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Re: My Thoughts *SPOILERS*
Posted By: 7he grunt w/a plasma pistolDate: 11/23/09 11:16 a.m.

In Response To: Re: My Thoughts *SPOILERS* (Quirel)


: Art Style: Yes, I understand that der Sangheilios is tropical and humid. That
: being said, however, the attempt to render this in harsh background colors
: and yellow tints failed, because it made the action harder to follow.
: Perhaps a more subtle color palette could have worked better, but it could
: hardly have turned out worse.

I would chalk this one up to differences between people. I had no problem following any of the action.

: Furthermore in the art department, we have the continuation of the overdose
: of Japanimation tropes, from the samurai Sangheili to the sehr Japanese
: style of architecture. I know that the Elites come from a very warrior-
: and honor-oriented society, but the extent to which this is translated
: into Japanese culture in Legends is far beyond the pale. Notably, Japanese
: stylization is absent from the games and from the novels. While some
: Nippon influence is likely to creep in, it's not, and it shouldn't be, too
: much to ask the animators and artists to come up with something a little
: more alien. It's not going to kill them. It's not going to kill sympathy
: for the Arbiter, as it didn't drive people away from playing him in Halo
: 2.

Frankie has stated that these two shorts (Babysitter and Duel) had the most Japanese influences. Sometimes artistic license can go a bit overboard with its source, just as they can show very little of where the inspiration came from. I might be wrong, but IIRC, part of the reasoning behind Legends was to show more of the Halo universe to fans, but also extend Halo to non-fans as well. With this in mind, I can understand why the Elites had a Japanese style, as this was a way of showing their culture, a culture similar to Japanese samurai. I also understand that, for as many people who can understand artistic license means an appearance that isn't 100% to what we know, there are just as many people who'll go "Hur, hur. Japanese aliens."

: Third objection to the art: The female Elite.
: Yes, almost everything has been said that must be said. There has been a lot
: of speculation as to what they look like (including some very, very (VERY
: VERY!) disturbing pictures at Deviantart.
: Overall, I must say that I'm disappointed that IG resorted to the boob job
: and hair to make her look female. Omitting the hair and the breasts, the
: smoother skin and smaller frame (Maybe wider hips?) would have been enough
: to set ihr apart from the males.

This is something we should take a moment to stop and think about. For the first time, we have seen a female Elite. Is she an example of every female Elite? I'd put as much faith in that thought as thinking that Paris Hilton is an accurate example of the average human female.

We have seen almost zero example of Elite physiology (sp?) beyond the average adult male. 8'6" tall, dark skin, no fur, lizard-like appearance. Han was smaller than Fal, and lighter in skin tone. This suggest that female Elites are of smaller build (7'-7'6" tall, maybe?) than males, and are more light brown/tan in appearance compared to a males dark brown.

As for the hair and breast structure, again this is the first Elite female we've seen. We have not seen Elite young, so there is a possibility that they are born with a light layer of fur. As they'd grow, the fur would disappear, leaving the lizard-like appearance we know. Females may still keep a main of fur around the head and neck area, similar to male lions. The breast structure was a stylistic choice, as has been said. It was, for the major part, unimportant, and didn't stand out to me until I read the complaints about it here.

: -Einen Uber-Jager ist todt... but what about the other two Hunters? Were they
: taken out by the invisible army that the Arbiter was training in the first
: half of the movie? And was there really any reason to have the Arbiter
: kill an army of a hundred without incurring a single scratch?

Fal was a skilled fighter. The Halo games themselves have shown us that a single soldier (the Master Chief) has the ability to march through an entire enemy army and emerge the sole survivor. Also, it appeared that we didn't see the entirety of the battle. How did Fal flip the Wraith tank high into the air with nothing but a pair of energy swords? (Though I thought that he had somehow thrown that Wraith into one of the Hunters, making for two Hunters down that we could see.)

: -I know the circle-while-watching-your-challenger-for-thirty-seconds and the
: blood geyser are anime tropes, and these are anime studios, but one can't
: help but feel that they are: A: Over the top, and not in a good way.
: B: Sacrifices precious time in a thirty minute episode that can be better
: used on "Characterization, characterization, characterization."

I felt that the circling fit nicely. Many animals in nature do it as a way of sizing up your opponent, and also as a way his movements to see if you can find an opening. The blood gush was exactly that, a stylistic choice commonly used in the anime medium. Compare all the other wopunds inflicted upon enemies by the Arbiter. Not one of them showed a massive spray of blood. This was a (slightly over the top) way of showing that the Arbiter had recieved a fatal wound. If it were to have been done, say, in a game cutscene, we wouldn't have seen that much blood.

: -Seriously, what is with the applied Handwavium metal swords that can block
: energy blades? Isn't the primary advantage (And the only reason such
: weapons would work against people armed with assault rifles) of the energy
: sword that it passes THROUGH flesh and matter, burning as it goes along?
: Ich kann nicht wait for that to be represented in games.

I would look at that as a way of marking out key characters. The swords had an identical appearance to regular energy swords, with the sole exception that they were coloured grey. Everyone who had a blue sword was someone we, the audience, should have been focused on. The Arbiter, the leader of the group of Elites in the beginning, the two Elites whose swords the Arbiter took when his died. Important character or not, all of them played an important part in the short.

My only major complaint with the short is that I felt it would have had more of an impact if Fal had come to find Han's body while still clad in his armor. I understand that there could have been a moment off screen where he was removing the armor and learned of Haka's attack on his home, thus he entered in his robes. It just seemed a touch odd to me, especially with him immediately donning his armor again to fight Haka.

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                 I think...TDSpiral 11/21/09 2:27 a.m.
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                             Outstanding read... *NM*GrimBrother One 11/21/09 2:28 p.m.
                             Wow. This should be on the HSP *NM*Rosco-128 11/21/09 5:17 p.m.
           Re: [Halo Waypoint] The Duel is online *SPOILERS*Hedgemony 11/20/09 7:45 p.m.
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     My Thoughts *SPOILERS*newguy2445 11/20/09 8:19 p.m.
           Re: My Thoughts *SPOILERS*Frankie 11/20/09 8:26 p.m.
                 Re: My Thoughts *SPOILERS*newguy2445 11/20/09 11:05 p.m.
                 Re: My Thoughts *SPOILERS*Quirel 11/23/09 12:47 a.m.
                       Re: My Thoughts *SPOILERS*7he grunt w/a plasma pistol 11/23/09 11:16 a.m.
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     Isn't up yet. :(Gravemind 11/20/09 11:41 p.m.
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                 Re: Isn't up yet. :(Gravemind 11/21/09 12:03 a.m.
                       Re: Isn't up yet. :(newguy2445 11/21/09 12:11 a.m.
                             Re: Isn't up yet. :(Frankie 11/21/09 12:33 a.m.
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                                         How's Reach? *NM*Chris101b 11/21/09 12:47 a.m.
                                               Re: How's Reach?newguy2445 11/21/09 1:06 a.m.
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                                                                       Re: How's Reach?SonofMacPhisto 11/21/09 1:20 p.m.
                                                                             ZOMG, LOL!!!! *NM* *NM*AngelicLionheart 11/21/09 1:23 p.m.
                                                                             Winter 2012... No official date yet *NM*Chris101b 11/21/09 7:27 p.m.
           Re: Isn't up yet. :(Chris101b 11/21/09 2:14 a.m.
     My thoughts [mad spoilz]Vincent 11/21/09 2:37 a.m.
           Re: My thoughts [mad spoilz]Chris101b 11/21/09 2:46 a.m.
     Impressions *SP*scarab 11/21/09 3:17 a.m.
     To Frankie, from me: *Das Spoilerz, Ja*AngelicLionheart 11/21/09 3:18 a.m.
           Re: To Frankie, from me: *Das Spoilerz, Ja*Vincent 11/21/09 3:28 a.m.
           Re: To Frankie, from me: *Das Spoilerz, Ja*scarab 11/21/09 3:30 a.m.
                 Re: To Frankie, from me: *Das Spoilerz, Ja*AngelicLionheart 11/21/09 3:42 a.m.
                       PS... *also Das Spoilers, Ja Ja*AngelicLionheart 11/21/09 3:45 a.m.
                       Re: To Frankie, from me: *Das Spoilerz, Ja*scarab 11/21/09 4:09 a.m.
                             Re: To Frankie, from me: *Das Spoilerz, Ja*AngelicLionheart 11/21/09 12:42 p.m.
           Re: To Frankie, from me: *Das Spoilerz, Ja*Bry 11/21/09 4:57 a.m.
     That female Elite looks like a Na'avi. *NM*BlueNinja 11/21/09 4:46 a.m.
     Wow. Just wow. *SP*Avateur 11/21/09 5:13 a.m.
           Re: Wow. Just wow. *SP*scarab 11/21/09 5:51 a.m.
                 Re: Wow. Just wow. *SP*Bry 11/21/09 6:56 a.m.
                       Re: Wow. Just wow. *SP*scarab 11/21/09 7:15 a.m.
                             Re: Wow. Just wow. *SP*Bry 11/21/09 7:28 a.m.
                                   Re: Wow. Just wow. *SP*scarab 11/21/09 9:50 a.m.
                                         Re: Wow. Just wow. *SP*General Vagueness 11/21/09 10:17 p.m.
                 Re: Wow. Just wow. *SP*General Vagueness 11/21/09 9:49 p.m.
           Re: Wow. Just wow. *SP*pete_the_duck 11/21/09 8:54 a.m.
                 Re: Wow. Just wow. *SP*Avateur 11/21/09 1:12 p.m.
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                                                     fan fics *NM*rolandk73 11/22/09 2:33 p.m.
                                                     Re: Boobs rock, and other matters.Vincent 11/22/09 2:34 p.m.
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                                                           Re: Boobs rock, and other matters.SonofMacPhisto 11/22/09 3:01 p.m.
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                                                                             Re: Boobs rock, and other matters.SonofMacPhisto 11/22/09 3:26 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Boobs rock, and other matters.SonofMacPhisto 11/22/09 3:44 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Boobs rock, and other matters.Bry 11/22/09 4:27 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Boobs rock, and other matters.Fil Storamee 11/22/09 5:25 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Boobs rock, and other matters.markz------WebKitFormBoundary2DB+IQUWVoo3pTr4 11/22/09 5:34 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Boobs rock, and other matters.Bry 11/22/09 5:47 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Boobs rock, and other matters.Fil Storamee 11/22/09 5:58 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Boobs rock, and other matters.SonofMacPhisto 11/22/09 6:06 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Boobs rock, and other matters.Fil Storamee 11/22/09 6:38 p.m.
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                                                                                                     Re: Boobs rock, and other matters.markz------WebKitFormBoundary2DB+IQUWVoo3pTr4 11/22/09 6:24 p.m.
                             The Duel, in a nutshellIccaRa 11/21/09 2:29 p.m.
                                   lol, nice. *NM* *NM*SonofMacPhisto 11/21/09 2:56 p.m.
                                   Re: The Duel, in a nutshellGravemind 11/21/09 4:14 p.m.
                                         Will spartans do?Vincent 11/21/09 4:24 p.m.
           'There was honor in our Covenant once...'SonofMacPhisto 11/21/09 1:11 p.m.
     I've seen a lot of things in my life...Metalingus627 11/21/09 7:31 a.m.
           This was better than the last one.Tighclops 11/21/09 5:08 p.m.
     OkayIccaRa 11/21/09 9:26 a.m.
           Re: OkayAzo 'Galvat 11/21/09 10:37 a.m.
                 Re: Okaygunluva 11/21/09 10:52 a.m.
                       Re: OkayAzo 'Galvat 11/21/09 11:25 a.m.
           Re: Okayscarab 11/21/09 10:46 a.m.
                 Re: OkayBry 11/21/09 10:58 a.m.
                 Re: OkayIccaRa 11/21/09 10:59 a.m.
           Re: OkayFrankie 11/21/09 11:14 a.m.
                 Re: OkayBry 11/21/09 11:26 a.m.
                       Re: Okay7he grunt w/a plasma pistol 11/21/09 11:39 a.m.
                             Re: OkayBry 11/21/09 11:46 a.m.
                                   Re: Okay7he grunt w/a plasma pistol 11/21/09 11:58 a.m.
                                   Re: OkayFrankie 11/21/09 12:05 p.m.
                                         Re: OkayBry 11/21/09 12:14 p.m.
                 Re: OkayAzo 'Galvat 11/21/09 11:27 a.m.
                 Re: OkayIccaRa 11/21/09 11:33 a.m.
                       Re: Okay addendumIccaRa 11/21/09 11:56 a.m.
                             Re: Okay addendumscarab 11/21/09 12:02 p.m.
                                   Re: Okay addendumIccaRa 11/21/09 12:35 p.m.
                                         Give in to the dark side *NM*scarab 11/21/09 1:14 p.m.
                                   Re: Okay addendumFrankie 11/21/09 12:35 p.m.
                                         Re: Okay addendumAzo 'Galvat 11/21/09 1:13 p.m.
                                         Re: Okay addendumZeouterlimits 11/21/09 5:26 p.m.
                                         Re: Okay addendumreprobate 11/22/09 1:50 a.m.
                 Re: Okayscarab 11/21/09 11:43 a.m.
                       Re: OkayIccaRa 11/21/09 11:48 a.m.
                             Re: Okayscarab 11/21/09 11:53 a.m.
                                   Re: OkayFrankie 11/21/09 11:59 a.m.
                                         Re: Okayscarab 11/21/09 12:10 p.m.
                                               Re: OkayBry 11/21/09 12:18 p.m.
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                                         Originsvlad89 11/23/09 6:15 a.m.
                                               Re: OriginsUNSC_Trooper 11/23/09 12:13 p.m.
                                   Re: OkayBry 11/21/09 12:10 p.m.
                                   Re: OkayIccaRa 11/21/09 12:22 p.m.
                                         or what Frankie said, lols. *NM* *NM*IccaRa 11/21/09 12:23 p.m.
           Re: OkaySonofMacPhisto 11/21/09 1:13 p.m.
                 Re: OkayBry 11/21/09 1:24 p.m.
                       Re: OkaySonofMacPhisto 11/21/09 2:57 p.m.
                             Re: OkayBry 11/21/09 3:02 p.m.
                                   Re: OkaySonofMacPhisto 11/21/09 3:05 p.m.
                 But think of the cooties *NM*IccaRa 11/21/09 1:41 p.m.
                       Re: But think of the cootiesSonofMacPhisto 11/21/09 3:10 p.m.
           Re: Okaymarkz------WebKitFormBoundary2DB+IQUWVoo3pTr4 11/22/09 4:32 a.m.
     HE'S A DEMON! *shank'd*gunluva 11/21/09 9:34 a.m.
           He is the demons!IccaRa 11/21/09 11:07 a.m.
                 Re: He is the demons!rolandk73 11/21/09 12:00 p.m.
                       Re: He is the demons!Metalingus627 11/21/09 12:38 p.m.
                             Re: He is the demons!Frankie 11/21/09 12:41 p.m.
                                   Re: He is the demons!IccaRa 11/21/09 12:45 p.m.
                                         Re: He is the demons!gunluva 11/21/09 12:58 p.m.
                                               Re: He is the demons!IccaRa 11/21/09 1:03 p.m.
                                               Re: He is the demons!SonofMacPhisto 11/21/09 1:16 p.m.
                                         Re: He is the demons!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/21/09 3:53 p.m.
                                               Re: He is the demons!Frankie 11/21/09 4:59 p.m.
                                                     Re: He is the demons!SonofMacPhisto 11/21/09 5:20 p.m.
                                                     Re: He is the demons!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/21/09 10:07 p.m.
                                                           Re: He is the demons!Bry 11/22/09 2:34 a.m.
                                                                 Re: He is the demons!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/22/09 2:24 p.m.
                                                                       Re: He is the demons!Vincent 11/22/09 2:32 p.m.
                                                                       Re: He is the demons!Bry 11/22/09 2:42 p.m.
                                                                             Re: He is the demons!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/22/09 5:22 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: He is the demons!Bry 11/22/09 5:26 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: He is the demons!rolandk73 11/22/09 5:28 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: He is the demons!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/22/09 5:43 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: He is the demons!Bry 11/22/09 6:26 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: He is the demons!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/22/09 10:20 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: He is the demons!Bry 11/23/09 3:28 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: He is the demons!SonofMacPhisto 11/23/09 9:41 a.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: He is the demons!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/23/09 10:11 a.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: He is the demons!Bry 11/23/09 11:19 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: He is the demons!General Vagueness 11/23/09 11:58 a.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: He is the demons!Bry 11/23/09 1:52 p.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: He is the demons!General Vagueness 11/23/09 6:22 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: He is the demons!Document 11/24/09 3:32 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: He is the demons!Bry 11/24/09 4:21 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: He is the demons!Document 11/24/09 4:47 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: He is the demons!Bry 11/24/09 5:17 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: He is the demons!Document 11/24/09 5:26 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: He is the demons!Bry 11/24/09 5:30 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: He is the demons!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/24/09 8:29 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: He is the demons!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/24/09 8:37 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: He is the demons!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/24/09 8:16 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: He is the demons!Bry 11/25/09 2:19 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: He is the demons!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/25/09 6:19 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: He is the demons!Bry 11/25/09 7:15 a.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: He is the demons!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/25/09 8:22 a.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: He is the demons!Bry 11/25/09 8:56 a.m.
                                                                                         No! Bad Document!Riceatron 11/24/09 5:27 p.m.
                                                                                               AlsoRiceatron 11/24/09 5:28 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: No! Bad Document!Bry 11/24/09 5:39 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: No! Bad Document!Mercury 11/24/09 5:45 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: No! Bad Document!Bry 11/24/09 5:53 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: No! Bad Document!SonofMacPhisto 11/24/09 5:54 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: No! Bad Document!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/24/09 8:20 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: No! Bad Document!Document 11/24/09 7:39 p.m.
                                   Re: He is the demons!Avateur 11/21/09 1:18 p.m.
           Re: HE'S A DEMON! *shank'd*Zeouterlimits 11/21/09 11:43 a.m.
           "Men of Sanghelios"bluerunner 11/21/09 4:04 p.m.
                 Re: "Men of Sanghelios"Vincent 11/21/09 4:10 p.m.
                       Re: "Men of Sanghelios"Frankie 11/21/09 4:58 p.m.
                             Re: "Men of Sanghelios"Bry 11/21/09 5:10 p.m.
                                   Re: "Men of Sanghelios"Eaite Randjam 11/22/09 9:52 a.m.
                                         Re: "Men of Sanghelios"Fil Storamee 11/22/09 1:53 p.m.
     I loved this, thoroughly *SP, of course*serpx 11/21/09 4:03 p.m.
     Watched it. Loved it.Gravemind 11/21/09 5:51 p.m.
     Fal's MovementsSonofMacPhisto 11/21/09 6:35 p.m.
           Re: Fal's MovementsBry 11/21/09 6:40 p.m.
           Fal was greatrolandk73 11/22/09 5:09 p.m.
     The Duel vs. Halo 2Tex 11/22/09 10:42 a.m.
           Re: The Duel vs. Halo 2rolandk73 11/22/09 5:26 p.m.
     EUREKA I have found itrolandk73 11/22/09 2:44 p.m.
           Re: EUREKA I have found itVincent 11/22/09 2:50 p.m.
                 Re: EUREKA I have found itrolandk73 11/22/09 3:03 p.m.
           Re: EUREKA I have found it, fools gold!Hedgemony 11/22/09 6:13 p.m.
           Re: EUREKA I have found itLeisandir 11/22/09 8:52 p.m.
     Re: [Halo Waypoint] The Duel is onlineT07WRX5 11/23/09 8:26 a.m.



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