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Re: Exactly what you said

Posted By: Wayward Spleen™ Date: 12/13/10 3:09 p.m.
In Response To: Exactly what you said (General Battuta)

: Particularly this: Challenges drive me to play the game more, but make me
: enjoy it less. I hate that. I hate booting up another game and thinking
: "Man, I'm missing the dailies in Reach...can I really justify
: that?"
: Also, Cody, would be interested to hear more on your thoughts about why the
: Reach beta was so good, because I felt exactly the same way and yet I'm
: having a hard time pinning down what changed between beta and final that
: made the beta better. I have this vague suspicion that the rough edges and
: imbalances made the game better.
Very little changed from a gameplay standpoint.
The investment system was unveiled.
Additionally, the full changes to ranked weren't understood and Arena is and never was a 100% "appropriate" replacement for the ranked system (flawed or otherwise).
The problem is, on paper and in discussion, I'm sure it "felt" like an even trade with a built-in reset (seasons) mechanism to keep player investment recurring.
It's only now painfully obvious that players weren't playing Halo 3 because of the new armor they could buy (weren't really many ranked-restricted perms anyway), nor because of an ever-increasing rank...
They weren't really playing for their 1-50 ranks either, but the problem, in the entire shift towards a progression-only system, is somewhere in-between.
Short end - folks aren't getting the same rewards or even the same reward structure in Reach.
I play it because I enjoy it but resent feeling like I need to change my playstyle to hit the challenges because hey - free credits.
Hell, I spent hours this weekend watching my fiancee play AC III - while mindlessly checkpoint resetting some campaign for a paltry X number of credits while I upped some commendations :P
That is the more appealing way to get the commendations because they aren't tailored towards most people's playstyle (As much as I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Halo's story, I played precisely 66 "games" of campaign). I have already "played" 238 "games" of Reach's campaign - and by my own admission, most of that was to level of commendations - even the dreaded checkpoint and resume to finish a mission w/o deaths.
I would dump my entire thesis on what would make an excellent investment system that still respects the player - and someone could very easily take it, modify it slightly, and probably get a job at Bungie for it. ;)
Instead I'm just going public for the first time with a criticism of Reach - and I know with whom the fault lies - and I still <3 him for his work.
*shrug*
It's flawed, and I love it still. I just happen to know that this particular baby is ugly :P

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On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Cody Miller	12/13/10 2:12 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	ZackDark	12/13/10 2:28 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	elessar787	12/13/10 2:36 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Wayward Spleen™	12/13/10 2:38 p.m.
Exactly what you said	General Battuta	12/13/10 2:47 p.m.
Re: Exactly what you said	Cody Miller	12/13/10 2:53 p.m.
Re: Exactly what you said	bluerunner	12/13/10 3:04 p.m.
Re: Exactly what you said	General Battuta	12/13/10 3:05 p.m.
Re: Exactly what you said	Cody Miller	12/13/10 3:27 p.m.
Re: Exactly what you said	General Battuta	12/13/10 3:31 p.m.
Here I still disagree. But not as much as before.	munky-058	12/13/10 5:24 p.m.
Re: Here I still disagree. But not as much as befo	Cody Miller	12/13/10 5:32 p.m.
Re: Exactly what you said	SonofMacPhisto	12/13/10 3:00 p.m.
Re: Exactly what you said	General Battuta	12/13/10 3:02 p.m.
The worst part of the system?	Wayward Spleen™	12/13/10 3:14 p.m.
Re: Exactly what you said	RC Master	12/13/10 3:56 p.m.
Re: Exactly what you said	Wayward Spleen™	12/13/10 3:09 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Cody Miller	12/13/10 2:50 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Beckx	12/13/10 2:48 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	General Battuta	12/13/10 2:49 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Beckx	12/13/10 2:57 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	General Battuta	12/13/10 3:00 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Beckx	12/13/10 3:07 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	General Battuta	12/13/10 3:09 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Beckx	12/13/10 3:13 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	ZackDark	12/13/10 3:17 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Beckx	12/13/10 3:24 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	ZackDark	12/13/10 3:30 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Cody Miller	12/13/10 3:21 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Beckx	12/13/10 3:27 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	cheapLEY	12/13/10 5:00 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Louis Wu	12/13/10 5:02 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Cody Miller	12/13/10 5:10 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	ThorsHammer	12/13/10 7:01 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Beckx	12/14/10 3:28 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Cody Miller	12/14/10 3:40 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	ZackDark	12/13/10 3:14 p.m.
I've got something the covenant can smoke...	bluerunner	12/13/10 3:20 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	SonofMacPhisto	12/13/10 3:28 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Beckx	12/13/10 4:00 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	SonofMacPhisto	12/13/10 4:38 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Kermit	12/13/10 8:03 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	RC Master	12/13/10 8:36 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Kermit	12/13/10 8:45 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Wayward Spleen™	12/13/10 3:18 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Beckx	12/13/10 3:26 p.m.
Here's an odd notion	General Battuta	12/13/10 3:20 p.m.
Re: Here's an odd notion	ZackDark	12/13/10 3:25 p.m.
Re: Here's an odd notion	ManKitten	12/13/10 4:37 p.m.
Re: Here's an odd notion	RC Master	12/13/10 4:43 p.m.
Here's an odder notion	ThorsHammer	12/13/10 7:20 p.m.
Re: Here's an odder notion	General Battuta	12/13/10 7:21 p.m.
Re: Here's an odder notion	RC Master	12/13/10 8:17 p.m.
Re: Here's an odder notion	Cody Miller	12/14/10 2:01 p.m.
Your opinion.	munky-058	12/13/10 3:47 p.m.
Re: Your opinion.	Kermit	12/13/10 3:58 p.m.
I agree with you and Cody	ManKitten	12/13/10 4:08 p.m.
Re: I agree with you and Cody	Beckx	12/13/10 4:33 p.m.
Re: I agree with you and Cody	ManKitten	12/13/10 4:45 p.m.
I've always been supportive of honorable gameplay.	munky-058	12/13/10 5:09 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	ChrisTheeCrappy	12/13/10 4:27 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	KalamariKidd	12/13/10 5:19 p.m.
Excuse me!?	RC Master	12/13/10 7:58 p.m.
Re: Excuse me!?	Beckx	12/13/10 8:33 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Wurny	12/13/10 5:43 p.m.
You know, you're kinda lucky Cody...	RC Master	12/13/10 7:52 p.m.
oh yeah... ^ long NM	RC Master	12/13/10 8:18 p.m.
Love this post!	Kermit	12/13/10 8:21 p.m.
Re: Love this post!	General Battuta	12/13/10 8:55 p.m.
Re: Love this post!	Kermit	12/13/10 9:29 p.m.
Re: Love this post!	Bernard Strauss	12/14/10 10:50 a.m.
Re: Love this post!	Kermit	12/14/10 1:02 p.m.
Re: You know, you're kinda lucky Cody...	Cody Miller	12/13/10 8:47 p.m.
Re: You know, you're kinda lucky Cody...	RC Master	12/13/10 10:31 p.m.
Fantastic..	c0ld vengeance	12/13/10 9:19 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Ragashingo	12/13/10 9:19 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	General Battuta	12/13/10 9:22 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Ragashingo	12/13/10 9:34 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	General Battuta	12/13/10 10:00 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	Azo 'Galvat	12/13/10 9:44 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	kidtsunami	12/13/10 11:06 p.m.
External Rewards on Intrinsic Motivation	Decommissioner	12/13/10 11:02 p.m.
I pretty much agree.	uberfoop	12/13/10 11:18 p.m.
Re: External Rewards on Intrinsic Motivation	RC Master	12/14/10 7:21 a.m.
Re: External Rewards on Intrinsic Motivation	Decommissioner	12/14/10 10:58 a.m.
Re: External Rewards on Intrinsic Motivation	RC Master	12/14/10 12:49 p.m.
Re: External Rewards on Intrinsic Motivation	Decommissioner	12/14/10 3:47 p.m.
Re: External Rewards on Intrinsic Motivation	RC Master	12/17/10 4:49 a.m.
Re: External Rewards on Intrinsic Motivation	Decommissioner	12/17/10 2:36 p.m.
Two Words: Skinner Box NM	The Loot	12/14/10 12:10 a.m.
Campaigns are the classic reward system	RC Master	12/14/10 7:08 a.m.
Very nicely written, Cody.	yakaman	12/14/10 1:16 p.m.
How Oddly Relevant...	Bones153	12/14/10 3:13 p.m.
Re: How Oddly Relevant...	SonofMacPhisto	12/14/10 3:44 p.m.
Re: On Bungie and the Value of the Player's Time	NotTheVacuum	12/15/10 10:41 a.m.