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| Re: Why Halo's Objective Gametypes Suck - Part 1 | |
| Posted By: Pkmnrulz240 | Date: 3/19/12 12:49 p.m. |
In Response To: Why Halo's Objective Gametypes Suck - Part 1 (RC Master) First thing: There is a typo in the first sentence of the paragraph starting with "While the dominant team..." :) Next: I just want to make some quick comments on your highlights, and then I'll get to my thoughts about the first section of your article. : Highlights: Team Objective has most gametypes, but very few players. Halo 1 was famous for, among many other things, its epic games of CTF. I think I rarely played any assault games back then, and it wasn't a "bomb armed, wait X amount of seconds" thing like it is now. Territories? Halo 2's BS. Oddball and King were in there, but I feel like they weren't nearly as well-enjoyed as CTF. CTF really should have its own playlist, and ball, territories, KOTH assault should all be lumped in another playlist. Why don't I play more objective? Because I don't want to get stuck with one of those 10 minutes of horror gametypes. There is nothing fun about being a sitting duck in a marked hill or carrying a skull with an indicator over your head screaming "COME AND KILL ME," especially if you're in matchmaking with randoms. There is no teamwork with random matchmaking players, and you perish extremely quickly without much of a chance. With CTF, you can at least observe your objective from a far and take up strategic positions to defend it, rather than sitting out in the open as a sitting duck with no help from your teammates. : Player Investment is a problem due to kill-conditioning Not sure I understand what you mean even after reading the article. I think this has something to do with the incentives of kills vs. objectives, but I don't want to assume. : But that wouldn’t matter if gametypes were better, and we can fix that too ^ : Theory for fun: Kill and win
I guess I'm not sure how this is a problem. There are always going to be instances in which one team is just much better at coordination of efforts and can just lock down the other team, preventing them from getting any kills or completing any objectives. I might not be fully understanding your point here either, so if I'm not, please elaborate. : And it allows this for an extended period of time: "Griefing"
Solution: Huge bonuses for game completion credits. Win a 3-cap to win flag game in under 5 minutes? Credits galore. You have to make sure that this is well-above any amount of credits that you could make by killing the other team for 10 more minutes, as well as any progress toward commendations. Of course, this could be abused with full parties in a hopper (10 people in a party go into a 5v5 objective playlist, for example), so you may need to disable this when you have enough people to fill more than one team in a playlist. : It’s unclear whether to attack or defend That's part of any capture the flag strategy. You don't immediately know what the other team is going to do, so you have to either take risks or play it safe. I'm not sure why this is a problem. : Unless you’re winning: then you just defend
Again, the introduction of unique bonuses could be interesting. Perhaps extra credits for things like shutting out an opponent in flag/bomb, holding them under 30 seconds in a territories/oddball game, completing a 3-cap flag game in < 5 minutes, things like that. I think these comments of mine covered your highlights and the actual in-depth discussion in the article fairly-well. I think the only thing left was objective incentives vs. kill incentives. I agree with your suggestions for the most part. I wouldn't turn down any rewards for kills in objective games (not that you suggesting doing so), since rarely do you have an objective game where the team with fewer kills accomplished their objective and won the game (and there is likely a strong correlation between most kills and victory in team games), but just make sure you increase (or create) rewards/incentives for completing objectives. Though you might want to watch out for more betrayals for objectives. People might start betraying their teammates more right before a flag cap just because they want more credits. Good article so far. I look forward to the next part.
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