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Re: On 'competitive-ness' in Halo 2
Posted By: Mattat	Date: 9/1/05 8:54 a.m.
In Response To: Re: On 'competitive-ness' in Halo 2 (Red Dingo) I think that a lot of the 'flaws' mentioned in the 1-up article do actually benefit the players at lower levels (or realistically the normal level at which most people play the game): 1. The weapon spawn system By reducing the number of power weapons available in play this makes most game play much less frustrating. The old system on a large scale with lower level people would result in either lots of people totting the power weapons around, and most players being killed easily as a result on spawn (because most normal players can't kill a sniper at range with a Halo 1 pistol, nor beat a rocket launcher), or the game clogging up round the spawn points, with one player simply camping the respawn. The weapon spawn system really changed the game from one in which control of an area was the paramount aim (controlling spawn points) to one in which controlling weapons is the paramount aim. 2. Nerfing the vehicles The vehicles at most levels are not the all powerful things that most people think that they are. They can be taken out easily by rockets, brute shots, plasma grenades, boarding and other vehicles. This is leaving out other 'trickier' methods of killing vehicles such as sniping/battle rifling the drivers, or using duel SMGs against the banshee. There is also the fact that it is virtually impossible to maintain an argument that the power weapons and the vehicles are both too powerful. Take an example such as cooagulation. Yes if one team manages to collect: a. two brute shots b. one rocket launcher c. two snipers d. two warthogs e. two ghosts f. two banshees then the other team is probably going to lose, no matter how 'skilful' they are. But how did the skilful team lose all these - by being outmatched in each confrontation - i.e. the skill here is not aiming (which is not particularly fair over the internet with lag) but teamwork and not attacking until the odds are stacked in your favour. But while there are some power weapons or vehicles under one teams control they will probably be able to turn the battle if they are clever. Also if the other team are holding the rockets in the banshee - then the other banshee is free to attack it without fear of rocket attack from the ground. If the snipers are riding round in ghosts then feel free to walk around the map in the open. 3. Duel Wielding How can something be a rock-paper-scissors spray and pray. Rock-paper-scissors implies that you should not attack someone who has a better weapon combination until you get an advantage (e.g. attacking first from above). How is a plasma rifle and smg an 'I win' button after the update. It can be beaten by plenty of power weapons, including the BR/PP combo, it can be beaten by a well placed grenade, it can be beaten by attacking when the other player does not expect it. In short it can be beaten. Duel wielding encourages the use of a wider range of weapons. And the needlers still rock at taking out stationary snipers. 4. Plasma pistol The great equaliser. A power weapon. Yeah it was a bit over prevelent, but it's basically another power weapon that lets players take out the other power weapons at medium range. Look at it this way - Long range - Sniper (1-2 shot kill), Medium range - Rocket (1 hit kill), PP/BR combo (2 hit kill), Short range Shotgun (1-27 hit kill depending on lag), Sword (1 hit kill). It requires the collection of two weapons, takes up two weapon slots, is only effective against one enemy at a time and makes you incredibly visible, and still requires a second headshot. But it has lots of ammo and isn't limited by the respawn rules. (see what would happen if rockets/snipers etc were timed). At short range it will loose against sword, shotgun and most duel wields. At long range it will loose to Snipers and probably pure battle rifles who will be able to fire first and dodge the shot. 5. Matchmaking and host Frankly - simplicity. I can get a reasonable game of Halo 2 far faster than I can in other games where I have to search for a server. And that's before I start using clans and customs. Ignoring the debatable points around displaying ranks, this is how to create simple effective multiplayer for the masses. Click and go - join a game at the beginning, usually with a good ping, usually against similarly skilled gamers. Where else do you get that, without having to get to know servers, find people of a similar level and frankly spend a lot of time searching for people.

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New article at 1up.com...	Ename Nep	8/27/05 9:59 p.m.
I was expecting more from 1-up	Devil Mingy	8/27/05 10:07 p.m.
Re: I was expecting more from 1-up	Ename Nep	8/27/05 10:33 p.m.
Re: I was expecting more from 1-up	Devil Mingy	8/27/05 10:41 p.m.
Re: I was expecting more from 1-up	Ename Nep	8/27/05 10:47 p.m.
Pathetic. I also expected more...	Spartan Jag	8/29/05 10:40 a.m.
Re: I was expecting more from 1-up	kapowaz	8/31/05 8:07 a.m.
Re: New article at 1up.com...	Paladin117	8/27/05 10:15 p.m.
Re: New article at 1up.com...	Paladin117	8/27/05 10:23 p.m.
Re: New article at 1up.com...	Ename Nep	8/27/05 10:35 p.m.
Re: New article at 1up.com...	zink	8/27/05 10:55 p.m.
Re: New article at 1up.com...	Ename Nep	8/27/05 11:07 p.m.
Everything he wrote is correct.	JakeDaGreat	8/27/05 11:42 p.m.
Re: Everything he wrote is correct.	Devil Mingy	8/27/05 11:49 p.m.
Re: Everything he wrote is correct.	JakeDaGreat	8/28/05 12:13 a.m.
Re: Everything he wrote is correct.	Dave "IronSight"	8/28/05 11:51 p.m.
Re: Everything he wrote is correct.	lyKENthropy	8/29/05 1:48 p.m.
Re: Everything he wrote is correct.	Halo2needsthepistol	8/29/05 4:00 p.m.
Re: Everything he wrote is correct.	lyKENthropy	8/29/05 6:04 p.m.
You looking for a marksman?	[AMS] GreyThor	8/28/05 11:16 p.m.
Re: Everything he wrote is correct.	Doc Platinum	8/29/05 2:37 p.m.
Re: Everything he wrote is correct.	UNSCDF	8/29/05 5:09 p.m.
Re: Everything he wrote is correct.	Sep7imus [subnova]	8/29/05 2:41 p.m.
Re: Everything he wrote is correct.	Endbringer	8/29/05 3:04 p.m.
Re: Everything he wrote is correct.	hedfones	8/31/05 12:42 p.m.
That can't be right.	Pvt. Jenkins	8/28/05 12:59 a.m.
Re: That can't be right.	masterskill	8/28/05 3:04 a.m.
Re: That can't be right.	Ename Nep	8/28/05 4:23 a.m.
Re: New article at 1up.com...	Dean_Kreger	8/28/05 8:54 p.m.
Yes, broken halo.	WaLKa	8/28/05 10:49 p.m.
Re: Yes, broken halo.	Louis Wu	8/28/05 11:07 p.m.
Re: Yes, broken halo.	WaLKa	8/28/05 11:15 p.m.
Re: Yes, broken halo.	Louis Wu	8/28/05 11:19 p.m.
Re: Yes, broken halo.	[AMS] GreyThor	8/28/05 11:25 p.m.
Re: Yes, broken halo.	Louis Wu	8/28/05 11:27 p.m.
Re: Yes, broken halo.	[AMS] GreyThor	8/28/05 11:34 p.m.
Re: Yes, broken halo.	SuperMatt	8/29/05 4:59 a.m.
Re: Yes, broken halo.	shooty guy	8/31/05 2:58 p.m.
Re: Yes, broken halo.	Shocc	8/31/05 7:05 p.m.
Re: Yes, broken halo.	Count Zero	9/1/05 9:39 a.m.
Re: Yes, broken halo.	Spartan Jag	8/29/05 4:40 p.m.
Re: Yes, broken halo.	Scarab	8/30/05 1:11 a.m.
Re: Yes, broken halo.	shooty guy	8/31/05 3:04 p.m.
Re: Yes, broken halo.	Louis Wu	8/31/05 4:16 p.m.
Re: Yes, broken halo.	shooty guy	8/31/05 4:42 p.m.
Re: Yes, broken halo.	Scarab	8/31/05 8:25 p.m.
Re: Yes, broken halo.	Usul	8/31/05 9:41 a.m.
Re: New article at 1up.com...	Nug Blazer	8/28/05 11:14 p.m.
Re: New article at 1up.com...	Louis Wu	8/28/05 11:16 p.m.
Re: New article at 1up.com...	WaLKa	8/28/05 11:23 p.m.
Re: New article at 1up.com...	Louis Wu	8/28/05 11:25 p.m.
Re: New article at 1up.com...	WaLKa	8/28/05 11:28 p.m.
Re: New article at 1up.com...	Lion	8/29/05 8:13 p.m.
Louis	chaostheory101	8/29/05 8:40 p.m.
This is getting absurd.	Louis Wu	8/30/05 8:01 a.m.
Re: This is getting absurd.	Shocc	8/31/05 7:11 p.m.
Re: This is getting absurd.	Count Zero	9/1/05 9:38 a.m.
Re: This is getting absurd.	Shocc	9/1/05 5:12 p.m.
Bah.	Louis Wu	8/30/05 8:11 a.m.
Re: Louis	kapowaz	8/31/05 8:18 a.m.
Despite the previous message's subject line...	kapowaz	8/31/05 8:20 a.m.
Re: Louis	shooty guy	8/31/05 4:39 p.m.
Re: Louis	Louis Wu	8/31/05 4:46 p.m.
Re: New article at 1up.com...	zugy	8/29/05 12:24 a.m.
Re: New article at 1up.com...	Michael M.	8/28/05 11:52 p.m.
Re: New article at 1up.com...	WaLKa	8/29/05 12:08 a.m.
...What?	Michael M.	8/29/05 1:35 a.m.
Re: New article at 1up.com...	zugy	8/29/05 12:20 a.m.
Re: New article at 1up.com...	kapowaz	8/31/05 8:14 a.m.
Re: New article at 1up.com...	Louis Wu	8/31/05 10:32 a.m.
Re: New article at 1up.com...	mercury	8/31/05 12:39 p.m.
Re: New article at 1up.com...	Pizack	8/31/05 12:49 p.m.
It's all patchwork, folks	Mothergoat	8/28/05 11:54 p.m.
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Re: It's all patchwork, folks	zugy	8/29/05 12:18 a.m.
Re: It's all patchwork, folks	Louis Wu	8/29/05 12:23 a.m.
Re: eek, what did I say?	Mothergoat	8/29/05 1:11 a.m.
Re: eek, what did I say? addend	Mothergoat	8/29/05 1:16 a.m.
Re: Damnation =/= Chill Out	Mothergoat	8/29/05 1:39 a.m.
Re: eek, what did I say?	mnemesis	8/29/05 1:52 a.m.
...Some of us are more prone than others... *NM*	SOA	8/29/05 5:23 a.m.
Re: eek, what did I say?	Louis Wu	8/29/05 8:53 a.m.
Re: The A, B's & C's	Mothergoat	8/29/05 9:27 a.m.
Re: It's all patchwork, folks	profhalo	8/29/05 3:18 a.m.
Re: It's all patchwork, folks	Endbringer	8/29/05 2:13 p.m.
Re: It's all patchwork, folks	Halo2needsthepistol	8/29/05 4:13 p.m.
Re: It's all patchwork, folks	Louis Wu	8/29/05 4:17 p.m.
Re: It's all patchwork, folks	zink	8/31/05 12:05 p.m.
good atricle	profhalo	8/29/05 2:39 a.m.
Re: good atricle	Louis Wu	8/29/05 9:04 a.m.
Re: good atricle	[AMS] GreyThor	8/29/05 4:39 p.m.
Re: New article at 1up.com...	Pkmnrulz240	8/29/05 10:56 a.m.
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Re: New article at 1up.com...	Varsis	8/29/05 12:56 p.m.
Re: New article at 1up.com...	ratboy	8/29/05 1:23 p.m.
Re: New article at 1up.com...	Overswarm	8/29/05 4:35 p.m.
Re: On 'competitive-ness' in Halo 2	Sep7imus [subnova]	8/30/05 9:24 a.m.
Re: On 'competitive-ness' in Halo 2	Overswarm	8/30/05 6:14 p.m.
Re: On 'competitive-ness' in Halo 2	Devil Mingy	8/30/05 8:18 p.m.
Re: On 'competitive-ness' in Halo 2	Sep7imus [subnova]	8/30/05 9:03 p.m.
Re: On 'competitive-ness' in Halo 2	Red Dingo	8/30/05 10:55 p.m.
Re: On 'competitive-ness' in Halo 2	Mattat	9/1/05 8:54 a.m.
my intelligence was assaulted *NM*	Cuda II	8/29/05 8:06 p.m.
I have something to say...	Whisp	8/31/05 3:00 p.m.
This is ridiculous	Locksmitch	8/31/05 8:17 p.m.
Re: This is ridiculous	Louis Wu	9/1/05 8:02 a.m.
Re: This is ridiculous	Locksmitch	9/1/05 4:26 p.m.
Re: This is ridiculous	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	9/1/05 5:31 p.m.
Re: This is ridiculous	Locksmitch	9/1/05 8:43 p.m.
Re: This is ridiculous	Count Zero	9/2/05 7:29 a.m.
Re: This is ridiculous	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	9/2/05 8:03 a.m.
My opinion.	Shocc	9/1/05 10:49 p.m.
Grenades on midship	Narcogen	9/2/05 2:52 a.m.