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Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"
Posted By: Leisandir <joecooperstein@hotmail.com>Date: 1/9/13 12:37 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0" (Bry)


: ...Bleh...

: I dunno about that... it goes against the notion that the Spartan's first
: priority is their duty.
: John might though. He's the one who has become the wildcard, mostly thanks to
: Cortana.
: Fred, Kelly and Linda may have defended Halsey, but I don't know if that
: would go so far as to go renegade from the UNSC for her.
: We also don't know how many of the S-II's will take up the offer of having
: full access to their files. Learning their origins and how it might affect
: them.

: That's hardly clean cut imo. One could easily say it demonstrates that the
: S-IIs are essentially Halsey's puppets if they will do absolutely anything
: she says. Sounds more like a matter of who has actually brainwashed who.
: Thus far, Halsey's efforts for atonement that started in First Strike and
: continued in Ghosts of Onyx was little more than trying to protect her
: Spartans, but she was quite prepared to do this through lies and
: manipulation.
: It's not like she asked Kelly to come with her to Onyx and gave her a
: choice.
: That lowers her holding quite a bit in my eyes. She might say she wants to do
: right by the Spartans, but unless she's actually offering them the choice,
: she's not much better than the military which has used them more as
: equipment than people for so long.

I may not have been as clear as I meant to be. I wasn't suggesting that Halsey herself would lead an insurrection, more that the shit ONI's pulling is pretty bad. Yeah, Halsey's a villain, but so is the rest of ONI, and they're busy villifying her without taking any of the heat themselves. I feel like John's allegiance has shifted since his inception as a character; he's no longer a tool of the UNSC, as indicated by him disobeying a direct order from a superior officer. He's a defender of all humanity, which is more in line with Halsey's recent philosophy than with ONI's current activities.

The other three Sparatans did not oppose Halsey's incarceration because she asked them not to. They are supremely loyal to her.

: I agree that human in-fighting is the more interesting thread, but that will
: likely remain confined to the EU.
: I wouldn't exactly call it a Bungie tradition as such, going all the way back
: to Robt McLees HGN comic which depicted a bloody great big sniper round
: quite graphically blowing a human to bloody chunks!
: But it's certainly not in the nature of the games.
: Who knows how different that might have been though, had Halo 2 not been
: toned down due to real life events in Iraq at the time.

I remember reading that Bungie was very careful not to include any situations during Arbiter missions where the player would fire directly on Marine forces, despite the character having every reason to. The nearest you get is in the Library, when you intercept radio chatter of Marines fighting the Flood, but by the time you find any of them, they're already infected.


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Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 1:27 a.m.
     Didn't care for it in the books, nor in the game *NM*kornman00 1/8/13 7:05 a.m.
     I see it as...thebruce0 1/8/13 8:47 a.m.
           Re: I see it as...scarab 1/8/13 1:00 p.m.
                 Re: I see it as...thebruce0 1/9/13 9:11 a.m.
                       Re: I see it as...scarab 1/9/13 12:02 p.m.
     Instead of the Mantle...Mid7night 1/8/13 9:29 a.m.
           Re: Instead of the Mantle...scarab 1/8/13 10:14 a.m.
                 Re: Instead of the Mantle...Mid7night 1/8/13 12:07 p.m.
     Re: Mantle: do want?Jaydee 1/8/13 10:36 a.m.
           Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 11:36 a.m.
                 Re: Mantle: do want?Bry 1/8/13 11:43 a.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?Quirel 1/8/13 12:05 p.m.
                             oh you cynics! *NM*scarab 1/8/13 12:08 p.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?Anton1792 1/8/13 2:19 p.m.
                             Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 10:15 p.m.
                                   Re: Mantle: do want?Anton1792 1/8/13 11:10 p.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?NikGntre 1/8/13 10:32 p.m.
                             Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 10:43 p.m.
                                   Re: Mantle: do want?NikGntre 1/8/13 11:12 p.m.
                 Re: Mantle: do want?Metalingus627 1/8/13 6:05 p.m.
                       The first SpOps cutscene vid *NM*scarab 1/8/13 6:09 p.m.
                             The Sangheli with the nuke was a refugee *NM*scarab 1/8/13 10:47 p.m.
                                   Guess I need to re-watch those.Metalingus627 1/9/13 4:44 p.m.
     Mantle = Fascism?SonGoharotto 1/8/13 10:50 a.m.
           Re: Mantle = Fascism?Bry 1/8/13 11:29 a.m.
                 Re: Mantle = Fascism?scarab 1/8/13 11:40 a.m.
                       Re: Mantle = Fascism?Bry 1/8/13 11:46 a.m.
                             DOH! *NM*scarab 1/8/13 12:07 p.m.
                 Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"SonGoharotto 1/8/13 1:01 p.m.
                       Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Ragashingo 1/8/13 1:09 p.m.
                             Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"SonGoharotto 1/8/13 2:34 p.m.
                                   Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Ragashingo 1/8/13 11:47 p.m.
                                         Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"SonGoharotto 1/9/13 12:15 a.m.
                                               Agreed. *NM*Ragashingo 1/9/13 12:27 a.m.
                                               Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"scarab 1/9/13 4:48 a.m.
                                                     Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"SonGoharotto 1/9/13 9:47 a.m.
                                                     Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Metalingus627 1/9/13 4:48 p.m.
                       Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Bry 1/8/13 1:45 p.m.
                             Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"SonGoharotto 1/8/13 2:49 p.m.
                                   Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Bry 1/8/13 3:17 p.m.
                                         Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"SonGoharotto 1/8/13 8:11 p.m.
                                               Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Anton1792 1/8/13 8:42 p.m.
                                                     Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"SonGoharotto 1/9/13 12:25 a.m.
                                                           Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Ragashingo 1/9/13 12:30 a.m.
                                                           Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Bry 1/9/13 12:51 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Leisandir 1/9/13 9:40 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Bry 1/9/13 10:12 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Leisandir 1/9/13 12:37 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"SonGoharotto 1/9/13 9:49 a.m.
                                                           Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Anton1792 1/9/13 1:46 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"SonGoharotto 1/9/13 10:06 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Anton1792 1/11/13 11:30 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"SonGoharotto 1/11/13 12:23 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Anton1792 1/11/13 2:17 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Bry 1/15/13 4:41 p.m.
                                               Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Bry 1/9/13 12:41 a.m.
                                                     Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"SonGoharotto 1/9/13 10:11 a.m.
                                   Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Ragashingo 1/8/13 3:34 p.m.
                                         Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"SonGoharotto 1/8/13 8:16 p.m.
                             Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Quirel 1/8/13 7:34 p.m.
                                   ^ This *NM*SonGoharotto 1/8/13 8:17 p.m.
                             Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Ibeechu 1/8/13 8:02 p.m.
                                   Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"thebruce0 1/9/13 9:33 a.m.
                                         Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"thebruce0 1/9/13 9:35 a.m.
                                               Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Bry 1/9/13 9:47 a.m.
                                                     Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"thebruce0 1/9/13 9:51 a.m.
                             Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"NikGntre 1/8/13 10:17 p.m.
                                   Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Bry 1/8/13 10:59 p.m.
                                         Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"NikGntre 1/8/13 11:16 p.m.
                       Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"scarab 1/8/13 1:59 p.m.
                             Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"SonGoharotto 1/8/13 3:09 p.m.
                                   Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Postmortem 1/8/13 3:38 p.m.
                                         Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Metalingus627 1/10/13 10:57 p.m.
                                               Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"scarab 1/11/13 12:48 a.m.
                                                     Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Metalingus627 1/11/13 1:49 a.m.
                                   Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"scarab 1/8/13 4:43 p.m.
                                         Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"SonGoharotto 1/8/13 8:19 p.m.
                                   Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Quirel 1/8/13 7:58 p.m.
                                         Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"SonGoharotto 1/8/13 8:26 p.m.
                                         Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Bry 1/8/13 9:59 p.m.
                                               Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Ragashingo 1/8/13 11:56 p.m.
                                                     Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Metalingus627 1/10/13 10:53 p.m.
                                         Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"scarab 1/8/13 11:13 p.m.
                                               Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"uberfoop 1/8/13 11:20 p.m.
                                   Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Gravemind 1/8/13 8:23 p.m.
                             Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"RC Master 1/8/13 6:48 p.m.
                                   Hear hearSonGoharotto 1/8/13 8:31 p.m.
                                         Re: Hear hearscarab 1/8/13 11:35 p.m.
                                               That would explain the mess that is Prometheus *NM*SonGoharotto 1/9/13 12:29 a.m.
                                         Re: Hear hearthebruce0 1/9/13 9:46 a.m.
                                   Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"scarab 1/8/13 11:23 p.m.
                                         Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"RC Master 1/9/13 10:24 a.m.
                             Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"uberfoop 1/8/13 9:46 p.m.
                                   Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"scarab 1/8/13 11:25 p.m.
     Re: Mantle: do want?Postmortem 1/8/13 11:23 a.m.
           Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 11:59 a.m.
                 Re: Mantle: do want?thebruce0 1/8/13 12:26 p.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?Ragashingo 1/8/13 12:44 p.m.
                 Re: Mantle: do want?Postmortem 1/8/13 12:33 p.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 1/8/13 1:10 p.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?RC Master 1/8/13 7:17 p.m.
                             Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 10:22 p.m.
                                   Re: Mantle: do want?Ragashingo 1/9/13 12:00 a.m.
                                         Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/9/13 12:08 a.m.
     Re: Mantle: do want?Ragashingo 1/8/13 12:07 p.m.
           Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 12:19 p.m.
                 Re: Mantle: do want?thebruce0 1/8/13 12:46 p.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?Ragashingo 1/8/13 1:07 p.m.
                             Re: Mantle: do want?thebruce0 1/9/13 9:55 a.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 1:10 p.m.
                             Re: Mantle: do want?thebruce0 1/9/13 10:00 a.m.
                 Re: Mantle: do want?Ragashingo 1/8/13 1:02 p.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 1:32 p.m.
                             Re: Mantle: do want?Hoovaloov 1/8/13 4:40 p.m.
                                   Good answer. *NM*Ragashingo 1/8/13 4:59 p.m.
                                         Ditto :) *NM*thebruce0 1/9/13 10:04 a.m.
     Re: Mantle: do want?Didact&Librarian 1/8/13 2:46 p.m.
     Re: Mantle: do want?Anton1792 1/8/13 3:34 p.m.
     Re: Mantle: do want?Quirel 1/8/13 8:07 p.m.
           Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 10:37 p.m.
                 Re: Mantle: do want?Ragashingo 1/9/13 12:03 a.m.
                 Re: Mantle: do want?Quirel 1/9/13 11:55 a.m.



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