| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. |
| Posted By: Tarrsk <tarrsk@musician.org> | Date: 5/17/04 1:42 a.m. |
In Response To: Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. (Rams)
: For starters I personally didn't read them and frankly have no intention to
: (not my thing). By all accounts the author did a great job and should be
: commended on his work.
Then why are you complaining? If you haven't even bothered to read them yourself, I'm at a loss as to why this would cause you to get so worked up.
: That said many people didn't know it was fan fiction. Sorry to tell you this
: but not everyone looks at a site's source code. We aren't all
: "geeky" enough to start hunting down source codes and looking up
: related crap like that. I probably would have if I didn't first notice it
: during the busy E3 week and of course it ended so soon afterwords. But ask
: yourself why didn't they just say "hey here is some cool fan
: fiction". Why even give the impression that it was possibly real? Why
: not confirm it's status when it was brought up in the forums?
Because it's fun to speculate.
Because it's brought this community together in a way that hasn't been seen since Randy Glass first blasted a Warthog into the skies above the Silent Cartographer.
Because it was intruiging- the sheer glorious uncertainty was enough to get people like me to emerge from our shells and post our thoughts.
If Steve had revealed Enkidu to be a fanfic from day 1, do you honestly believe that all of this would have come to pass? The ignorance of the readers was a NECESSARY part of this work. So was the incremental, out-of-sequence reveal of events. I guarantee that if you read it for the first time now, from the first terminal to the last, you will miss out on a good part of what made the Enkidu Terminal story so good, simply because you will be reading them in chronological order.
: I'm not saying they had a malicious intent but they did intend to leave some
: doubt in people mind that it was mere fan fiction. If they didn't then why
: did I see so many posters here and at HBO that weren't sure?
Of course he intended it. It's part of what made the whole thing so fun. Do you think the Cortana letters would have been nearly as interesting if Nate had put "HEY GUYS I WROTE THIS AND I WORK AT BUNGIE!!!!!" on top of each one? Neither do I.
: And no it's not my fault that the true nature wasn't reveled from the start.
: It's the responsibility of the site director to approve what he places on
: his main site. It's just kind of sad that if Bungie does do something of
: this nature many people aren't going to simply play along and speculate
: but demand a real answer. I gave the benefit of the doubt once, I won't
: again.
Those of us who don't see it in terms of "duper vs dupee" certainly will. If Cortana started sending new letters tomorrow, you can bet your ass that I will be first in line to read and speculate about them. If nothing else, I'm even more excited about such a possible occurrence. Enkidu has re-awakened the fun I had poring over the Marathon Story Page back when I first got into Halo, in winter 2001.
The thing you aren't understanding is that the ambiguity of Enkidu is a necessary component of it. Standing alone, the story is still an excellently plotted, well-written, and exhaustively researched work. However, seen in this light, it is merely an excellent fanfic, on a world wide web full of excellent fanfic. When you add the ambiguity (aided, certainly, by the knowledge that Bungie has pulled this sort of trick before), an entire new dimension is revealed. We, the readers, became active participants in the Enkidu story. It was no longer reading text on a screen, but sitting around a campfire while the storyteller shaped his spell, the audience shouting encouragement, laughing together, whispering urgently at the tense moments, and feeling that cathartic commingling of happiness and sadness at the end.
There's nothing in the world less malicious than the Enkidu Terminals and their author. That people actually accuse Anton of duplicitous purpose rather than holding up his work alongside Warthog Jump, BungieLOVE, and Red vs. Blue as a paragon of the brilliance this community is capable of when creative people are set loose... well, frankly, it boggles my mind.
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To Anton:
Thanks. The amount of thought that went into the Enkidu Terminals is evident in every sentence. You've wrought something great upon this community, and I very much hope that Bungie is listening. They've got some compe7ition now. :)
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| Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/16/04 10:59 a.m. |
| Re: kudos. | Sep7imus [subnova] | 5/16/04 11:06 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Uriel | 5/16/04 11:06 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Stuntmutt | 5/16/04 11:08 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/16/04 12:21 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | monctezuma | 5/16/04 4:26 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Ryan G | 5/16/04 11:08 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Jagged | 5/16/04 7:26 p.m. |
| Kudos, then. | Jota Rota | 5/16/04 11:09 a.m. |
| Re: Kudos, then. | Walshicus | 5/16/04 11:23 a.m. |
| Re: Kudos, then. | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/16/04 11:38 a.m. |
| Re: Kudos, then. | Walshicus | 5/16/04 11:41 a.m. |
| Re: Frog blast the vent core! | Sep7imus [subnova] | 5/16/04 11:09 a.m. |
| Gah! | Blitzwolf | 5/16/04 11:11 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Stuntmutt | 5/16/04 11:14 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Tycho/Howard | 5/16/04 11:19 a.m. |
| You byfar are one of the best writers I have ever | Littlebigman | 5/16/04 11:23 a.m. |
| Re: You byfar are one of the best writers I have e | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/16/04 12:28 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Warlock | 5/16/04 11:26 a.m. |
| Thanks | Scipio | 5/16/04 11:32 a.m. |
| Re: Thanks | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/16/04 11:43 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Mogwong | 5/16/04 11:39 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Colopatiron | 5/16/04 11:47 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Mogwong | 5/16/04 11:49 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/16/04 11:53 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Colopatiron | 5/16/04 11:59 a.m. |
| Giant kudos and heartfelt thanks! | JKatkina | 5/16/04 11:47 a.m. |
| Re: Giant kudos and heartfelt thanks! | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/16/04 12:03 p.m. |
| Re: Giant kudos and heartfelt thanks! | JKatkina | 5/16/04 12:12 p.m. |
| Well done. | Wintermute @ work | 5/16/04 12:18 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Jota Rota | 5/16/04 12:20 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Milamber | 5/16/04 12:35 p.m. |
| Felt Like I Finished A Good Book =) *NM* | Fuzzy | 5/16/04 12:57 p.m. |
| Re: Felt Like I Finished A Good Book =) | Smeeisqualityfootrot | 5/16/04 7:49 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Mark Simmons | 5/16/04 1:05 p.m. |
| Great job, man, seriously. | Mr. Mechanical | 5/16/04 1:25 p.m. |
| Re: Great job, man, seriously. | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/16/04 1:29 p.m. |
| Re: Great job, man, seriously. | Colopatiron | 5/16/04 1:50 p.m. |
| Re: Great job, man, seriously. | Mr. Mechanical | 5/16/04 2:00 p.m. |
| Re: Great job, man, seriously. | Mr. Mechanical | 5/17/04 3:54 a.m. |
| Flame Time! | Exogenesis | 5/16/04 2:47 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | AeroJonesy | 5/16/04 3:27 p.m. |
| ... I guess I have to read it, sometime... | BOLL | 5/16/04 3:42 p.m. |
| Re: ... I guess I have to read it, sometime... | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/16/04 4:01 p.m. |
| Re: ... I guess I have to read it, sometime... | Wado SG | 5/16/04 7:08 p.m. |
| Kudos is not the right word. | Cerami | 5/16/04 3:52 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | whoaho! | 5/16/04 4:12 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/16/04 4:19 p.m. |
| So much fun I don't know where to start !! | Alexander Valient | 5/16/04 4:34 p.m. |
| Nice work | Ciarán | 5/16/04 5:02 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Wado SG | 5/16/04 6:06 p.m. |
| C&C | Celegur | 5/16/04 6:10 p.m. |
| Storyline in Games (was Re: C&C) | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/16/04 7:03 p.m. |
| Re: Storyline in Games (was Re: C&C) | Anonymous Coward 01 | 5/16/04 7:49 p.m. |
| Re: Storyline in Games (was Re: C&C) | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/16/04 8:10 p.m. |
| Re: Storyline in Games (was Re: C&C) | Celegur | 5/16/04 8:32 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Gre'Thor117 | 5/16/04 6:32 p.m. |
| Incredible work! Nice job :) *NM* | MikeMan445 | 5/16/04 6:43 p.m. |
| This is one darned big thread. | Saint | 5/16/04 7:11 p.m. |
| Ack! Stuck in awe | Akba | 5/16/04 8:00 p.m. |
| Hey, get the First Strike Mod Team on it! *NM* | Anonymous Coward 01 | 5/16/04 8:03 p.m. |
| Who cares? Just make it playable! *NM* | Alexander Valient | 5/16/04 9:07 p.m. |
| *clap, clap, clap* | MrFluffyPants | 5/16/04 8:15 p.m. |
| Wow | Jamirus99 | 5/16/04 8:47 p.m. |
| Very nice work. It was great! *NM* | Arteen | 5/16/04 9:14 p.m. |
| Great work, but... | BGH TankRamp | 5/16/04 10:00 p.m. |
| Re: Great work, but... | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/16/04 10:15 p.m. |
| Re: Great work, but... | Mogwong | 5/16/04 10:26 p.m. |
| Re: Great work, but... | Wado SG | 5/17/04 12:44 a.m. |
| It's been fun. | dizzy [subnova] | 5/16/04 10:55 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Khaim | 5/16/04 11:05 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Rams | 5/16/04 11:11 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | LostRock11 | 5/16/04 11:42 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | MC vince | 5/17/04 12:04 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Rams | 5/17/04 1:03 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Tarrsk | 5/17/04 1:42 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | MikeMan445 | 5/17/04 2:53 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Tarrsk | 5/17/04 3:27 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Rams | 5/17/04 4:50 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Tarrsk | 5/17/04 5:31 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Rams | 5/17/04 6:09 a.m. |
| My God. | MikeMan445 | 5/17/04 6:19 a.m. |
| Re: My God. | Rams | 5/17/04 6:28 a.m. |
| Re: My God. | Andrew Nagy | 5/21/04 2:22 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | MikeMan445 | 5/17/04 5:58 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Rams | 5/17/04 6:21 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Louis Wu | 5/17/04 11:46 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Rams | 5/17/04 8:44 p.m. |
| *tut* | Colopatiron | 5/17/04 8:58 p.m. |
| Predictions | Narcogen | 5/20/04 6:33 a.m. |
| Re: Predictions | Louis Wu | 5/20/04 8:27 a.m. |
| Re: Predictions | Narcogen | 5/21/04 12:17 a.m. |
| Re: Predictions | Wintermute @ work | 5/21/04 7:26 a.m. |
| Enkidu FLAMES and kudos | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/17/04 6:31 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu FLAMES and kudos | MikeMan445 | 5/17/04 6:43 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu FLAMES and kudos | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/17/04 7:00 a.m. |
| Even if you didn't look at the source code... | qw0ntum | 5/17/04 1:48 p.m. |
| Well done | Red Loser | 5/16/04 11:36 p.m. |
| *clap**clap* Well done. | 343winks | 5/16/04 11:54 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | SR Omniscient | 5/17/04 12:30 a.m. |
| Great job | Flamingbuddha | 5/17/04 1:27 a.m. |
| Just in case you missed it... | the Ouroboros | 5/17/04 1:29 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | daedalus | 5/17/04 1:38 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Rams | 5/17/04 2:22 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Tarrsk | 5/17/04 3:26 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Rams | 5/17/04 5:39 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Ciarán | 5/17/04 7:21 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/17/04 7:37 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Louis Wu | 5/17/04 12:21 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Rams | 5/17/04 8:45 p.m. |
| *arches brow* | the Ouroboros | 5/18/04 2:05 a.m. |
| Re: *arches brow* | Target4Hire | 5/18/04 12:44 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Narcogen | 5/20/04 6:47 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Louis Wu | 5/20/04 8:32 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Narcogen | 5/21/04 12:16 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Louis Wu | 5/21/04 8:28 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/21/04 6:01 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Andrew Nagy | 5/21/04 2:13 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Louis Wu | 5/21/04 2:22 p.m. |
| What's wrong with people? | Capo Rip | 5/21/04 7:27 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Wado SG | 5/17/04 1:00 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu and some HBO lovin' | Target4Hire | 5/17/04 4:06 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Rams | 5/17/04 8:47 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Rams | 5/17/04 8:48 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Miguel Chavez | 5/18/04 12:21 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Rams | 5/19/04 1:57 p.m. |
| flames & kudos: Explaining the negative feelings | Xraf | 5/20/04 11:05 a.m. |
| Re: flames & kudos: Explaining the negative feelin | the Ouroboros | 5/20/04 5:09 p.m. |
| Re: flames & kudos: Explaining the negative feelin | Xraf | 5/21/04 7:36 a.m. |
| Re: flames & kudos: Explaining the negative feelin | Andrew Nagy | 5/21/04 2:07 p.m. |
| Re: flames & kudos: Explaining the negative feelin | Xraf | 5/21/04 4:02 p.m. |
| Re: flames & kudos: Explaining the negative feelin | Louis Wu | 5/21/04 4:56 p.m. |
| Re: flames & kudos: Explaining the negative feelin | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/21/04 5:56 p.m. |
| Re: flames & kudos: Explaining the negative feelin | Wado SG | 5/21/04 7:20 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Druff | 5/18/04 2:01 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Tarrsk | 5/18/04 3:28 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Druff | 5/18/04 4:05 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Druff | 5/18/04 4:09 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Wado SG | 5/18/04 4:12 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Druff | 5/18/04 4:16 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Wado SG | 5/18/04 4:29 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/18/04 9:35 p.m. |
| Enkidu is a bastard child, yet no less worthy *NM* | the Ouroboros | 5/18/04 11:29 p.m. |
| Hmph, no, YOUR Mom. | Enkidu | 5/19/04 12:18 a.m. |
| Re: Hmph, no, YOUR Mom. | Tarrsk | 5/19/04 1:07 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Narcogen | 5/20/04 6:51 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/20/04 7:21 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Narcogen | 5/21/04 12:13 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Mogwong | 5/18/04 2:51 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Mogwong | 5/18/04 2:40 p.m. |
| nice work | Socrates | 5/17/04 3:06 a.m. |
| Two Thumbs Up | X-Isle | 5/17/04 8:40 a.m. |
| Re: Two Thumbs Up | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/17/04 8:49 a.m. |
| Missed? | Narcogen | 5/20/04 6:53 a.m. |
| Re: Missed? | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/20/04 7:43 a.m. |
| Re: Missed? | Narcogen | 5/21/04 12:10 a.m. |
| Re: Missed? | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/21/04 6:23 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | nof | 5/17/04 12:07 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Slothboy | 5/17/04 1:14 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/17/04 1:36 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Slothboy | 5/17/04 1:55 p.m. |
| Adoption into Canon? | Narcogen | 5/20/04 6:59 a.m. |
| Re: Adoption into Canon? | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/20/04 7:32 a.m. |
| Re: Adoption into Canon? | Wado SG | 5/20/04 8:12 p.m. |
| Re: Adoption into Canon? | Anton P. Nym | 5/20/04 9:33 p.m. |
| Canon Rampancy | Narcogen | 5/21/04 12:00 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Target4Hire | 5/17/04 2:34 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/18/04 10:54 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Target4Hire | 5/20/04 11:21 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu rocked. | ThorsHammer | 5/17/04 3:16 p.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | wavehawk | 5/18/04 3:33 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/18/04 6:04 a.m. |
| Re: Enkidu flames and kudos HERE, please. | wavehawk | 5/18/04 6:14 a.m. |
| Steve...thought you might be amused by this... | the Ouroboros | 5/20/04 8:21 p.m. |
| Re: Steve...thought you might be amused by this... | Anton P. Nym | 5/20/04 9:59 p.m. |
| YOUR terminals are so much better than mine. | LietLives | 5/23/04 5:20 a.m. |
| Re: YOUR terminals are so much better than mine. | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 5/23/04 7:16 a.m. |
