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Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | |
Posted By: Archilen | Date: 9/24/12 9:04 a.m. |
In Response To: Re: Why I Hate Glasslands (bryan newman) : Halsey's SII decision is a little worse than Parangosky's SIII decision. The : SIII's were created because humanity faced imminent extinction and were : volunteers (Children volunteers still but none the less orphaned : volunteers.) Yeah, because a 4 year old is fully capable of making that kind of decision. Plus, they volunteered with the illusion they'd become full-fledged Spartans like Kurt, you know, not the kind that gets issued with cheap-ass armor and sent on missions that lead to their certain deaths. Which one is really better, 900+ child suicide soldiers, the majority of which are killed, or 75 kids, half of whom get the best gear and training while the other half gets crippled? I personally don't think either of them was morally better - quantifying human suffering like that is pointless - but to argue that Parangosky was somehow a more noble figure than Halsey is just preposterous. No matter how saintly KT chooses to portray her, you don't earn the reputation of the most dangerous human alive for nothing. : Halsey did it simply because she could. Plain and simple. She claims it was
This is only true if you ignore the very concrete threat of an interstellar apocalypse. I don't think Halsey or anyone else could've convinced the UNSC leadership to let go of the colonies (and it seems a lot of the Innie leaders had selfish motives beyond mere independence anyway!), so it was a choice between human death tolls in the billions or 75 families ruined. Also, ONI was just as guilty as Halsey was, if not more so, for commissioning and funding the program. And the most important part is, they would've done it anyway if Halsey chose to quit. KT just likes to shift all the blame on Halsey, because you know, she's a scientist with a genius-level intellect so she's obviously more guilty than anyone else. And yes, she - they! - also did it because they could, but that was probably the least pressing reason. : Everyone seems to take Halseys own testimony and her diary as proof of her
There's a lot of lines in Glasslands which paint Halsey as a complete nutjob. Its' a different thing entirely whether you choose to take it all at face value.
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Why I Hate Glasslands | Train Dodger | 9/17/12 10:22 p.m. |
I agree with Williams, but I can see your points. | Rice | 9/17/12 10:41 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | General Battuta | 9/17/12 10:42 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | General Battuta | 9/17/12 10:44 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | Train Dodger | 9/17/12 11:54 p.m. |
On second thought... | Train Dodger | 9/18/12 6:24 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | ZackDark | 9/17/12 10:49 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | SonGoharotto | 9/17/12 11:24 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | Chewbaccawakka | 9/17/12 11:29 p.m. |
Correction. | Quirel | 9/18/12 12:10 a.m. |
Got it | ZackDark | 9/18/12 12:26 a.m. |
Re: Correction. | Chewbaccawakka | 9/18/12 1:12 a.m. |
Re: Correction. | Quirel | 9/18/12 1:34 a.m. |
Re: Correction. | Chewbaccawakka | 9/18/12 1:48 a.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | General Battuta | 9/17/12 11:32 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | Beckx | 9/18/12 9:40 a.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | General Vagueness | 9/18/12 7:26 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | Train Dodger | 9/18/12 12:28 a.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | Quirel | 9/18/12 12:32 a.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | ZackDark | 9/18/12 12:49 a.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | Quirel | 9/18/12 12:55 a.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | bluerunner | 9/18/12 9:05 a.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | ZackDark | 9/18/12 9:41 p.m. |
Total war | Flynn J Taggart | 9/18/12 12:36 a.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | SonGoharotto | 9/17/12 11:19 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | Jaydee | 9/18/12 12:12 a.m. |
On Halsey being demonized. | Rice | 9/18/12 12:32 a.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | TDSpiral | 9/18/12 12:33 a.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | Hawki | 9/18/12 1:49 a.m. |
Projecting guilt | scarab | 9/18/12 2:44 a.m. |
Re: Projecting guilt | Jaydee | 9/18/12 3:01 a.m. |
Re: Projecting guilt | Hawki | 9/18/12 3:12 a.m. |
Re: Projecting guilt | scarab | 9/18/12 3:52 a.m. |
Re: Projecting guilt | Train Dodger | 9/18/12 4:25 a.m. |
Re: Projecting guilt | Quirel | 9/18/12 9:41 a.m. |
Re: Projecting guilt | Harmanimus | 9/18/12 3:39 a.m. |
Re: Projecting guilt | scarab | 9/18/12 4:07 a.m. |
Re: Projecting guilt | Hawki | 9/18/12 4:46 a.m. |
Re: Projecting guilt | Harmanimus | 9/18/12 3:00 p.m. |
More like projecting Quilt | bryan newman | 9/18/12 4:52 a.m. |
Re: More like projecting Quilt | Hawki | 9/18/12 5:23 a.m. |
Re: More like projecting Quilt | bryan newman | 9/18/12 5:28 a.m. |
Re: More like projecting Quilt | Hawki | 9/18/12 5:34 a.m. |
Re: More like projecting Quilt | scarab | 9/18/12 1:20 p.m. |
Re: More like projecting Quilt | Hawki | 9/18/12 4:36 p.m. |
Best Line of the Whole Debate | Hoovaloov | 9/18/12 2:09 a.m. |
Re: Best Line of the Whole Debate | Hawki | 9/18/12 2:12 a.m. |
Re: Best Line of the Whole Debate | Quirel | 9/18/12 2:16 a.m. |
Re: Best Line of the Whole Debate | Hoovaloov | 9/18/12 2:22 a.m. |
Re: Best Line of the Whole Debate | Train Dodger | 9/18/12 2:25 a.m. |
Re: Best Line of the Whole Debate | Hoovaloov | 9/18/12 3:01 a.m. |
Re: Best Line of the Whole Debate | bluerunner | 9/18/12 8:59 a.m. |
Re: Best Line of the Whole Debate | Hawki | 9/18/12 2:28 a.m. |
Agree with all but the last sentence! *NM* | Lurono | 9/18/12 2:43 a.m. |
Re: Best Line of the Whole Debate | Hoovaloov | 9/18/12 2:48 a.m. |
Re: Best Line of the Whole Debate | Lurono | 9/18/12 3:12 a.m. |
Re: Best Line of the Whole Debate | Hoovaloov | 9/18/12 3:29 a.m. |
Re: Best Line of the Whole Debate | Lurono | 9/18/12 9:35 p.m. |
This: *NM* | thebruce0 | 9/18/12 9:01 a.m. |
D'oh, attempt 2 :) This: | thebruce0 | 9/18/12 9:06 a.m. |
Re: Best Line of the Whole Debate | Hoovaloov | 9/18/12 2:18 a.m. |
Re: Best Line of the Whole Debate | Train Dodger | 9/18/12 2:40 a.m. |
Re: Best Line of the Whole Debate | Lurono | 9/18/12 2:55 a.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | scarab | 9/18/12 3:22 a.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | Train Dodger | 9/18/12 3:54 a.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | Archilen | 9/18/12 3:38 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | Train Dodger | 9/18/12 11:45 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | Archilen | 9/19/12 9:14 a.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | Train Dodger | 9/19/12 11:36 a.m. |
Corollary | Train Dodger | 9/19/12 11:52 a.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | Archilen | 9/19/12 2:36 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | Train Dodger | 9/19/12 4:07 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | SonGoharotto | 9/19/12 5:01 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | Train Dodger | 9/19/12 5:04 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | General Vagueness | 9/19/12 7:15 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | ZackDark | 9/19/12 7:19 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | Train Dodger | 9/19/12 7:56 p.m. |
This is why Gameplay/Canon Segregation exists. *NM* | Rice | 9/19/12 11:56 p.m. |
Nope. | uberfoop | 9/20/12 12:05 a.m. |
To be fair to the UNSC... | SonGoharotto | 9/20/12 12:19 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | Quirel | 9/20/12 1:02 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | Gravemind | 9/20/12 2:17 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | Train Dodger | 9/20/12 6:11 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | General Vagueness | 9/20/12 9:32 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | Train Dodger | 9/20/12 11:13 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | General Vagueness | 9/20/12 8:36 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | General Vagueness | 9/20/12 9:09 p.m. |
Parangosky in GoO. | Rice | 9/25/12 4:19 a.m. |
Also | Rice | 9/25/12 5:26 a.m. |
On matters of execution | davidfuchs | 9/25/12 7:07 a.m. |
Re: On matters of execution | General Battuta | 9/25/12 2:46 p.m. |
The Halsey Jaw Punch | Rice | 9/26/12 2:26 a.m. |
Re: The Halsey Jaw Punch | Subtank | 9/26/12 5:06 a.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | General Vagueness | 9/19/12 7:41 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | SonGoharotto | 9/19/12 7:48 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | Train Dodger | 9/19/12 8:08 p.m. |
Update To Original Thread | Train Dodger | 9/18/12 9:04 p.m. |
Re: Update To Original Thread | SonGoharotto | 9/19/12 3:54 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | vlad3163 | 9/23/12 2:27 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | bryan newman | 9/24/12 1:17 a.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | Archilen | 9/24/12 9:04 a.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | General Vagueness | 9/24/12 3:20 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | General Vagueness | 9/24/12 3:04 p.m. |
Re: Why I Hate Glasslands | Tsudico | 10/30/12 2:22 p.m. |
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