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Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LO
Posted By: RVideo <racer4770@aim.com>Date: 1/11/07 6:18 a.m.

In Response To: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LONG (Cody Miller)


: I just found DanteThePoet's critique of gender usage in Halo 2 , and thought
: that is was actually a pretty fascinating topic. I was suprised that the
: thread wasn't longer. Seeing as how he wanted feedback, I thought I'd
: chime in with my own thoughts. Dante seemed to give the game a glowing
: review when it came to gender equality and stereotypes. I'm going to throw
: out my thoughts about the three females he analyzes (Cortana, Miranda, and
: the female marines.)

: At first it would seem that women are given equal status in the Halo
: universe. With Halo 2 in particular, we fight along side female marines,
: and no particular fuss is made. These marines are not sexualized; in fact
: they closely resemble their male counterparts. However, it is quite ironic
: that in order to gain equality, women must take on traditionally masculine
: roles. The female marines do not seem to have much femininity left, as
: many such feminine traits are obscured by their costumes, and military
: behavior. The very idea of a soldier and a fighter is traditionally
: masculine, and so while these women gain equality, they do it at the
: expense of their feminine identity. The marines still equate femininity
: with weakness ("Did you forget your purse?" and other remarks),
: reenforcing the notion that femininity is undesirable.

Ive never been in the military, much less in real combat. I could imagine, however, that during times of real combat, you know, the kind where you could be dead 3 minutes from now, that the mindset of 'we got a job to do' probably takes a mental front seat over and above procreation.
I remember somewhere in my dusted and ancient past, learning about the mind's hierarchy of needs. (Immediate) Survival first, food, shelter, and so on. Flirting comes much later only when the previous primitive needs are not in immediate jeopardy.

We never rly saw any female marines at ease, such as in a rec room. Thus, there was apparently no mechanism for 'character building' to see what they may be like, in say, non combat conditions.

Let's face it. If you're entire planet is under immediate threat from wierd looking aliens in technologically superior machinery, the last thing you are going to think about is chasing tail.

As I said, I have no military experience, but I might suppose that, hypothetically, if you were to 'hit on' a female during times of active combat, that you are not only putting yourself at risk of dying, you are risking your whole squads integrity as well.

There may be arguable times in Campaign (such as in the elevator) where you seem to not be in immediate jeopardy, but shouldnt you always stay frosty, since the elevators ride will probably end soon?

I believe that they scripted their roles well. The only suggestion would be a little more character building, in particular, during non-combat portions of campaign, if any.

Think of it this way: Say one of the female marines' lines were flirty. Would that be the logical choice? Would anyone do that in REAL combat? Or would it make the game seem campy and poorly written?


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Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LONGCody Miller 1/10/07 9:32 p.m.
     Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOJman 1/10/07 10:12 p.m.
           sOT: quote formattingLouis Wu 1/11/07 5:40 a.m.
           Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOJillybean 1/11/07 7:10 a.m.
                 Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOLouis Wu 1/11/07 8:03 a.m.
     Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOLittlebigman 1/10/07 10:50 p.m.
     Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOQsExile 1/10/07 10:55 p.m.
     Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOscarab 1/11/07 12:08 a.m.
           Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOQsExile 1/11/07 12:26 a.m.
                 Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOscarab 1/11/07 7:11 a.m.
                       Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOhnc 1/11/07 4:00 p.m.
           OMG!MffnMn 1/11/07 7:15 p.m.
                 Re: OMG!QsExile 1/11/07 10:59 p.m.
           Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOSlimby 1/12/07 5:49 p.m.
     Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOcypher 1/11/07 1:15 a.m.
     Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOJillybean 1/11/07 2:54 a.m.
           Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOMrAlexZander 1/11/07 3:07 a.m.
                 Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOSniping Ajax 1/11/07 2:12 p.m.
           Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOLouis Wu 1/11/07 5:59 a.m.
                 Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOJillybean 1/11/07 7:07 a.m.
                       Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOSep7imus [subnova] 1/11/07 8:31 a.m.
                             Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOJillybean 1/11/07 10:19 a.m.
                             Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOSniping Ajax 1/11/07 2:04 p.m.
                       Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LODanteThePoet 1/11/07 12:11 p.m.
                             Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOWraith7n 1/11/07 12:17 p.m.
                                   Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOSep7imus [subnova] 1/11/07 12:20 p.m.
                                         Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LODangerousHippo 1/11/07 4:01 p.m.
                             Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOSep7imus [subnova] 1/11/07 12:18 p.m.
                                   Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LODanteThePoet 1/11/07 12:38 p.m.
                                         Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOSep7imus [subnova] 1/11/07 12:50 p.m.
                                               Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LODanteThePoet 1/11/07 12:52 p.m.
                                   Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOtarehart 1/11/07 3:55 p.m.
                             Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOCody Miller 1/11/07 12:21 p.m.
                                   Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOMullet Man 1/13/07 8:42 p.m.
                       Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOQuantum 1/11/07 6:32 p.m.
                       Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOMullet Man 1/13/07 8:33 p.m.
                             But how decreased?DanteThePoet 1/14/07 12:16 a.m.
           Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOBrian Graham 1/11/07 2:57 p.m.
                 Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LODanteThePoet 1/14/07 6:16 p.m.
     Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOreprobate 1/11/07 3:13 a.m.
     Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LORVideo 1/11/07 6:18 a.m.
           Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOWraith7n 1/11/07 8:43 a.m.
     Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOSep7imus [subnova] 1/11/07 7:02 a.m.
           Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOscarab 1/11/07 7:29 a.m.
                 Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOJillybean 1/11/07 10:23 a.m.
                       Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOCody Miller 1/11/07 12:28 p.m.
     Femininity eh??N1NJ4 1/11/07 10:23 a.m.
           Re: Femininity eh??Jillybean 1/11/07 10:42 a.m.
                 Re: Femininity eh??Ross Mills [subnova] 1/11/07 11:19 a.m.
                 Re: Femininity eh??The More Deluded 1/11/07 12:09 p.m.
                 Re: Femininity eh??N1NJ4 1/11/07 12:32 p.m.
                       Re: Femininity eh??Jillybean 1/11/07 12:47 p.m.
                             Re: Femininity eh??Wraith7n 1/11/07 12:52 p.m.
                                   Re: Femininity eh??Jillybean 1/11/07 12:54 p.m.
                                         Re: Femininity eh??Wraith7n 1/11/07 12:57 p.m.
                                               Re: Femininity eh??Jillybean 1/11/07 12:59 p.m.
                                                     Re: Femininity eh??The More Deluded 1/11/07 1:07 p.m.
                                                           Re: Femininity eh??Wraith7n 1/11/07 1:12 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Femininity eh??raptor117 1/11/07 1:20 p.m.
                                                                       DAMN! a minute too late :) *NM*The More Deluded 1/11/07 1:22 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Femininity eh??The More Deluded 1/11/07 1:21 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Femininity eh??QsExile 1/12/07 12:48 a.m.
                 She Speaks No Lie...Mintz 1/11/07 5:10 p.m.
           Re: Femininity eh??hnc 1/11/07 4:40 p.m.
     Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LO*THASF* A.K.A. The Halo And Sonic Fan 1/11/07 10:30 a.m.
     Why?Pinkuh 1/11/07 11:11 a.m.
           Re: Why?Sep7imus [subnova] 1/11/07 11:59 a.m.
           Re: Why?Omak2007 1/11/07 11:59 a.m.
           Re: Why?mercury 1/11/07 12:03 p.m.
                 Re: Why?Pinkuh 1/11/07 12:11 p.m.
                       Re: Why?Wraith7n 1/11/07 12:19 p.m.
                             LOL *NM*huskerblackshrt 1/11/07 8:21 p.m.
           Re: Why?yakaman 1/11/07 12:30 p.m.
                 Re: Why?raptor117 1/11/07 1:18 p.m.
                       Re: Why?hnc 1/11/07 4:25 p.m.
                             Re: Why?raptor117 1/11/07 6:36 p.m.
                                   Re: Why?hnc 1/12/07 10:44 a.m.
                                         Re: Why?raptor117 1/12/07 11:22 a.m.
           I personally had a conversation with Statan.DanteThePoet 1/11/07 12:48 p.m.
                 Re: I personally had a conversation with Statan.Melkor 1/11/07 4:56 p.m.
                       Re: I personally had a conversation with Statan.The More Deluded 1/11/07 5:57 p.m.
                             Re: I personally had a conversation with Statan.Wraith7n 1/11/07 7:20 p.m.
                                   Same person. *NM*DanteThePoet 1/12/07 1:44 a.m.
           Re: Why?Jillybean 1/11/07 12:50 p.m.
                 Re: Why?reprobate 1/11/07 4:46 p.m.
     Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOWraith7n 1/11/07 12:06 p.m.
           Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOThe More Deluded 1/11/07 1:59 p.m.
                 Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOWraith7n 1/11/07 2:05 p.m.
     I don't really have any more to say except...DanteThePoet 1/11/07 12:16 p.m.
           Re: I don't really have any more to say except...Sep7imus [subnova] 1/11/07 12:29 p.m.
                 Re: I don't really have any more to say except...Schedonnardus 1/11/07 12:39 p.m.
                 Re: I don't really have any more to say except...DanteThePoet 1/11/07 12:45 p.m.
                       Re: I don't really have any more to say except...hnc 1/11/07 4:32 p.m.
           And further...DanteThePoet 1/11/07 12:35 p.m.
                 Re: And further...Endbringer 1/11/07 1:23 p.m.
           Re: I don't really have any more to say except...hnc 1/11/07 3:54 p.m.
           Re: I don't really have any more to say except...houseoftang 1/11/07 7:22 p.m.
           Re: I don't really have any more to say except...Cody Miller 1/12/07 1:38 p.m.
                 Re: I don't really have any more to say except...Brian Graham 1/12/07 3:12 p.m.
                 Re: I don't really have any more to say except...houseoftang 1/12/07 5:51 p.m.
                 Re: I don't really have any more to say except...Black Guard 1/13/07 5:32 a.m.
     Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOCANTANATRIX 1/11/07 12:21 p.m.
     Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOHellhawk 1/11/07 4:09 p.m.
     We may have overlooked one little plot issueRVideo 1/11/07 4:50 p.m.
           Re: We may have overlooked one little plot issueUrsusArctos 1/12/07 9:48 p.m.
     Gender in Halo Fan Fictionhouseoftang 1/11/07 6:37 p.m.
     Cortana: a Defence (R.E Gender)CANTANATRIX 1/11/07 8:09 p.m.
           Re: Cortana: a Defence (R.E Gender)Oo Sol oO 1/12/07 11:00 a.m.
     Re: Gender in Halo 2 (response to DanteThePoet) LOHipboyScott 1/12/07 4:00 p.m.



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