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Re: Mantle: do want?
Posted By: Ragashingo <ragashingo@mac.com>Date: 1/8/13 1:02 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Mantle: do want? (scarab)


: We have seen how the Forerunners saw themselves. How did their
: "wards" see them?

Well the Prophets didn't like them. We know that.

: I vote grunts for mantle. Every day would be a party. If the flood attack
: then we can all run away. :-)

Ha.

: Postmortem has an interesting take on it that the mantle is a form of
: redemption. Maybe it's like divine grace. That would fit in with the
: religious themes.

Redemption from what? One of the few things we don't know about the Forerunner is what they did to the Precursor. The (a) Didact killed off the last one, but it seems to be implied that there was more conflict there. I can totally see OTHER Forerunner (ones not caught up in a marital crisis) wanting redemption after Haloing the galaxy. The Didact seems to want to be a jerk holding an old grudge over the whole thing though, and his wife isn't much better. I'm not sure either of them are really committed to protecting the entire galaxy anymore.

: Didn't work out too well for the Forerunners though. Did they fall from
: grace? Did they ever have it?

I think they had it at some point. Despite all their flaws and the infighting that eventually doomed everyone their culture did seem to be set up as a sort of Mimbari servant culture. There was probably a time that they kept the peace, provided aid, and knowledge, but generally stayed out of the way and just helped the galaxy instead of lording over it. Their conflicts with Humanity and the Flood seemed to have broken them more than any other event. Seeing things slipping away... being powerless or not powerful enough for the first time in forever. Maybe that's why they didn't deserve the Mantle. They were the biggest, bestest, and most brilliant during peace time but couldn't hold together during times of war. Still... do we thing any of the Halo races could have done better?

Makes you disappointed in them, but then you remember that the Flood was never a sure thing. If the Timeless one was telling the truth then the Flood was some sort of revenge. Perhaps a revenge custom tailored to defeat the Forerunner. Give them a problem that they had to deal with (a threat to all life, we must do something! - say the self righteous Forerunner) but one who's only solution required them to remove themselves from the equation.

...

Well that isn't true either. The Forerunner might have muscled through it all despite their problems if Mendicant Bias hadn't flipped out and sided with the Flood.

Heh. Halo's story is still a lot of fun to ponder after all! I'm really liking this thread. :)


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Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 1:27 a.m.
     Didn't care for it in the books, nor in the game *NM*kornman00 1/8/13 7:05 a.m.
     I see it as...thebruce0 1/8/13 8:47 a.m.
           Re: I see it as...scarab 1/8/13 1:00 p.m.
                 Re: I see it as...thebruce0 1/9/13 9:11 a.m.
                       Re: I see it as...scarab 1/9/13 12:02 p.m.
     Instead of the Mantle...Mid7night 1/8/13 9:29 a.m.
           Re: Instead of the Mantle...scarab 1/8/13 10:14 a.m.
                 Re: Instead of the Mantle...Mid7night 1/8/13 12:07 p.m.
     Re: Mantle: do want?Jaydee 1/8/13 10:36 a.m.
           Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 11:36 a.m.
                 Re: Mantle: do want?Bry 1/8/13 11:43 a.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?Quirel 1/8/13 12:05 p.m.
                             oh you cynics! *NM*scarab 1/8/13 12:08 p.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?Anton1792 1/8/13 2:19 p.m.
                             Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 10:15 p.m.
                                   Re: Mantle: do want?Anton1792 1/8/13 11:10 p.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?NikGntre 1/8/13 10:32 p.m.
                             Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 10:43 p.m.
                                   Re: Mantle: do want?NikGntre 1/8/13 11:12 p.m.
                 Re: Mantle: do want?Metalingus627 1/8/13 6:05 p.m.
                       The first SpOps cutscene vid *NM*scarab 1/8/13 6:09 p.m.
                             The Sangheli with the nuke was a refugee *NM*scarab 1/8/13 10:47 p.m.
                                   Guess I need to re-watch those.Metalingus627 1/9/13 4:44 p.m.
     Mantle = Fascism?SonGoharotto 1/8/13 10:50 a.m.
           Re: Mantle = Fascism?Bry 1/8/13 11:29 a.m.
                 Re: Mantle = Fascism?scarab 1/8/13 11:40 a.m.
                       Re: Mantle = Fascism?Bry 1/8/13 11:46 a.m.
                             DOH! *NM*scarab 1/8/13 12:07 p.m.
                 Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"SonGoharotto 1/8/13 1:01 p.m.
                       Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Ragashingo 1/8/13 1:09 p.m.
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                                               Agreed. *NM*Ragashingo 1/9/13 12:27 a.m.
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                                                                                   Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Anton1792 1/11/13 2:17 p.m.
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                                   ^ This *NM*SonGoharotto 1/8/13 8:17 p.m.
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                                               Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Ragashingo 1/8/13 11:56 p.m.
                                                     Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"Metalingus627 1/10/13 10:53 p.m.
                                         Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"scarab 1/8/13 11:13 p.m.
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                             Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"RC Master 1/8/13 6:48 p.m.
                                   Hear hearSonGoharotto 1/8/13 8:31 p.m.
                                         Re: Hear hearscarab 1/8/13 11:35 p.m.
                                               That would explain the mess that is Prometheus *NM*SonGoharotto 1/9/13 12:29 a.m.
                                         Re: Hear hearthebruce0 1/9/13 9:46 a.m.
                                   Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"scarab 1/8/13 11:23 p.m.
                                         Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"RC Master 1/9/13 10:24 a.m.
                             Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"uberfoop 1/8/13 9:46 p.m.
                                   Re: Something else I don't like about "Halo 2.0"scarab 1/8/13 11:25 p.m.
     Re: Mantle: do want?Postmortem 1/8/13 11:23 a.m.
           Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 11:59 a.m.
                 Re: Mantle: do want?thebruce0 1/8/13 12:26 p.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?Ragashingo 1/8/13 12:44 p.m.
                 Re: Mantle: do want?Postmortem 1/8/13 12:33 p.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 1/8/13 1:10 p.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?RC Master 1/8/13 7:17 p.m.
                             Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 10:22 p.m.
                                   Re: Mantle: do want?Ragashingo 1/9/13 12:00 a.m.
                                         Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/9/13 12:08 a.m.
     Re: Mantle: do want?Ragashingo 1/8/13 12:07 p.m.
           Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 12:19 p.m.
                 Re: Mantle: do want?thebruce0 1/8/13 12:46 p.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?Ragashingo 1/8/13 1:07 p.m.
                             Re: Mantle: do want?thebruce0 1/9/13 9:55 a.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 1:10 p.m.
                             Re: Mantle: do want?thebruce0 1/9/13 10:00 a.m.
                 Re: Mantle: do want?Ragashingo 1/8/13 1:02 p.m.
                       Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 1:32 p.m.
                             Re: Mantle: do want?Hoovaloov 1/8/13 4:40 p.m.
                                   Good answer. *NM*Ragashingo 1/8/13 4:59 p.m.
                                         Ditto :) *NM*thebruce0 1/9/13 10:04 a.m.
     Re: Mantle: do want?Didact&Librarian 1/8/13 2:46 p.m.
     Re: Mantle: do want?Anton1792 1/8/13 3:34 p.m.
     Re: Mantle: do want?Quirel 1/8/13 8:07 p.m.
           Re: Mantle: do want?scarab 1/8/13 10:37 p.m.
                 Re: Mantle: do want?Ragashingo 1/9/13 12:03 a.m.
                 Re: Mantle: do want?Quirel 1/9/13 11:55 a.m.



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