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Re: Halo 2 was rushed? What about Halo 1?!?!
Posted By: madcowjimDate: 12/2/04 5:55 p.m.

In Response To: Halo 2 was rushed? What about Halo 1?!?! (Bey Bey Bey)

: What I seem to notice, is that people who complain about Halo 2 seem to
: consider Halo 1 perfect or almost.

Halo 1 wasn't perfect, and I don't think that anyone believes it was. But they did have something good there. Some people just believe that it was taken in a bad direction, I being one of them.

Honestly though, if Halo 1 and Halo 2 were completely different games, with no ties between them at all and no expectations to hold up, it would be really easy to accept everything about the game. But we can't. Everyone is human, and everyone has expectations that they'd like to be met.

: You say Halo 2 was rushed? No doubt about it, it's a big time game. But it
: certainly was nowhere near as rushed as Halo 1.

: Halo 1 came out precisely when X-box came out. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Halo 1 was in development about as long as Halo 2, only it was changed to an Xbox project six months or so before release. Bungie already knew what they were going to do mostly, after doing tests on PC for so long, and all that was left to do was make it. Halo 2's entire design was done at the same time they were making it.

: Where can we see Halo 1 was rushed?

: The Library: Copy Paste/Copy Paste. Assault on the Control Room's exteriors
: were awesome, but the interiors were Copy/Paste.

Do you not think everyone has already aknowledged this?

: Halo 2's levels might not all be Awesome, and some levels might be worse than
: the best levels in Halo 1, but saying the level design in Halo 2 was
: boring and uninspired means Halo 1's level design was all peaches &
: cream and originality, which is not true.

The reason why Halo 1 was repetitive but still good: Halo 1's gameplay was already figured out. But by the time it was nice and done, they had to make some quick levels. I believe that most areas in Halo 1 are good because they were made to be open-ended and nonlinear, allowing for many different possibilities so it never felt like you were doing the same thing over and over like deja-vu. Even if seeing the same room over and over got to be repetitive, the gameplay wasn't.

Halo 2 on the other hand, has levels that weren't rushed, and didn't have to be copy/paste, so they could make rooms that were made not to be cut/paste-able. Each was designed each with a specific purpose in mind. If you put ANY of the rooms in Halo 2 back-to-back, it wouldn't just feel repetitive, it would almost feel like deja-vu. As a result of this new design: many people feel the game lost it's non-linear touch. You go into a room and feel like the designers made it to be played that way.

: P.S.: The pistol in Halo sucked. No questions about it. It was lovely in
: Single Player, but in Multiplayer it sucked. You say it's not true because
: you loved the pistol, and no doubt loved to use it. However, I loved other
: weapons, and when in a Multiplayer game I faced off a "pistol
: whore" I was forced to do one of two things: Get a pistol myself and
: kill the "pistol whore", or perish. This meant that, when a
: pistol whore was on play, everyone had to play with the pistol, relegating
: almost every other weapon to a second place. Fun? If you loved the pistol
: above everything else, sure. Otherwise, a little annoying.

I liked the pistol. You didn't. That doesn't mean it sucked, you just have a different opinion then I do.


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Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2mothergoat 12/1/04 8:15 p.m.
     Noice (Aussie Accent)Ghost Darkfire 12/1/04 8:29 p.m.
           Re: Noice (Aussie Accent)TalkingElmo 12/2/04 5:39 a.m.
           Re: Noice (Aussie Accent)Mothergoat 12/2/04 8:40 a.m.
     ^^ Well said *nm* *NM*saint.duo 12/1/04 8:39 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Peptuck 12/1/04 8:45 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2ragn4rokk 12/1/04 8:47 p.m.
     BravoSomeone 12/1/04 8:57 p.m.
           Re: BravoGre'Thor 12/1/04 9:04 p.m.
                 Re: BravoMikeMan445 12/1/04 10:28 p.m.
                       Re: BravoGre'Thor 12/2/04 8:55 a.m.
                             Re: BravoMasterGrunt_Yayap-117 12/2/04 5:53 p.m.
     Bravo *NM*Jamirus99 12/1/04 9:01 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Keith 12/1/04 9:09 p.m.
           I agree with him. ^^^Saint [lpn] 12/1/04 9:12 p.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Mothergoat 12/1/04 9:14 p.m.
                 Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2ringthree 12/2/04 3:58 p.m.
                       Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2JakeDaGreat 12/2/04 4:37 p.m.
                             Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Mothergoat 12/2/04 4:52 p.m.
                       Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Mothergoat 12/2/04 4:54 p.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Hybrid-X-Ultima 12/1/04 9:37 p.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2box 12/3/04 12:02 p.m.
                 BTW ^^^ that was directed toward Keith's reply *NM*box 12/3/04 12:06 p.m.
     Well saidGrady 12/1/04 9:11 p.m.
           Re: Well saidHybrid-X-Ultima 12/1/04 9:26 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Hybrid-X-Ultima 12/1/04 9:11 p.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Mothergoat 12/1/04 9:17 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Ducain 12/1/04 9:35 p.m.
     Nice write up. :)Zero Flaw (E Nomini Patri) 12/1/04 9:40 p.m.
     Has to be nit-picked.... *sp* *long*gspawn 12/1/04 9:56 p.m.
           Re: Has to be nit-picked.... *sp* *long*Jamirus99 12/1/04 10:13 p.m.
           Re: Has to be nit-picked.... *sp* *long*Mothergoat 12/1/04 10:15 p.m.
           Re: Has to be nit-picked.... *sp* *long*Mothergoat 12/2/04 12:57 a.m.
           Re: Has to be nit-picked.... *sp* *long*Woogy 12/2/04 2:19 p.m.
           Another difference possibility...Blitzwolf 12/2/04 5:26 p.m.
           Couple things...ViolentlyHappy 12/2/04 7:36 p.m.
           This guy rules! *NM* *NM*7h3_h0ck3y_w1z 12/3/04 2:37 a.m.
           Re: Has to be nit-picked.... *sp* *long*[§]Zéù$ 12/6/04 8:14 p.m.
                 Halo CENarcogen 12/6/04 11:49 p.m.
     I guess I agree with a lot of that but...stan 12/1/04 10:04 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2343winks 12/1/04 10:04 p.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Mothergoat 12/1/04 10:20 p.m.
                 Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2343winks 12/1/04 10:36 p.m.
                       Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Mothergoat 12/1/04 10:51 p.m.
                             Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2MikeMan445 12/2/04 12:03 a.m.
                                   Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Hybrid-X-Ultima 12/2/04 5:43 a.m.
                                         Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2GaMMa 12/2/04 11:36 p.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2TalkingElmo 12/2/04 5:15 a.m.
                 Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2343winks 12/2/04 5:22 p.m.
     I completely disagree in every way.MikeMan445 12/1/04 10:10 p.m.
           Re: I completely disagree in every way.Mothergoat 12/1/04 10:26 p.m.
                 Until the bell cracks that is. *NM*stan 12/1/04 10:27 p.m.
                       Re: Until the bell cracks that is.MSN 12/2/04 1:40 p.m.
                             Re: Until the bell cracks that is.mnemesis 12/2/04 2:21 p.m.
                 Re: I completely disagree in every way.MikeMan445 12/1/04 10:31 p.m.
                       Re: I completely disagree in every way.Mothergoat 12/1/04 10:54 p.m.
                             Re: I completely disagree in every way.AeroJonesy 12/1/04 11:39 p.m.
                                   Re: I completely disagree in every way.Saint [lpn] 12/1/04 11:45 p.m.
                                         Re: I completely disagree in every way.Mothergoat 12/2/04 12:47 a.m.
                                         Re: I completely disagree in every way.madcowjim 12/2/04 12:14 p.m.
                                               Re: I completely disagree in every way.Mothergoat 12/2/04 1:43 p.m.
                 Re: I completely disagree in every way.Infininja 12/5/04 1:20 a.m.
           change for change's sakeTalkingElmo 12/2/04 5:05 a.m.
                 Re: change for change's sakeMikeMan445 12/2/04 1:38 p.m.
           Re: I completely disagree in every way.MacDjinn 12/4/04 2:42 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2ctishman 12/2/04 1:17 a.m.
     What game have you been playing?C-B 12/2/04 2:50 a.m.
           Re: What game have you been playing?TalkingElmo 12/2/04 4:50 a.m.
                 Re: What game have you been playing?C-B 12/2/04 5:39 a.m.
                       Re: What game have you been playing?TalkingElmo 12/2/04 5:50 a.m.
                             Re: What game have you been playing?C-B 12/2/04 6:32 a.m.
                                   Re: What game have you been playing?TalkingElmo 12/2/04 11:14 a.m.
                                         Re: What game have you been playing?C-B 12/2/04 5:05 p.m.
     Thank You MothergoatStanton 12/2/04 3:38 a.m.
           Re: Thank You MothergoatTalkingElmo 12/2/04 5:56 a.m.
     THIS IS NOT A REVIEWMothergoat 12/2/04 8:32 a.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Mathijs Buster 12/2/04 11:04 a.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2AZC 12/2/04 11:40 a.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2True Monkey King 12/2/04 11:44 a.m.
                 Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2madcowjim 12/2/04 12:06 p.m.
     pistol and the bansheespaceghost 12/2/04 11:48 a.m.
           Re: pistol and the bansheeMothergoat 12/2/04 1:45 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Strangepurple 12/2/04 11:57 a.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Strangepurple 12/2/04 11:58 a.m.
                 He Writes for www.Lawrence.com *NM*Mintz08 12/2/04 12:30 p.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Mothergoat 12/2/04 1:48 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2MegaManfre 12/2/04 12:23 p.m.
     A Few CommentsSyracuse022 12/2/04 12:29 p.m.
           Re: A Few CommentsStrangepurple 12/2/04 12:38 p.m.
           EXACTLYMikeMan445 12/2/04 1:49 p.m.
                 Re: EXACTLYMothergoat 12/2/04 1:56 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2FauxHammer 12/2/04 12:36 p.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Mothergoat 12/2/04 2:00 p.m.
                 Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2FauxHammer 12/2/04 3:00 p.m.
     Thank YouBeoren 12/2/04 1:04 p.m.
     Of Physics - Clarificationmothergoat 12/2/04 1:08 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Fathersheep 12/2/04 1:13 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2HALOHUMAN 12/2/04 1:21 p.m.
     Well written... *NM*CYBRFRK 12/2/04 1:32 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2MthdDirector 12/2/04 1:40 p.m.
     My say on the matterscottisonfire 12/2/04 1:58 p.m.
           Maybe i'm crazy but here's what i thinkGhentec 12/2/04 6:22 p.m.
                 Re: Maybe i'm crazy but here's what i thinkscottisonfire 12/2/04 8:36 p.m.
     Re: lol "when keepin' it real goes wrong" *NM*Mantis819 12/2/04 2:01 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Gotenks1215 12/2/04 2:15 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Blue Dragon 12/2/04 2:48 p.m.
     Reaction to Mothergoat and othersMa1agate 12/2/04 3:08 p.m.
           Re: Reaction to Mothergoat and othersMothergoat 12/2/04 3:26 p.m.
                 Re: Reaction to Mothergoat and othersMadMan42 12/2/04 4:51 p.m.
     I loved halo 2 (*ending was great*)MacDjinn 12/2/04 4:25 p.m.
           Halo 2 is better (rant)Trainee 12/2/04 5:34 p.m.
                 Realistic vs feeling RealBey Bey Bey 12/3/04 8:40 a.m.
     Right there with yaRockhard 12/2/04 4:32 p.m.
     halo 1 on liveLatekid 12/2/04 4:45 p.m.
           Halo 1.5smitty15 12/2/04 6:47 p.m.
     Halo 2 was rushed? What about Halo 1?!?!Bey Bey Bey 12/2/04 5:07 p.m.
           Re: Halo 2 was rushed? What about Halo 1?!?!Trainee 12/2/04 5:40 p.m.
           Re: Halo 2 was rushed? What about Halo 1?!?!madcowjim 12/2/04 5:55 p.m.
                 Re: Halo 2 was rushed? What about Halo 1?!?!Bey Bey Bey 12/3/04 8:25 a.m.
           Re: Halo 2 was rushed? What about Halo 1?!?!jfitzell 12/2/04 6:59 p.m.
                 Re: Halo 2 was rushed? What about Halo 1?!?!Bey Bey Bey 12/3/04 8:08 a.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Hallway Giant 12/2/04 5:11 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Let_Me_Live 12/2/04 5:37 p.m.
     YAH2OOmniscient 12/2/04 6:34 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2eiii 12/2/04 6:50 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2MthdDirector 12/2/04 7:44 p.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Fr0stbyte124 12/2/04 10:07 p.m.
     Missing: sensation?coldfreak 12/2/04 7:58 p.m.
           Re: Missing: sensation?Strangepurple 12/2/04 8:29 p.m.
           Re: Missing: sensation?Bey Bey Bey 12/3/04 1:00 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2MSN 12/2/04 9:37 p.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Strangepurple 12/2/04 10:39 p.m.
                 Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2ThorsHammer 12/2/04 11:22 p.m.
                       Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Strangepurple 12/2/04 11:45 p.m.
                             Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2no7orious 12/3/04 3:42 a.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2no7orious 12/3/04 3:44 a.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2vector40 12/2/04 9:49 p.m.
           Dude!KOPD 12/2/04 10:02 p.m.
           Halo againzedd 12/2/04 10:11 p.m.
           The most eloquent response, by far.MikeMan445 12/3/04 1:54 a.m.
                 Now...vector40 12/3/04 5:20 a.m.
                       Re: Now...Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 12/3/04 7:57 a.m.
                 Re: The most eloquent response, by far.Mothergoat 12/3/04 8:53 a.m.
                       Re: The most eloquent response, by far.Fr0stbyte124 12/3/04 3:00 p.m.
                       Re: The most eloquent response, by far.vector40 12/3/04 8:56 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Starkillah 12/3/04 1:05 a.m.
     reviews like this are killing the communityfludblud 12/3/04 2:39 a.m.
           Re: reviews like this are killing the communityno7orious 12/3/04 3:39 a.m.
                 Re: reviews like this are killing the communityEric 12/3/04 5:08 a.m.
                       Re: reviews like this are killing the communityno7orious 12/3/04 6:09 a.m.
                             Re: reviews like this are killing the communityEric 12/3/04 5:35 p.m.
           Re: reviews like this are killing the communitySep7imus [subnova] 12/3/04 8:32 a.m.
                 Re: reviews like this are killing the communityMothergoat 12/3/04 8:45 a.m.
                 Re: reviews like this are killing the communityfludblud 12/5/04 1:53 a.m.
     95% agreement *NM*HK HUNTRKILLR 12/3/04 6:05 a.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2NokMok 12/3/04 8:44 a.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Sep7imus [subnova] 12/3/04 9:06 a.m.
                 Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2NokMok 12/3/04 12:28 p.m.
                       Re: of XBL / system Link Co-OpSep7imus [subnova] 12/3/04 12:32 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Ruum 12/3/04 3:48 p.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Jammaster 12/3/04 11:25 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2[§]Zéù$ 12/4/04 1:56 p.m.
     Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Infininja 12/5/04 1:22 a.m.
           Re: Mothergoat's Second Opinion of Halo 2Sovietvalor 12/15/04 7:01 p.m.



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