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| Posted By: Quikthnkr <quikthnkr@excite.com> | Date: 8/15/07 11:47 a.m. |
In Response To: Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? (scarab) : What about a speculative Covenant biology page? Is that back story? : Doesn't it own anything that rhymes with Windows? :-) I suspect that this is exactly what M$ and other companies have been afraid of for a long time and why they have hesitated to define their use criteria. From all the posts above it is pretty clear to see that the statement they have made creates more questions than answers and clarifies less than it confuses. The no soundtrack issue is huge. I mean massive. Just the idea of recording completely free of audio from the game, not even the slightest sound, and then having to foley in everything just about takes machinima out back behind the shed and blows it's brains out. It adds massive time constraints to an already lengthy process. Not being able to expand the universe or create backstory pretty much kills whatever is left. I found this definition for backstory "As distinct from biography and backdrop, backstory includes all relevant events to the protagonist and antagonist that occurred before the narrative started. In general, it is the period of time the antagonist has spent concocting his plan of takeover, revenge, etc. Backstory is the background for the conflict." This leaves out anything involving MC. Because of the more fluid narrative of video games the antagonist changes often. But it could be argued that every chapter, every level you play as the protagonist MC then whoever is your main adversery for that level is your antagonist. That pretty much rules out Hunter, The Arbitor, Gravemind, The Prophets, Tartarus and so on. Then add to that the time you play as The Arbiter as the second protagonist and you can rule out the Heretic, various Brutes, MC again, Gravemind again, and so on. Add to this the fact that you cannot violate any other IP's and that is the stake in the heart that finishes machinima off. That's it. Game over. Once you add in every other intellectual property. From the Halo novels. From Halo Wars, any music you might have thought about using. Any sound effect that you didn't purchase yourself. Even the soda machines in the game have RvB's rooster symbol on it. Does that IP belong to M$ or RvB? What about mixing another game in with Halo like the Sims or WoW? Nope. You just violated their IP and that violates this agreement with M$. Long story short we have huge problems here. What it comes down to is enforcement. If M$ suddenly decides that they are going to enforce this stuff then they have a real problem. First it will drastically effect thier reputation in the community because due process will require them to apply it fairly and that means to everyone making machinima. That means, every major machinima maker will be gone. Because everything that has come before now is in violation of this. Not to mention the massive amount of what is to oome with saved films. And don't think that you can just do this anonymously. The RIAA has found over 20,000 people to sue for illegal music downloads. There are a lot fewer machinim makers out there. And most of us want some kind of credit for our work. That said, if M$ uses this as a line in the sand, their stick if you will to whack folks who eggregiously violate the rules with porn or some other serious transgression and leave the rest of us alone as they have for so long then it will be fine. And things will continue on as they have in the past. I hope for the latter. The question that has to be asked now though is "who will be the first to stick thier neck out and see what happens with some new content?"
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| Halo Machinima now illegal? | Laird | 8/14/07 10:51 p.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | JawReich | 8/14/07 11:01 p.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | Demerzel | 8/14/07 11:03 p.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | Sep7imus [subnova] | 8/14/07 11:05 p.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | Demerzel | 8/14/07 11:11 p.m. |
| Ick. | Jordan117 | 8/14/07 11:37 p.m. |
| Re: Ick. | Eiii | 8/15/07 2:39 a.m. |
| Re: Ick. | Sep7imus [subnova] | 8/15/07 8:46 a.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | Sep7imus [subnova] | 8/14/07 11:08 p.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | Sep7imus [subnova] | 8/14/07 11:03 p.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | Laird | 8/14/07 11:08 p.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | Sep7imus [subnova] | 8/14/07 11:13 p.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | scarab | 8/15/07 1:01 a.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | Sep7imus [subnova] | 8/15/07 8:36 a.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 8/15/07 8:38 a.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | Rosco-128 | 8/14/07 11:10 p.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | Laird | 8/14/07 11:16 p.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | Sep7imus [subnova] | 8/14/07 11:19 p.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | ajenteks | 8/15/07 1:21 a.m. |
| Halo Sounds and Soundtrack | JawReich | 8/15/07 9:06 a.m. |
| Re: Halo Sounds and Soundtrack | ajenteks | 8/15/07 1:43 p.m. |
| Re: Halo Sounds and Soundtrack | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 8/15/07 9:13 p.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | Quikthnkr | 8/15/07 10:51 a.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | ajenteks | 8/15/07 1:48 p.m. |
| Does this affect fan-fiction in anyway? *NM* | SPARTAN-034 | 8/14/07 11:12 p.m. |
| FF has, and will always be, mostly illegal. *NM* | ACEfanatic02 | 8/14/07 11:16 p.m. |
| Re: FF has, and will always be, mostly illegal. | Rosco-128 | 8/14/07 11:21 p.m. |
| Re: FF has, and will always be, mostly illegal. | Sep7imus [subnova] | 8/14/07 11:24 p.m. |
| Re: FF has, and will always be, mostly illegal. | ACEfanatic02 | 8/15/07 12:24 a.m. |
| granted, most ff OUGHT to be illegal ;) *NM* | The Cancers | 8/15/07 12:42 a.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | serpx | 8/14/07 11:12 p.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | Laird | 8/14/07 11:15 p.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | Major.Dump | 8/14/07 11:46 p.m. |
| Doesn't machinima help MS sell games, wtf?! Thx... *NM* | MasterChief2829 | 8/14/07 11:52 p.m. |
| Not really. | Cthulhu117 | 8/15/07 7:16 a.m. |
| Agreed | trigger119 | 8/15/07 12:04 p.m. |
| I love you. (in a purely platonic way) | Phoenix_9286 | 8/15/07 12:22 a.m. |
| Re: I love you. (in a purely platonic way) | Sep7imus [subnova] | 8/15/07 8:40 a.m. |
| Urm, what about Saved Films then? | Izzinatah | 8/15/07 2:48 a.m. |
| Internets | Slith | 8/15/07 5:45 a.m. |
| Re: Internets | Colin Hansen | 8/15/07 6:07 a.m. |
| Re: Internets | Cthulhu117 | 8/15/07 7:19 a.m. |
| Re: Internets | Slith | 8/15/07 6:22 p.m. |
| Re: Internets | Sep7imus [subnova] | 8/15/07 8:54 p.m. |
| Re: Internets | Slith | 8/15/07 9:33 p.m. |
| Re: Internets | Sep7imus [subnova] | 8/15/07 9:43 p.m. |
| I think RvB breaks every one of those rules. *NM* | Ross Mills | 8/15/07 5:56 a.m. |
| that was my first thought... *NM* | JeSteR 343 | 8/15/07 6:55 a.m. |
| RvB had a special deal with MS *NM* | Cody Miller | 8/15/07 7:51 a.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | z | 8/15/07 9:00 a.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 8/15/07 9:07 a.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | Sep7imus [subnova] | 8/15/07 9:42 a.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | z | 8/15/07 11:05 a.m. |
| But Halo isn't paint. | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 8/15/07 11:48 a.m. |
| Re: But Halo isn't paint. | z | 8/15/07 1:12 p.m. |
| Hope this doesn't harm anything major... | Dustbunny27 | 8/15/07 1:19 p.m. |
| Re: Hope this doesn't harm anything major... | scarab | 8/15/07 2:57 p.m. |
| Parody??? | scarab | 8/15/07 10:44 a.m. |
| Re: Parody??? | Sep7imus [subnova] | 8/15/07 8:49 p.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | Aglor | 8/15/07 9:31 a.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | scarab | 8/15/07 10:54 a.m. |
| Undecided | Quikthnkr | 8/15/07 11:47 a.m. |
| Announcement after RvB? | Major.Dump | 8/15/07 12:46 p.m. |
| Re: Announcement after RvB? | z | 8/15/07 1:19 p.m. |
| Re: Undecided | scarab | 8/15/07 12:50 p.m. |
| Re: Undecided | ajenteks | 8/15/07 1:57 p.m. |
| Re: Undecided | Sep7imus [subnova] | 8/15/07 8:41 p.m. |
| Commerical License | Quikthnkr | 8/15/07 12:04 p.m. |
| Re: Commerical License | x1zero | 8/15/07 1:47 p.m. |
| Re: Commerical License | ajenteks | 8/15/07 1:50 p.m. |
| Re: Commerical License | Sep7imus [subnova] | 8/15/07 8:31 p.m. |
| HBO Front page? | SinisterSamurai | 8/15/07 2:49 p.m. |
| ...Since it's the game's assests, and all. *NM* *NM* | SinisterSamurai | 8/15/07 2:55 p.m. |
| Re: HBO Front page? | Sep7imus [subnova] | 8/15/07 8:42 p.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | 343winks. | 8/15/07 4:58 p.m. |
| What about 2D games?? | grantix | 8/15/07 5:55 p.m. |
| Re: What about 2D games?? | Sep7imus [subnova] | 8/15/07 8:46 p.m. |
| Sorry MS, this is more of a wishlist... | doober187 | 8/16/07 12:03 a.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | Andrew Nagy | 8/16/07 12:03 a.m. |
| might've retitled: Marathon Scenarios now illegal? *NM* | Andrew Nagy | 8/16/07 12:13 a.m. |
| Re: Halo Machinima now illegal? | bndud | 8/16/07 1:29 a.m. |
| EVERYONE NEEDS TO CHILL | Colin Hansen | 8/16/07 1:43 p.m. |
| Re: EVERYONE NEEDS TO CHILL | Quikthnkr | 8/17/07 10:44 a.m. |
| Can anybody explain this to me? | Mister Froggy | 8/16/07 2:02 p.m. |
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