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| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | |
| Posted By: Silent Knight <irish_bloke@hotmail.com> | Date: 10/24/09 2:26 a.m. |
In Response To: Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion (chris101b) : I think that if Bungie had been given more time, they could have made the : game even better. This is the first game that they have made while being : independent from Microsoft and it really does show. They were able to get : away from the gameplay mechanics that had started whittling down the : "Halo experience" that we all used to know and love. I love the : fact that they kept some of the mechanics from Halo 3, but changed the way : they were implemented; equipment being a good example here. Overall, the : gameplay was fun, the story was great, and for a game that had to be made : in a year, it was a damn fine one. I agree that it's a great game that really got back to the old Halo Combat Evolved mechanics. It felt more grounded than the last two games - space operas are a little too ambitious. There's a point where you stop thinking "Wow, that view is insane!" and start wondering "Am I still on the same planet as the last cutscene?" The thing that grates is that people have used the "If Bungie had more time..." excuse before, for Halo 2. This was blamed on Microsoft pushing the release. If Bungie are still running out of time as an independant... And Hedge, I'm not sure if there is a perfect way to tell a story in an interactive medium. If you script the Hell outta the encounters, then you get bored after two playthroughs. If you use cutscenes to tell the entirety of the story, then you're watching a movie and lose the player's motivation. Sandbox games have the flaw of everyone missing at least one portion of the story. The Fable games were fun, but entirely scripted with almost no freedom of decision/consequence. Fallout 3 was amazing, but the story components sometimes felt bland because of the lack of scripting. I'd like some monsters to actually tear down a wall to surprise me, rather than walking through a door. Both of the above I enjoyed. Fallout, I still hold dear as an almost perfect sandbox game. ODST had excellent story-telling. The opening cutscene being interactive - fantastic. The HUB world with beacons lying around, also new and interesting. But when it came down to it, the dialogue was supremely hit and miss. Dare never gave any indication of being in control of anything in the game. If I were ONI, then I imagine I'd immediately assume command of the elite soldiers and tolerate zero insubordination... Crap I'm talking about dialogue again. I think the best way to tell a story in a game would be to use cutscenes to establish where you are, who you are and what your objective is. Then, the player takes over and achieves said objective any way they please. As they are completing said objective, new complications arise that are not directly relevant to the current mission. Then, use a cutscene to transition to new area and establish parameters. So on. I'm not going to pull out Halo examples of this, because I assume that my mind is painting Combat Evolved in a golden light and attempting to stab Halo 2 in the back. Story is challenging.
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| Brutes in ODST | Archilen | 10/22/09 9:21 a.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | Vociferous | 10/22/09 10:25 a.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | RyanTheHeretic | 10/22/09 10:46 a.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | Archilen | 10/22/09 10:50 a.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | Avateur | 10/22/09 3:06 p.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | SonofMacPhisto | 10/22/09 3:23 p.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | Archilen | 10/23/09 1:32 a.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | Archilen | 10/23/09 1:45 a.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | Silent Knight | 10/23/09 10:08 a.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 10/23/09 10:49 a.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | mendicantbias00 | 10/23/09 11:44 a.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | General Vagueness | 10/22/09 4:03 p.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | Avateur | 10/22/09 9:46 p.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | InnerRayg | 10/22/09 10:32 p.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | Ragashingo | 10/22/09 10:36 p.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | Silent Knight | 10/23/09 12:10 a.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | Silent Knight | 10/22/09 10:27 p.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | scarab | 10/22/09 11:00 p.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | Ragashingo | 10/22/09 11:43 p.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | Hikaru-119 | 10/22/09 11:47 p.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | chris101b | 10/23/09 12:01 a.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | Silent Knight | 10/23/09 12:21 a.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | repivemag | 10/23/09 12:52 a.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | chris101b | 10/23/09 1:00 a.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | chris101b | 10/23/09 3:02 a.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | Silent Knight | 10/23/09 10:29 a.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 10/23/09 10:53 a.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | Vincent | 10/23/09 11:04 a.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | chris101b | 10/23/09 12:53 p.m. |
| Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion. | Silent Knight | 10/23/09 6:06 p.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 10/23/09 8:25 p.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | General Vagueness | 10/23/09 9:06 p.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | Silent Knight | 10/23/09 11:41 p.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | Hedgemony | 10/23/09 11:59 p.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | serpx | 10/25/09 4:35 p.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | chris101b | 10/24/09 1:02 a.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | Silent Knight | 10/24/09 2:26 a.m. |
| Re: Clarification and spoilers. | Hedgemony | 10/24/09 4:56 a.m. |
| Re: Clarification and spoilers. | Silent Knight | 10/24/09 6:31 a.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | General Vagueness | 10/24/09 11:14 a.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | SonofMacPhisto | 10/24/09 3:53 p.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | Silent Knight | 10/24/09 7:02 p.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | SonofMacPhisto | 10/24/09 10:44 p.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | Silent Knight | 10/25/09 3:27 a.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | SonofMacPhisto | 10/26/09 4:29 p.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | Bry | 10/24/09 10:01 a.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | Silent Knight | 10/24/09 7:20 p.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | General Vagueness | 10/24/09 8:48 p.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | Silent Knight | 10/25/09 3:38 a.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | General Vagueness | 10/25/09 11:15 a.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | Silent Knight | 10/25/09 5:27 p.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | General Vagueness | 10/24/09 11:20 a.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | Silent Knight | 10/24/09 7:15 p.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | General Vagueness | 10/24/09 8:27 p.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | reprobate | 10/25/09 2:48 a.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | Silent Knight | 10/25/09 3:44 a.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | Hedgemony | 10/25/09 8:22 a.m. |
| Re: Clarification. Slight Extrapolation. Expansion | Silent Knight | 10/25/09 5:36 p.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | iMonkey777 | 10/26/09 3:11 p.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | FyreWulff | 10/26/09 3:13 p.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 10/26/09 3:50 p.m. |
| Re: Brutes in ODST | Silent Knight | 10/26/09 4:45 p.m. |
| DOH! | scarab | 10/23/09 7:51 a.m. |
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