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Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time

Posted By: ZackDark Date: 12/13/10 3:30 p.m.
In Response To: Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time (Beckx)

: That's bullshit, though. If you're grinding in WoW, instead of "having
: fun," then you're Doing It Wrong. When WotLK came out I leveled to 80
: just doing quests, chirping constantly in guild chat. You can grind, and
: some people proved that you could do things more efficiently by grinding
: rather than questing, but then don't complain about the grinding.
That's the thing. Less and less developers think that this is considered wrong, making grinding more and more common.
: I'm oversimplifying a bit. A lot of WoW's quests are just ass, just real
: illusions covering grinds. Like the "I require 10 buzzard heads"
: quests where only 1 in 20 buzzards drops a head (grrrrrrrr). They get the
: balance right. EverQuest? Yeah. That was grinding. The exploration kept me
: going, but the grinding always beat me down. The grinding and the exp loss
: on death. The grinding, the exp loss, and the corpse runs. The grinding,
: the exp loss, the corpse runs....I'll stop before I break into tears.
There you go. Developers are getting lazy and making grinding missions instead of "real" missions.
I mean, who can blame them? Someone is getting gazillions of players using only grinding (namely Farmville), while "real" missions that keeps the players engaged takes massive amounts of time and effort to produce.

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On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Cody Miller	12/13/10 2:12 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	ZackDark	12/13/10 2:28 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	elessar787	12/13/10 2:36 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Wayward Spleen™	12/13/10 2:38 p.m.
Exactly what you said	General Battuta	12/13/10 2:47 p.m.
Re: Exactly what you said	Cody Miller	12/13/10 2:53 p.m.
Re: Exactly what you said	bluerunner	12/13/10 3:04 p.m.
Re: Exactly what you said	General Battuta	12/13/10 3:05 p.m.
Re: Exactly what you said	Cody Miller	12/13/10 3:27 p.m.
Re: Exactly what you said	General Battuta	12/13/10 3:31 p.m.
Here I still disagree. But not as much as before.	munky-058	12/13/10 5:24 p.m.
Re: Here I still disagree. But not as much as befo	Cody Miller	12/13/10 5:32 p.m.
Re: Exactly what you said	SonofMacPhisto	12/13/10 3:00 p.m.
Re: Exactly what you said	General Battuta	12/13/10 3:02 p.m.
The worst part of the system?	Wayward Spleen™	12/13/10 3:14 p.m.
Re: Exactly what you said	RC Master	12/13/10 3:56 p.m.
Re: Exactly what you said	Wayward Spleen™	12/13/10 3:09 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Cody Miller	12/13/10 2:50 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Beckx	12/13/10 2:48 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	General Battuta	12/13/10 2:49 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Beckx	12/13/10 2:57 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	General Battuta	12/13/10 3:00 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Beckx	12/13/10 3:07 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	General Battuta	12/13/10 3:09 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Beckx	12/13/10 3:13 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	ZackDark	12/13/10 3:17 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Beckx	12/13/10 3:24 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	ZackDark	12/13/10 3:30 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Cody Miller	12/13/10 3:21 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Beckx	12/13/10 3:27 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	cheapLEY	12/13/10 5:00 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Louis Wu	12/13/10 5:02 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Cody Miller	12/13/10 5:10 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	ThorsHammer	12/13/10 7:01 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Beckx	12/14/10 3:28 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Cody Miller	12/14/10 3:40 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	ZackDark	12/13/10 3:14 p.m.
I've got something the covenant can smoke...	bluerunner	12/13/10 3:20 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	SonofMacPhisto	12/13/10 3:28 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Beckx	12/13/10 4:00 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	SonofMacPhisto	12/13/10 4:38 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Kermit	12/13/10 8:03 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	RC Master	12/13/10 8:36 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Kermit	12/13/10 8:45 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Wayward Spleen™	12/13/10 3:18 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Beckx	12/13/10 3:26 p.m.
Here's an odd notion	General Battuta	12/13/10 3:20 p.m.
Re: Here's an odd notion	ZackDark	12/13/10 3:25 p.m.
Re: Here's an odd notion	ManKitten	12/13/10 4:37 p.m.
Re: Here's an odd notion	RC Master	12/13/10 4:43 p.m.
Here's an odder notion	ThorsHammer	12/13/10 7:20 p.m.
Re: Here's an odder notion	General Battuta	12/13/10 7:21 p.m.
Re: Here's an odder notion	RC Master	12/13/10 8:17 p.m.
Re: Here's an odder notion	Cody Miller	12/14/10 2:01 p.m.
Your opinion.	munky-058	12/13/10 3:47 p.m.
Re: Your opinion.	Kermit	12/13/10 3:58 p.m.
I agree with you and Cody	ManKitten	12/13/10 4:08 p.m.
Re: I agree with you and Cody	Beckx	12/13/10 4:33 p.m.
Re: I agree with you and Cody	ManKitten	12/13/10 4:45 p.m.
I've always been supportive of honorable gameplay.	munky-058	12/13/10 5:09 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	ChrisTheeCrappy	12/13/10 4:27 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	KalamariKidd	12/13/10 5:19 p.m.
Excuse me!?	RC Master	12/13/10 7:58 p.m.
Re: Excuse me!?	Beckx	12/13/10 8:33 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Wurny	12/13/10 5:43 p.m.
You know, you're kinda lucky Cody...	RC Master	12/13/10 7:52 p.m.
oh yeah... ^ long NM	RC Master	12/13/10 8:18 p.m.
Love this post!	Kermit	12/13/10 8:21 p.m.
Re: Love this post!	General Battuta	12/13/10 8:55 p.m.
Re: Love this post!	Kermit	12/13/10 9:29 p.m.
Re: Love this post!	Bernard Strauss	12/14/10 10:50 a.m.
Re: Love this post!	Kermit	12/14/10 1:02 p.m.
Re: You know, you're kinda lucky Cody...	Cody Miller	12/13/10 8:47 p.m.
Re: You know, you're kinda lucky Cody...	RC Master	12/13/10 10:31 p.m.
Fantastic..	c0ld vengeance	12/13/10 9:19 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Ragashingo	12/13/10 9:19 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	General Battuta	12/13/10 9:22 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Ragashingo	12/13/10 9:34 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	General Battuta	12/13/10 10:00 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Azo 'Galvat	12/13/10 9:44 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	kidtsunami	12/13/10 11:06 p.m.
External Rewards on Intrinsic Motivation	Decommissioner	12/13/10 11:02 p.m.
I pretty much agree.	uberfoop	12/13/10 11:18 p.m.
Re: External Rewards on Intrinsic Motivation	RC Master	12/14/10 7:21 a.m.
Re: External Rewards on Intrinsic Motivation	Decommissioner	12/14/10 10:58 a.m.
Re: External Rewards on Intrinsic Motivation	RC Master	12/14/10 12:49 p.m.
Re: External Rewards on Intrinsic Motivation	Decommissioner	12/14/10 3:47 p.m.
Re: External Rewards on Intrinsic Motivation	RC Master	12/17/10 4:49 a.m.
Re: External Rewards on Intrinsic Motivation	Decommissioner	12/17/10 2:36 p.m.
Two Words: Skinner Box NM	The Loot	12/14/10 12:10 a.m.
Campaigns are the classic reward system	RC Master	12/14/10 7:08 a.m.
Very nicely written, Cody.	yakaman	12/14/10 1:16 p.m.
How Oddly Relevant...	Bones153	12/14/10 3:13 p.m.
Re: How Oddly Relevant...	SonofMacPhisto	12/14/10 3:44 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	NotTheVacuum	12/15/10 10:41 a.m.