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Re: Back up a second...
Posted By: DHalo <dmoore992@sbcglobal.net>	Date: 9/28/06 5:32 a.m.
In Response To: Back up a second... (Hawaiian Pig) : I'm concerned. I'm all for new Halo content, and that trailer blew me away : (give me more cinematic CGI!), but there are some concerns I'd like to : toss out there to see if anyone else feels the same. : New Hands. : For starters, Halo has always been Bungie's child. Getting someone else to : raise your child after so many years would surely be a sticky situation. : Despite the fact that I am assured that Ensemble, and soon to be Wingnut, : are a very capable studios, I still feel the need to voice some concern. I : described the situation best in IRC actually; having Halo reimagined by : another studio is like having Peter Jackson, for example, directing one : movie, and having George Lucas direct the sequel. Both very capable : directors, but both have their own distinct way of doing things. : These new games, developed externally, will no doubt feel like an external : addition to the Halo universe. I will have a very hard time accepting : these two new games, no matter how good they are in their own element, as : part of the true Halo experience. : Perhaps Bungie will play a strong role in making these studios adhere to : their guidelines, but it's just unneccessary deconstruction and : reconstrucion of ideas. Bungie imagines Halo, breaks it down for the : external partner, the external partner interprets it and uses a team, who, : while skilled perhaps, has never dealt with the IP before. There's : definitely room for error. I would imagine that there is already room for : error within Bungie itself, but constant overseeing seems to stamp that : out, would that exist with these new 'capable' hands? : Genre Hopping : I'm unsure about the 'unannouced' Jackson game, but the RTS game will, : undoubtedly, raise an issue with me personally. While Halo sure did begin : as an RTS, it has become an FPS, and quite frankly, I find it hard to : see it "coming 'round full circle." : The Halo universe has always been experienced from the ground based : perspective... It seems as though any other perspective would feel like : gimmicky or like a fan made mod... not an "offical" Halo : experience. : One of the main pullers of the Halo series, for me, was the amazing story : telling. Aside from beautiful cinematics, much of the story was conveyed : through the game. With an RTS, I find this a bit hard to fathom. The : perspective seems a bit disconnected. You are not a Spartan battling the : war on the field, you're this presence commanding an army and watching it : blindly do your bidding. I have never played an RTS myself, so I may be : way off here, but from what I've seen, it's basically "team A here, : team B here, fight." Cool... for about 20 minutes, at least story : wise. I can't see any story being more than "Humans and Covenant are : fighting over this land! *match occurs* Humans/Covenant have won this : territory!" : No cool operation. No finding the "Silent Cartographer," obtaining : an "Index" or foiling some diabolical Monitor AI from eons : ago... : Also, I'm curious as to how Spartans will be incorporated. The mainstay of : Halo's story no doubt. RTS games seem to focus on large scale battles. : That's cool. But Spartans, to me have always been the covert guys running : very dangerous and specially important ops that you just don't see in RTS : games. If I end up seeing a Spartan just battering his way down the field, : I think I might tear up a bit. : Now what I'd love to see, is my good old trusted FPS field view of these : battles at the side as I run a harrowing mission to cripple Covenant : communication and allow reinforcements to make one final drive that I have : the chance to partake in. Badass. A guy can dream... : Perhaps I'm too afraid of change, but as the saying goes "If it ain't : broke, don't fix it." Slight changes to Halo occured on its way to : Halo 2 and it caused an uproar. An entire genre switch can only mean a can : of worms in this respect. While it's interesting to see the Halo universe : from this perspective, it would seem that it was just never meant to be : viewed and experienced this way (or at least ever since it became an FPS). : --- : If there's one thing to pull from my incessant rambling here is that, while : more Halo would appear to be a great thing, that's not always the case. : Star Wars Episodes 1 - 3? Rocky 6? Die Hard 4? Final Fantasy : One-fucking-Billion? Halo 4?.... nah, not even that. : Maybe I'm afraid of change here, but I'm worried that Halo's direction is : going to be derailed in the near future. Yeah I know... my glass is more : than half empty. The bottom line, however, is that despite my fears, I : will buy these games. No denying that. So maybe the direction for Halo : envisioned here (evidently not Bungie's vision, I'd hope) is a : "good" one. And by "good" I definitely mean : "lucrative to the max." I'm a bit worried about the RTS too, but I trust Bungie enough to try their best to make it to the best of their abilities, Haloish. Jackson on the other hand? I trust him 100%. I've got a feeling his game will be like an interactive movie, which is kinda how I forsaw a prequal being stylized. Being solid in story with interactive portions.

Message Index

Back up a second...	Hawaiian Pig	9/28/06 12:37 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	iDeNoh	9/28/06 12:55 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Xmoose	9/28/06 1:08 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Hawaiian Pig	9/28/06 1:23 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	sorahn	9/28/06 1:41 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Cocopjojo	9/28/06 1:45 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Hawaiian Pig	9/28/06 1:52 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Bry	9/28/06 2:11 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Cocopjojo	9/28/06 2:25 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Slith	9/28/06 3:02 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	HipboyScott	9/28/06 11:20 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Slith	9/28/06 4:12 p.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Bry	9/28/06 3:07 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Slith	9/28/06 2:55 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Hawaiian Pig	9/28/06 3:11 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Narcogen	9/28/06 11:22 p.m.
My concerns excatly *NM*	Hawaiian Pig	9/28/06 11:33 p.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Bry	9/29/06 2:17 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Narcogen	9/29/06 4:43 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Bry	9/29/06 6:06 a.m.
Enhanced	Narcogen	9/29/06 7:17 a.m.
Re: Enhanced	Bry	9/29/06 9:41 a.m.
Re: Enhanced	Peptuck	9/29/06 10:09 a.m.
Re: Enhanced	Narcogen	9/29/06 10:34 a.m.
Re: Enhanced	Bry	9/29/06 11:06 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Document	9/29/06 1:07 p.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Hawaiian Pig	9/29/06 1:11 p.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Narcogen	9/28/06 4:55 a.m.
On the RTS	Hawaiian Pig	9/28/06 3:08 a.m.
Re: On the RTS	Bry	9/28/06 3:44 a.m.
Re: On the RTS	Hawaiian Pig	9/28/06 3:49 a.m.
Re: On the RTS	CupiD-082	9/28/06 1:14 p.m.
Re: On the RTS	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	9/28/06 11:21 a.m.
Re: On the RTS	HipboyScott	9/28/06 11:43 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	DHalo	9/28/06 5:32 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Peptuck	9/28/06 7:48 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Slith	9/28/06 4:27 p.m.
Re: Back up a second...	raptor117	9/28/06 5:27 p.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Document	9/28/06 7:27 p.m.
I'm with the pig...	Ducain	9/28/06 8:00 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Mister Froggy	9/28/06 9:06 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Hawaiian Pig	9/28/06 6:38 p.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Mister Froggy	9/28/06 8:11 p.m.
Something I forgot to add...	Mister Froggy	9/28/06 9:29 p.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Hawaiian Pig	9/28/06 9:30 p.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Boxer	9/28/06 9:22 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Cody Miller	9/28/06 10:21 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Peptuck	9/28/06 12:10 p.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Slith	9/28/06 4:30 p.m.
Re: On story.	Hawaiian Pig	9/28/06 6:31 p.m.
Re: On story.	Peptuck	9/28/06 10:17 p.m.
Move up a second....	dolbex	9/28/06 10:44 a.m.
My 1 cent	Clefton Twain	9/28/06 12:27 p.m.
Re: Move up and right back again :P	Hawaiian Pig	9/28/06 6:27 p.m.
Re: Move up and right back again :P	dolbex	9/29/06 8:54 p.m.
Re: Back up a second...	BattleMaster2552	9/28/06 11:53 a.m.
Re: Back up a second...	Slith	9/28/06 5:01 p.m.
Summation?	Hawaiian Pig	9/28/06 11:31 p.m.
Re: Summation?	mnemesis	9/29/06 1:52 a.m.
Re: Summation?	Narcogen	9/29/06 4:26 a.m.
Re: Summation?	Sep7imus [subnova]	9/29/06 7:57 p.m.
back up a second...	frobie	9/29/06 10:35 p.m.