusing me.Louis Wu 6/14/11 7:21 a.m.
                                                                                                                                                     Re: You people are confusing me.Avateur 6/14/11 1:22 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                           Re: You people are confusing me.Louis Wu 6/14/11 1:38 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                 Re: You people are confusing me.Avateur 6/14/11 2:30 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                 Re: You people are confusing me.Narcogen 6/15/11 2:28 a.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: You people are confusing me.DHalo 6/14/11 12:38 a.m.
                                                                                                                                               Re: You people are confusing me.Avateur 6/14/11 12:44 a.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: You people are confusing me.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 6/14/11 6:19 a.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: You people are confusing me.Avateur 6/14/11 6:26 a.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: You people are confusing me.Narcogen 6/14/11 6:55 a.m.
                                                                                                                                               Re: You people are confusing me.Leviathan 6/14/11 9:46 a.m.
                                                                                                                                                     Re: You people are confusing me.Narcogen 6/15/11 2:31 a.m.
                                                                                                                                               Re: You people are confusing me.General Vagueness 6/14/11 1:15 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                     Re: You people are confusing me.Narcogen 6/15/11 3:38 a.m.
                                                                                                                                                           Re: You people are confusing me.General Vagueness 6/15/11 10:09 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                 Re: You people are confusing me.Narcogen 6/17/11 1:37 a.m.
                                                                                                                                               Re: You people are confusing me.Avateur 6/14/11 1:28 p.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: You people are confusing me.DHalo 6/14/11 10:33 a.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: You people are confusing me.Narcogen 6/14/11 6:51 a.m.
                                                                             Re: You people are confusing me.Narcogen 6/14/11 1:14 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: You people are confusing me.Cody Miller 6/14/11 1:26 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: You people are confusing me.Narcogen 6/14/11 1:41 a.m.
                                                           Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteLurono 6/9/11 3:42 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteLurono 6/9/11 3:46 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteNarcogen 6/9/11 5:05 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteLeisandir 6/9/11 10:04 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteNarcogen 6/10/11 2:23 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteNarcogen 6/9/11 5:04 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteDHalo 6/9/11 9:04 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteStephen L. (SoundEffect) 6/9/11 12:02 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteNarcogen 6/10/11 2:27 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteStephen L. (SoundEffect) 6/10/11 6:28 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteNarcogen 6/13/11 1:13 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Interesting Frankie Quotenomis78 6/13/11 2:43 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteStephen L. (SoundEffect) 6/13/11 8:07 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteStephen L. (SoundEffect) 6/9/11 11:14 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteNarcogen 6/10/11 2:36 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteLurono 6/10/11 9:44 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteNarcogen 6/13/11 1:27 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteLouis Wu 6/13/11 11:07 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteCody Miller 6/13/11 11:21 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteLouis Wu 6/13/11 11:30 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteCody Miller 6/13/11 11:39 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteLouis Wu 6/13/11 11:41 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteCody Miller 6/13/11 11:42 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteDarkS7G 6/13/11 11:55 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Interesting Frankie Quotebluerunner 6/13/11 11:59 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteLouis Wu 6/13/11 12:04 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Interesting Frankie Quotebluerunner 6/13/11 12:22 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteLeviathan 6/13/11 1:16 p.m.
                                                                                                                             I choose to believe this as well.Vandle Valsher 6/13/11 1:37 p.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: I choose to believe this as well.bluerunner 6/13/11 1:50 p.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: I choose to believe this as well.Beckx 6/13/11 3:20 p.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: I choose to believe this as well.Leviathan 6/13/11 1:53 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteNarcogen 6/14/11 12:58 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Interesting Frankie Quotemnemesis 6/13/11 11:39 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteCody Miller 6/13/11 11:41 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Interesting Frankie Quotemnemesis 6/13/11 11:52 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteNarcogen 6/14/11 1:02 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteNarcogen 6/14/11 1:01 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Interesting Frankie Quotemnemesis 6/14/11 1:29 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteNarcogen 6/14/11 1:44 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteNarcogen 6/14/11 12:51 a.m.
                                                     Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteStephen L. (SoundEffect) 6/8/11 7:25 a.m.
                                                           Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteLurono 6/9/11 3:43 a.m.
                                               Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteSPARTAN-034 6/14/11 3:59 p.m.
                                                     Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteQuirel 6/14/11 4:33 p.m.
                                                     Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteFrankie 6/14/11 8:09 p.m.
                                                           Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteStephen L. (SoundEffect) 6/14/11 8:16 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteFrankie 6/14/11 8:22 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteAvateur 6/14/11 8:39 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteQuirel 6/14/11 9:17 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteStephen L. (SoundEffect) 6/14/11 9:28 p.m.
                                                                             In other news...GrimBrother One 6/14/11 10:31 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: In other news...mnemesis 6/14/11 10:55 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: In other news...macgyver10 6/15/11 1:16 a.m.
                                                                       AM I DOIN IT RITE?AngelicLionheart 6/14/11 10:07 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Interesting Frankie Quotemacgyver10 6/15/11 1:18 a.m.
                                                           Well, sufficiently advanced technology and all. :PSPARTAN-034 6/14/11 11:50 p.m.
                                   Love it! Make it happen 343i *NM*scarab 6/8/11 12:57 a.m.
                                   Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteThe BS Police 6/8/11 8:13 a.m.
                                         Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteArchilen 6/8/11 8:18 a.m.
                                               Re: Interesting Frankie Quotescarab 6/8/11 10:51 a.m.
                                         Re: Interesting Frankie Quote (Armour perms?)DEEP NNN 6/8/11 9:19 a.m.
                                               Re: Interesting Frankie Quote (Armour perms?)Revenant1988 6/8/11 10:51 a.m.
                                         Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteNarcogen 6/9/11 1:10 a.m.
                                   Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteGeneral Vagueness 6/9/11 5:12 p.m.
                             Re: Interesting Frankie QuoteQuirel 6/9/11 5:41 p.m.
                       Re: Interesting Frankie Quotefrankie 6/7/11 8:58 p.m.
                             Do Sangheili even have Molars? *NM*INSANEdrive 6/7/11 9:07 p.m.
                             Re: Interesting Frankie Quotepete_the_duck 6/8/11 6:13 a.m.
                 well...kidtsunami 6/7/11 8:48 p.m.
                       Re: well...INSANEdrive 6/7/11 9:07 p.m.
                       Re: well...Chewbeccawacca 6/7/11 9:11 p.m.
                             Re: well...BanditORR 6/7/11 10:45 p.m.
                                   Re: well...Dagoonite 6/8/11 3:11 a.m.
                                   Re: well...Chewbeccawacca 6/10/11 12:18 p.m.
                                   Re: well...Louis Wu 6/13/11 10:48 a.m.
                             Interesting TheoryNsU Soldier 6/13/11 11:44 a.m.
                                   CONFIRMED!padraig08 6/13/11 12:37 p.m.
                                         Pre-order = DONE! *NM*Mazz 6/13/11 12:44 p.m.
                                         FURTHER CONFIRMED!Lekku 6/13/11 1:04 p.m.
                                               Re: FURTHER CONFIRMED!NsU Soldier 6/13/11 1:53 p.m.
                                         Re: CONFIRMED!Captain Spark 6/13/11 2:52 p.m.
                 I've never actually considered this until now.TCKaos 6/7/11 9:24 p.m.
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