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Couple things...
Posted By: ViolentlyHappy <smrice@adelphia.net>Date: 12/2/04 7:36 p.m.

In Response To: Has to be nit-picked.... *sp* *long* (gspawn)

: Pistol whores ARE the lowest common denominator, and getting them out of the
: game is a MASSIVE plus. I have a hundred times more fun in a game if
: everyone fights with at least a modicum of "honor" and doesn't
: just use the cheapest tactics. When you can be powerful in any situation,
: when you can win even if you're not set up in circumstances to your favor,
: THAT's skill. Not learning one method of combat and only ever using that
: one method all the time every time. I hate those people.

I absolutely can't stand it when someone says that only one method of combat was used all the time. It's simply not true. I played the game for countless hours on LAN and on XBC, and anyone using just the pistol would not win. Sure, I may not be a certified expert, but I'd say that I've played enough to know much more about the nuances of the game than most people. The pistol, contrary to popular opinion, was not the end-all and be-all. The pistol was awesome at medium distances (you know, the distances the AR was supposed to be good at..). It was effective at medium-long distances. It was effective at medium-short distances. At medium-short to long distances, however, a skilled sniper could always kill someone with a pistol. One shot vs. three. No-brainer. If you took the time to get really good with a rifle, you could spin around as soon as you started getting shot and take out someone behind you with one shot. But at close distances, a shotgun user would always be able to get the upper hand on you with some crafty evasion and well-timed shots. So why isn't everyone complaining about the power of the sniper rifle? Simple, because it had a small clip. Why did it have a small clip? Because it was a power weapon. The pistol was not. The pistol, as a starting weapon, the way it should be, gave everyone a fighting chance against someone with a power weapon (shotgun, sniper, rocket). The way it is now, the SMG is so horrible compared to every one of these power weapons, the SMG user has no chance unless their enemy is terrible (which should never happen due to the level system).
Ugh, I can sense ranting....
Every weapon in Halo 1 had its own niche. (Except the needler, which flat-out sucked.)
Pistol: generic multipurpose weapon, effective in all situations.
Sniper Rifle: useful at mid-to-short range, awesome at long range.
Rocket: all-range anti-vehicle weapon, short-to-mid range anti-infantry weapon.
Shotgun: awesome at short range.
Plasma pistol: Good for fast meleeing, fast firing allowed you to plasma freeze an enemy and whack them in the back
Plasma rifle: Good in short-to-medium range, freeze effect compensated for relative weakness.
AR: Great for mopping up confused battles, quick reload allowed emptying of a clip finished off by a whack, rinse, and repeat

A few weapons in Halo 2 are clearly better than anything else
SMG: Useless. Adequate when dual-wielded, but this of course requires finding a second weapon.
Pistol: Powerful, but only at shorter ranges in conjunction with a plasma pistol or rapid-fire weapon.
Plasma rifle: Lack of freeze effect combined with lack of health in Halo 2 make the plasma rifle nothing more than a slightly-more-powerful SMG
Plasma pistol: Insane homing and shield dropping ability. Useless, however, without another weapon.
Sniper rifle: Unbeatable by anything except another rifle or carbine at anything but short range.
Rocket launcher: Too easy to destroy vehicles with, easy infantry kill at short range
Carbine: Good overall weapon, but with low ammo.
BR: Good against poor helpless SMG users, but screwed against rifle user (bursts do not keep sniper out of zoom long enough).
Sword: Dominates everything at close range, unless the bearer is awful.
Shotgun: Decent at close range, good at super-close range, but removed from its niche by the sword.

In Halo 1, against people with equal skill (which is what the live ranking system is for anyway), spawning with a pistol gave you a fighting chance against any weapon, except if that weapon was in its niche. In Halo 2, spawning with an SMG leaves you powerless against everything except against someone with an SMG, if you get the first shot that is, and afterwards someone will probably mop you up quickly.
Something I read somewhere said that Halo 2 had eliminated spawn-camping. Halo 2 has encouraged spawn camping. In Halo 1, you could always take potshots at a spawncamper with your pistol, and with any luck, get rid of him. I can't begin to express the pain I feel sitting outside of the attacker's spawn on Burial Mounds with a beam rifle. I cringe with each painfully easy headshot, knowing that my enemies can do nothing with their weapons against me, nor are they given an opportunity to do something when I reload, because, well, I don't have to.
As Halo 2 progresses, I think we'll see much more whoring than there was in the first game, because you HAVE to whore to win. The plasma pistol and the sniper rifles will be sought after, and whoever controls them will win. That's not much fun.

: Opening the gate at Zanzibar, flying a Banshee out of the bases on
: Coagulation, air/grav lifts on (insert level), ramps on (Midtown? whatever
: it's called)... moments like those?

Those aren't moments. Those happen every game. There's nothing special about opening the gate. "Hey...team...gate's open. Whoop-de-doo." Compare that with Halo 1's "OMFG CHECK IT OUT I JUST BLASTED THAT FULL WARTHOG WITH THE ROCKET and it CRUSHED THEIR OTHER TEAMMATE!" Those are moments. Things which rarely happened, but when they did, it was something really special. They made you pee your pants, talk about them for weeks, and replay over and over if you happened to catch them on video.

I'd like to say that I completely agree with all of mothergoat's points, except that little anti-Apple tidbit (how can you be anti-Apple? That's like hating a third world country because it is in the way of one country's world empire). Halo 1 felt good. It felt smooth. It felt like a natural extension of yourself into a world that was less realistic, but a helluva lot more fun. Halo 2 doesn't feel like that at all. It feels like a bumpy ride on a railway over a pit of lava. Except without the excitement. Bungie was right, it does feel like ninjas on fire. But that's not nearly as cool as I had thought it would be. Like mothergoat said, Halo 2 is a great video game. But it's a bad Halo game. Hopefully Bungie will remember the original Halo 1 magic when they make Halo 3. Or failing that, just give up and make Halo 1.5. :P

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Holy crap, I just hit the preview button, sorry about the length.


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Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2mothergoat 12/1/04 8:15 p.m.
     Noice (Aussie Accent)Ghost Darkfire 12/1/04 8:29 p.m.
           Re: Noice (Aussie Accent)TalkingElmo 12/2/04 5:39 a.m.
           Re: Noice (Aussie Accent)Mothergoat 12/2/04 8:40 a.m.
     ^^ Well said *nm* *NM*saint.duo 12/1/04 8:39 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Peptuck 12/1/04 8:45 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2ragn4rokk 12/1/04 8:47 p.m.
     BravoSomeone 12/1/04 8:57 p.m.
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                 Re: BravoMikeMan445 12/1/04 10:28 p.m.
                       Re: BravoGre'Thor 12/2/04 8:55 a.m.
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     Bravo *NM*Jamirus99 12/1/04 9:01 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Keith 12/1/04 9:09 p.m.
           I agree with him. ^^^Saint [lpn] 12/1/04 9:12 p.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Mothergoat 12/1/04 9:14 p.m.
                 Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2ringthree 12/2/04 3:58 p.m.
                       Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2JakeDaGreat 12/2/04 4:37 p.m.
                             Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Mothergoat 12/2/04 4:52 p.m.
                       Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Mothergoat 12/2/04 4:54 p.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Hybrid-X-Ultima 12/1/04 9:37 p.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2box 12/3/04 12:02 p.m.
                 BTW ^^^ that was directed toward Keith's reply *NM*box 12/3/04 12:06 p.m.
     Well saidGrady 12/1/04 9:11 p.m.
           Re: Well saidHybrid-X-Ultima 12/1/04 9:26 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Hybrid-X-Ultima 12/1/04 9:11 p.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Mothergoat 12/1/04 9:17 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Ducain 12/1/04 9:35 p.m.
     Nice write up. :)Zero Flaw (E Nomini Patri) 12/1/04 9:40 p.m.
     Has to be nit-picked.... *sp* *long*gspawn 12/1/04 9:56 p.m.
           Re: Has to be nit-picked.... *sp* *long*Jamirus99 12/1/04 10:13 p.m.
           Re: Has to be nit-picked.... *sp* *long*Mothergoat 12/1/04 10:15 p.m.
           Re: Has to be nit-picked.... *sp* *long*Mothergoat 12/2/04 12:57 a.m.
           Re: Has to be nit-picked.... *sp* *long*Woogy 12/2/04 2:19 p.m.
           Another difference possibility...Blitzwolf 12/2/04 5:26 p.m.
           Couple things...ViolentlyHappy 12/2/04 7:36 p.m.
           This guy rules! *NM* *NM*7h3_h0ck3y_w1z 12/3/04 2:37 a.m.
           Re: Has to be nit-picked.... *sp* *long*[§]Zéù$ 12/6/04 8:14 p.m.
                 Halo CENarcogen 12/6/04 11:49 p.m.
     I guess I agree with a lot of that but...stan 12/1/04 10:04 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2343winks 12/1/04 10:04 p.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Mothergoat 12/1/04 10:20 p.m.
                 Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2343winks 12/1/04 10:36 p.m.
                       Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Mothergoat 12/1/04 10:51 p.m.
                             Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2MikeMan445 12/2/04 12:03 a.m.
                                   Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Hybrid-X-Ultima 12/2/04 5:43 a.m.
                                         Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2GaMMa 12/2/04 11:36 p.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2TalkingElmo 12/2/04 5:15 a.m.
                 Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2343winks 12/2/04 5:22 p.m.
     I completely disagree in every way.MikeMan445 12/1/04 10:10 p.m.
           Re: I completely disagree in every way.Mothergoat 12/1/04 10:26 p.m.
                 Until the bell cracks that is. *NM*stan 12/1/04 10:27 p.m.
                       Re: Until the bell cracks that is.MSN 12/2/04 1:40 p.m.
                             Re: Until the bell cracks that is.mnemesis 12/2/04 2:21 p.m.
                 Re: I completely disagree in every way.MikeMan445 12/1/04 10:31 p.m.
                       Re: I completely disagree in every way.Mothergoat 12/1/04 10:54 p.m.
                             Re: I completely disagree in every way.AeroJonesy 12/1/04 11:39 p.m.
                                   Re: I completely disagree in every way.Saint [lpn] 12/1/04 11:45 p.m.
                                         Re: I completely disagree in every way.Mothergoat 12/2/04 12:47 a.m.
                                         Re: I completely disagree in every way.madcowjim 12/2/04 12:14 p.m.
                                               Re: I completely disagree in every way.Mothergoat 12/2/04 1:43 p.m.
                 Re: I completely disagree in every way.Infininja 12/5/04 1:20 a.m.
           change for change's sakeTalkingElmo 12/2/04 5:05 a.m.
                 Re: change for change's sakeMikeMan445 12/2/04 1:38 p.m.
           Re: I completely disagree in every way.MacDjinn 12/4/04 2:42 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2ctishman 12/2/04 1:17 a.m.
     What game have you been playing?C-B 12/2/04 2:50 a.m.
           Re: What game have you been playing?TalkingElmo 12/2/04 4:50 a.m.
                 Re: What game have you been playing?C-B 12/2/04 5:39 a.m.
                       Re: What game have you been playing?TalkingElmo 12/2/04 5:50 a.m.
                             Re: What game have you been playing?C-B 12/2/04 6:32 a.m.
                                   Re: What game have you been playing?TalkingElmo 12/2/04 11:14 a.m.
                                         Re: What game have you been playing?C-B 12/2/04 5:05 p.m.
     Thank You MothergoatStanton 12/2/04 3:38 a.m.
           Re: Thank You MothergoatTalkingElmo 12/2/04 5:56 a.m.
     THIS IS NOT A REVIEWMothergoat 12/2/04 8:32 a.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Mathijs Buster 12/2/04 11:04 a.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2AZC 12/2/04 11:40 a.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2True Monkey King 12/2/04 11:44 a.m.
                 Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2madcowjim 12/2/04 12:06 p.m.
     pistol and the bansheespaceghost 12/2/04 11:48 a.m.
           Re: pistol and the bansheeMothergoat 12/2/04 1:45 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Strangepurple 12/2/04 11:57 a.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Strangepurple 12/2/04 11:58 a.m.
                 He Writes for www.Lawrence.com *NM*Mintz08 12/2/04 12:30 p.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Mothergoat 12/2/04 1:48 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2MegaManfre 12/2/04 12:23 p.m.
     A Few CommentsSyracuse022 12/2/04 12:29 p.m.
           Re: A Few CommentsStrangepurple 12/2/04 12:38 p.m.
           EXACTLYMikeMan445 12/2/04 1:49 p.m.
                 Re: EXACTLYMothergoat 12/2/04 1:56 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2FauxHammer 12/2/04 12:36 p.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Mothergoat 12/2/04 2:00 p.m.
                 Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2FauxHammer 12/2/04 3:00 p.m.
     Thank YouBeoren 12/2/04 1:04 p.m.
     Of Physics - Clarificationmothergoat 12/2/04 1:08 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Fathersheep 12/2/04 1:13 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2HALOHUMAN 12/2/04 1:21 p.m.
     Well written... *NM*CYBRFRK 12/2/04 1:32 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2MthdDirector 12/2/04 1:40 p.m.
     My say on the matterscottisonfire 12/2/04 1:58 p.m.
           Maybe i'm crazy but here's what i thinkGhentec 12/2/04 6:22 p.m.
                 Re: Maybe i'm crazy but here's what i thinkscottisonfire 12/2/04 8:36 p.m.
     Re: lol "when keepin' it real goes wrong" *NM*Mantis819 12/2/04 2:01 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Gotenks1215 12/2/04 2:15 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Blue Dragon 12/2/04 2:48 p.m.
     Reaction to Mothergoat and othersMa1agate 12/2/04 3:08 p.m.
           Re: Reaction to Mothergoat and othersMothergoat 12/2/04 3:26 p.m.
                 Re: Reaction to Mothergoat and othersMadMan42 12/2/04 4:51 p.m.
     I loved halo 2 (*ending was great*)MacDjinn 12/2/04 4:25 p.m.
           Halo 2 is better (rant)Trainee 12/2/04 5:34 p.m.
                 Realistic vs feeling RealBey Bey Bey 12/3/04 8:40 a.m.
     Right there with yaRockhard 12/2/04 4:32 p.m.
     halo 1 on liveLatekid 12/2/04 4:45 p.m.
           Halo 1.5smitty15 12/2/04 6:47 p.m.
     Halo 2 was rushed? What about Halo 1?!?!Bey Bey Bey 12/2/04 5:07 p.m.
           Re: Halo 2 was rushed? What about Halo 1?!?!Trainee 12/2/04 5:40 p.m.
           Re: Halo 2 was rushed? What about Halo 1?!?!madcowjim 12/2/04 5:55 p.m.
                 Re: Halo 2 was rushed? What about Halo 1?!?!Bey Bey Bey 12/3/04 8:25 a.m.
           Re: Halo 2 was rushed? What about Halo 1?!?!jfitzell 12/2/04 6:59 p.m.
                 Re: Halo 2 was rushed? What about Halo 1?!?!Bey Bey Bey 12/3/04 8:08 a.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Hallway Giant 12/2/04 5:11 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Let_Me_Live 12/2/04 5:37 p.m.
     YAH2OOmniscient 12/2/04 6:34 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2eiii 12/2/04 6:50 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2MthdDirector 12/2/04 7:44 p.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Fr0stbyte124 12/2/04 10:07 p.m.
     Missing: sensation?coldfreak 12/2/04 7:58 p.m.
           Re: Missing: sensation?Strangepurple 12/2/04 8:29 p.m.
           Re: Missing: sensation?Bey Bey Bey 12/3/04 1:00 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2MSN 12/2/04 9:37 p.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Strangepurple 12/2/04 10:39 p.m.
                 Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2ThorsHammer 12/2/04 11:22 p.m.
                       Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Strangepurple 12/2/04 11:45 p.m.
                             Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2no7orious 12/3/04 3:42 a.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2no7orious 12/3/04 3:44 a.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2vector40 12/2/04 9:49 p.m.
           Dude!KOPD 12/2/04 10:02 p.m.
           Halo againzedd 12/2/04 10:11 p.m.
           The most eloquent response, by far.MikeMan445 12/3/04 1:54 a.m.
                 Now...vector40 12/3/04 5:20 a.m.
                       Re: Now...Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 12/3/04 7:57 a.m.
                 Re: The most eloquent response, by far.Mothergoat 12/3/04 8:53 a.m.
                       Re: The most eloquent response, by far.Fr0stbyte124 12/3/04 3:00 p.m.
                       Re: The most eloquent response, by far.vector40 12/3/04 8:56 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Starkillah 12/3/04 1:05 a.m.
     reviews like this are killing the communityfludblud 12/3/04 2:39 a.m.
           Re: reviews like this are killing the communityno7orious 12/3/04 3:39 a.m.
                 Re: reviews like this are killing the communityEric 12/3/04 5:08 a.m.
                       Re: reviews like this are killing the communityno7orious 12/3/04 6:09 a.m.
                             Re: reviews like this are killing the communityEric 12/3/04 5:35 p.m.
           Re: reviews like this are killing the communitySep7imus [subnova] 12/3/04 8:32 a.m.
                 Re: reviews like this are killing the communityMothergoat 12/3/04 8:45 a.m.
                 Re: reviews like this are killing the communityfludblud 12/5/04 1:53 a.m.
     95% agreement *NM*HK HUNTRKILLR 12/3/04 6:05 a.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2NokMok 12/3/04 8:44 a.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Sep7imus [subnova] 12/3/04 9:06 a.m.
                 Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2NokMok 12/3/04 12:28 p.m.
                       Re: of XBL / system Link Co-OpSep7imus [subnova] 12/3/04 12:32 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Ruum 12/3/04 3:48 p.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Jammaster 12/3/04 11:25 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2[§]Zéù$ 12/4/04 1:56 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Infininja 12/5/04 1:22 a.m.
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