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Re: Mantle: do want?
Posted By: Postmortem <postmortem@forwarduntodawn.com>Date: 1/8/13 12:33 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Mantle: do want? (scarab)


: What are the self evident truths of the bible? Do all people agree that those
: are the truths?

I was referring to the Mantle, not the Bible. But either way, regardless of what is true or not within the Bible or what anyone's opinions of the factuality of the Bible is, its basic purpose is to instruct people how to live their lives with peace and good will towards others. For the most part.

: What is the Librarian's take on the mantle? Is it correct? How do you know
: this?

We don't know her take yet, just that she believes that humans could attain it after the Forerunners. Therefore, hope that we might turn out better than the Didact expects us to.

: Was the attempted genocide of the humans in accord with the mantle?

Was the attempted genocide of the Flood in accord with the Mantle? Regardless of what the Flood was doing or not, it was still another intelligent organism that they attempted to altogether wipe out. It's clear that if one species threatens the majority, that species stands in the way of the Mantle.

: Humans have taken in Covenant refugees and are sheltering them on earth.
: These are the people who formerly tried to exterminate us.

And at the same time, those with the real power are attempting to introduce a crop-killing virus into the ecosystem of the Elite's homeplanet.

: Didact's stance seems to be based on jealousy and unresolved issues between
: him and his wife.

I think such high ranking individuals are certainly above this, especially given how well they were shown to separate their relationship and their societal responsibilities. Although yes, in the end it was shown that that could not work. But I see that as something that collapsed at the last minute, not slowly over time.

: Do you think that we are innately sinful and that goodness is foreign to our
: nature? Something that we can only strive to overcome? Or, at least, is
: bad the default?

Bad is the default when our technology has advanced at a rate faster than our instincts. If we were still living in the stone age, our instincts would be useful for survival in that time, but we're no longer living in that time. When we have the capability to wipe out entire population centers, species, or even the galaxy (we're working on gaining control of all the Halos remember) it doesn't do us much good if we think about these tools from an emotionally-biased standpoint. An eye for an eye was the first law, but there's a reason it's not endorsed anymore. Either way, individuals can still harbor the feeling that if someone wrongs us, that gives us the right to retaliate. Even those individuals in power and in control of these weapons.

: Do we need a mantle to be good? Are the non-mantle species innately good? Are
: all species innately sinful?

All species innately evolve to survive no matter the cost to others. The Mantle would help to remind the intellectuals in us to look past basic survival.

: Will the mantle redeem us? Is it like God's grace, only with DNA?

I think it's just a set of guidelines to help ensure all races in the galaxy have the chance to achieve intelligence, civilization, and an eventual sharing of culture with other civilized species.

: Even cave men can get on with each other. Insert Kirk's flawed humanity not
: killing today speech. :-)

Star Trek can be sickeningly hopeful at times. Even though I still love it.

Forward Unto Dawn



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Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 1:27 a.m.
     Didn't care for it in the books, nor in the game *NM*kornman00 1/8/13 7:05 a.m.
     I see it as...thebruce0 1/8/13 8:47 a.m.
           Re: I see it as...scarab 1/8/13 1:00 p.m.
                 Re: I see it as...thebruce0 1/9/13 9:11 a.m.
                       Re: I see it as...scarab 1/9/13 12:02 p.m.
     Instead of the Mantle...Mid7night 1/8/13 9:29 a.m.
           Re: Instead of the Mantle...scarab 1/8/13 10:14 a.m.
                 Re: Instead of the Mantle...Mid7night 1/8/13 12:07 p.m.
     Re: Mantle: do want?Jaydee 1/8/13 10:36 a.m.
           Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 11:36 a.m.
                 Re: Mantle: do want?Bry 1/8/13 11:43 a.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?Quirel 1/8/13 12:05 p.m.
                             oh you cynics! *NM*scarab 1/8/13 12:08 p.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?Anton1792 1/8/13 2:19 p.m.
                             Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 10:15 p.m.
                                   Re: Mantle: do want?Anton1792 1/8/13 11:10 p.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?NikGntre 1/8/13 10:32 p.m.
                             Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 10:43 p.m.
                                   Re: Mantle: do want?NikGntre 1/8/13 11:12 p.m.
                 Re: Mantle: do want?Metalingus627 1/8/13 6:05 p.m.
                       The first SpOps cutscene vid *NM*scarab 1/8/13 6:09 p.m.
                             The Sangheli with the nuke was a refugee *NM*scarab 1/8/13 10:47 p.m.
                                   Guess I need to re-watch those.Metalingus627 1/9/13 4:44 p.m.
     Mantle = Fascism?SonGoharotto 1/8/13 10:50 a.m.
           Re: Mantle = Fascism?Bry 1/8/13 11:29 a.m.
                 Re: Mantle = Fascism?scarab 1/8/13 11:40 a.m.
                       Re: Mantle = Fascism?Bry 1/8/13 11:46 a.m.
                             DOH! *NM*scarab 1/8/13 12:07 p.m.
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                                               Agreed. *NM*Ragashingo 1/9/13 12:27 a.m.
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                                                                                   Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Anton1792 1/11/13 2:17 p.m.
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                                   ^ This *NM*SonGoharotto 1/8/13 8:17 p.m.
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                                                     Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Metalingus627 1/10/13 10:53 p.m.
                                         Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"scarab 1/8/13 11:13 p.m.
                                               Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"uberfoop 1/8/13 11:20 p.m.
                                   Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Gravemind 1/8/13 8:23 p.m.
                             Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"RC Master 1/8/13 6:48 p.m.
                                   Hear hearSonGoharotto 1/8/13 8:31 p.m.
                                         Re: Hear hearscarab 1/8/13 11:35 p.m.
                                               That would explain the mess that is Prometheus *NM*SonGoharotto 1/9/13 12:29 a.m.
                                         Re: Hear hearthebruce0 1/9/13 9:46 a.m.
                                   Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"scarab 1/8/13 11:23 p.m.
                                         Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"RC Master 1/9/13 10:24 a.m.
                             Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"uberfoop 1/8/13 9:46 p.m.
                                   Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"scarab 1/8/13 11:25 p.m.
     Re: Mantle: do want?Postmortem 1/8/13 11:23 a.m.
           Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 11:59 a.m.
                 Re: Mantle: do want?thebruce0 1/8/13 12:26 p.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?Ragashingo 1/8/13 12:44 p.m.
                 Re: Mantle: do want?Postmortem 1/8/13 12:33 p.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 1/8/13 1:10 p.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?RC Master 1/8/13 7:17 p.m.
                             Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 10:22 p.m.
                                   Re: Mantle: do want?Ragashingo 1/9/13 12:00 a.m.
                                         Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/9/13 12:08 a.m.
     Re: Mantle: do want?Ragashingo 1/8/13 12:07 p.m.
           Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 12:19 p.m.
                 Re: Mantle: do want?thebruce0 1/8/13 12:46 p.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?Ragashingo 1/8/13 1:07 p.m.
                             Re: Mantle: do want?thebruce0 1/9/13 9:55 a.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 1:10 p.m.
                             Re: Mantle: do want?thebruce0 1/9/13 10:00 a.m.
                 Re: Mantle: do want?Ragashingo 1/8/13 1:02 p.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 1:32 p.m.
                             Re: Mantle: do want?Hoovaloov 1/8/13 4:40 p.m.
                                   Good answer. *NM*Ragashingo 1/8/13 4:59 p.m.
                                         Ditto :) *NM*thebruce0 1/9/13 10:04 a.m.
     Re: Mantle: do want?Didact&Librarian 1/8/13 2:46 p.m.
     Re: Mantle: do want?Anton1792 1/8/13 3:34 p.m.
     Re: Mantle: do want?Quirel 1/8/13 8:07 p.m.
           Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 10:37 p.m.
                 Re: Mantle: do want?Ragashingo 1/9/13 12:03 a.m.
                 Re: Mantle: do want?Quirel 1/9/13 11:55 a.m.



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