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| It's all patchwork, folks | |
| Posted By: Mothergoat <mothergoat@mothergoat.net> | Date: 8/28/05 11:54 p.m. |
In Response To: New article at 1up.com... (Ename Nep) : This story was covered on Slashdot, and one poster hit the nail on the head. : "ARTICLE SUMMARY: The game design has elements of stratedgy that I
Not at all. The way I read it, the point is that these "elements of strategy" are severely limited, not that he refuses to acknowledge them. I can't believe people hang such shallow retorts as a defensive banner. These same complaints are registered by players that exploit these flaws to win tournaments, beating most everyone they play. It's not fun to win using stagnant exploits, folks. -before I go on, remember, I love Halo 2, but compare it to its predecessor- When I win and our team has controlled the power weapons form the beginning and the opposing team spawns with SMGs, I feel scant satisfaction for getting the W. Yes, this horse has been beaten to a bloody pulp, but Mr. 1up guy is mostly right. (Not really sure about the invincible Banshee comment and the complete PP removal from MM) The non-spawn element brings strategy not to a complete halt, but to painful bumper-to-bumper traffic. (I will NOT go so far to say it's broken. That's a bit of hyperbole, don't you think?) Halo 2: Playing, playing playing...someone gets the power weapon and saves his last shot - game becomes an imbalanced stalemate since the other team has no chance of getting it again. Rocket/Beam guy can go hide anywhere, not constrained to the spawn point since it won't span ever again now. Halo 1: Damnation...To hog the rockets, you are stuck standing on the spawn point, not free to roam around and hide. Thus, you are open to fire from anywhere. There is risk involved in controlling power weapons in H1. Weapon respawns keep the ebb and flow exponentially encouraging MORE strategies. Halo 2 just ebbs, allowing minimal strategic planning...whether you win or lose. Many of the A+ fun moments from Halo 1 were (knowingly or unknowingly) cut in favor of B+ ideas like jacking and dual wielding. "Liked the way grenades affected vehicles in Halo 1 and gave you an awesome sense of satisfaction? Sorry, we want to encourage jacking so the vehicles will have to be near indestructible. Like accurately timing rocket splashes to flip vehicles? Can't do that either because of the aforementioned scenario. But, we'll make a lock-on feature that will give you an instant kill. " Satisfaction: dampened. A+ moments? Gone. There is an overabundance of these H1 A+ to H2 B+ moment trade offs that are ultimately discouraging (let's not forget dual wielding or lack of a server browser), but the horse is pulp. I'm not doing any more good I suppose. In the end, these are my opinions. Those are theirs. Yours are yours. And more relevantly, Bungie's are Bungie's. It will be interesting to see where they go with all of this outpouring of opinion for the past several months. All I know is I don't have as much fun playing Halo 2 compared to Halo 1. If that's the resounding cry from the fans, that should be the most powerful proof to investigate thre real reasons and revise, don't you think? | |
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| Replies: |
| New article at 1up.com... | Ename Nep | 8/27/05 9:59 p.m. |
| I was expecting more from 1-up | Devil Mingy | 8/27/05 10:07 p.m. |
| Re: I was expecting more from 1-up | Ename Nep | 8/27/05 10:33 p.m. |
| Re: I was expecting more from 1-up | Devil Mingy | 8/27/05 10:41 p.m. |
| Re: I was expecting more from 1-up | Ename Nep | 8/27/05 10:47 p.m. |
| Pathetic. I also expected more... | Spartan Jag | 8/29/05 10:40 a.m. |
| Re: I was expecting more from 1-up | kapowaz | 8/31/05 8:07 a.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | Paladin117 | 8/27/05 10:15 p.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | Paladin117 | 8/27/05 10:23 p.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | Ename Nep | 8/27/05 10:35 p.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | zink | 8/27/05 10:55 p.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | Ename Nep | 8/27/05 11:07 p.m. |
| Everything he wrote is correct. | JakeDaGreat | 8/27/05 11:42 p.m. |
| Re: Everything he wrote is correct. | Devil Mingy | 8/27/05 11:49 p.m. |
| Re: Everything he wrote is correct. | JakeDaGreat | 8/28/05 12:13 a.m. |
| Re: Everything he wrote is correct. | Dave "IronSight" | 8/28/05 11:51 p.m. |
| Re: Everything he wrote is correct. | lyKENthropy | 8/29/05 1:48 p.m. |
| Re: Everything he wrote is correct. | Halo2needsthepistol | 8/29/05 4:00 p.m. |
| Re: Everything he wrote is correct. | lyKENthropy | 8/29/05 6:04 p.m. |
| You looking for a marksman? | [AMS] GreyThor | 8/28/05 11:16 p.m. |
| Re: Everything he wrote is correct. | Doc Platinum | 8/29/05 2:37 p.m. |
| Re: Everything he wrote is correct. | UNSCDF | 8/29/05 5:09 p.m. |
| Re: Everything he wrote is correct. | Sep7imus [subnova] | 8/29/05 2:41 p.m. |
| Re: Everything he wrote is correct. | Endbringer | 8/29/05 3:04 p.m. |
| Re: Everything he wrote is correct. | hedfones | 8/31/05 12:42 p.m. |
| That can't be right. | Pvt. Jenkins | 8/28/05 12:59 a.m. |
| Re: That can't be right. | masterskill | 8/28/05 3:04 a.m. |
| Re: That can't be right. | Ename Nep | 8/28/05 4:23 a.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | Dean_Kreger | 8/28/05 8:54 p.m. |
| Yes, broken halo. | WaLKa | 8/28/05 10:49 p.m. |
| Re: Yes, broken halo. | Louis Wu | 8/28/05 11:07 p.m. |
| Re: Yes, broken halo. | WaLKa | 8/28/05 11:15 p.m. |
| Re: Yes, broken halo. | Louis Wu | 8/28/05 11:19 p.m. |
| Re: Yes, broken halo. | [AMS] GreyThor | 8/28/05 11:25 p.m. |
| Re: Yes, broken halo. | Louis Wu | 8/28/05 11:27 p.m. |
| Re: Yes, broken halo. | [AMS] GreyThor | 8/28/05 11:34 p.m. |
| Re: Yes, broken halo. | SuperMatt | 8/29/05 4:59 a.m. |
| Re: Yes, broken halo. | shooty guy | 8/31/05 2:58 p.m. |
| Re: Yes, broken halo. | Shocc | 8/31/05 7:05 p.m. |
| Re: Yes, broken halo. | Count Zero | 9/1/05 9:39 a.m. |
| Re: Yes, broken halo. | Spartan Jag | 8/29/05 4:40 p.m. |
| Re: Yes, broken halo. | Scarab | 8/30/05 1:11 a.m. |
| Re: Yes, broken halo. | shooty guy | 8/31/05 3:04 p.m. |
| Re: Yes, broken halo. | Louis Wu | 8/31/05 4:16 p.m. |
| Re: Yes, broken halo. | shooty guy | 8/31/05 4:42 p.m. |
| Re: Yes, broken halo. | Scarab | 8/31/05 8:25 p.m. |
| Re: Yes, broken halo. | Usul | 8/31/05 9:41 a.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | Nug Blazer | 8/28/05 11:14 p.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | Louis Wu | 8/28/05 11:16 p.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | WaLKa | 8/28/05 11:23 p.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | Louis Wu | 8/28/05 11:25 p.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | WaLKa | 8/28/05 11:28 p.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | Lion | 8/29/05 8:13 p.m. |
| Louis | chaostheory101 | 8/29/05 8:40 p.m. |
| This is getting absurd. | Louis Wu | 8/30/05 8:01 a.m. |
| Re: This is getting absurd. | Shocc | 8/31/05 7:11 p.m. |
| Re: This is getting absurd. | Count Zero | 9/1/05 9:38 a.m. |
| Re: This is getting absurd. | Shocc | 9/1/05 5:12 p.m. |
| Bah. | Louis Wu | 8/30/05 8:11 a.m. |
| Re: Louis | kapowaz | 8/31/05 8:18 a.m. |
| Despite the previous message's subject line... | kapowaz | 8/31/05 8:20 a.m. |
| Re: Louis | shooty guy | 8/31/05 4:39 p.m. |
| Re: Louis | Louis Wu | 8/31/05 4:46 p.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | zugy | 8/29/05 12:24 a.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | Michael M. | 8/28/05 11:52 p.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | WaLKa | 8/29/05 12:08 a.m. |
| ...What? | Michael M. | 8/29/05 1:35 a.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | zugy | 8/29/05 12:20 a.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | kapowaz | 8/31/05 8:14 a.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | Louis Wu | 8/31/05 10:32 a.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | mercury | 8/31/05 12:39 p.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | Pizack | 8/31/05 12:49 p.m. |
| It's all patchwork, folks | Mothergoat | 8/28/05 11:54 p.m. |
| Re: It's all patchwork, folks | Mothergoat | 8/29/05 12:00 a.m. |
| Re: It's all patchwork, folks | zugy | 8/29/05 12:18 a.m. |
| Re: It's all patchwork, folks | Louis Wu | 8/29/05 12:23 a.m. |
| Re: eek, what did I say? | Mothergoat | 8/29/05 1:11 a.m. |
| Re: eek, what did I say? addend | Mothergoat | 8/29/05 1:16 a.m. |
| Re: Damnation =/= Chill Out | Mothergoat | 8/29/05 1:39 a.m. |
| Re: eek, what did I say? | mnemesis | 8/29/05 1:52 a.m. |
| ...Some of us are more prone than others... *NM* | SOA | 8/29/05 5:23 a.m. |
| Re: eek, what did I say? | Louis Wu | 8/29/05 8:53 a.m. |
| Re: The A, B's & C's | Mothergoat | 8/29/05 9:27 a.m. |
| Re: It's all patchwork, folks | profhalo | 8/29/05 3:18 a.m. |
| Re: It's all patchwork, folks | Endbringer | 8/29/05 2:13 p.m. |
| Re: It's all patchwork, folks | Halo2needsthepistol | 8/29/05 4:13 p.m. |
| Re: It's all patchwork, folks | Louis Wu | 8/29/05 4:17 p.m. |
| Re: It's all patchwork, folks | zink | 8/31/05 12:05 p.m. |
| good atricle | profhalo | 8/29/05 2:39 a.m. |
| Re: good atricle | Louis Wu | 8/29/05 9:04 a.m. |
| Re: good atricle | [AMS] GreyThor | 8/29/05 4:39 p.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | Pkmnrulz240 | 8/29/05 10:56 a.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | Konrad | 8/29/05 12:05 p.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | zink | 8/31/05 3:17 p.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | Varsis | 8/29/05 12:56 p.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | ratboy | 8/29/05 1:23 p.m. |
| Re: New article at 1up.com... | Overswarm | 8/29/05 4:35 p.m. |
| Re: On 'competitive-ness' in Halo 2 | Sep7imus [subnova] | 8/30/05 9:24 a.m. |
| Re: On 'competitive-ness' in Halo 2 | Overswarm | 8/30/05 6:14 p.m. |
| Re: On 'competitive-ness' in Halo 2 | Devil Mingy | 8/30/05 8:18 p.m. |
| Re: On 'competitive-ness' in Halo 2 | Sep7imus [subnova] | 8/30/05 9:03 p.m. |
| Re: On 'competitive-ness' in Halo 2 | Red Dingo | 8/30/05 10:55 p.m. |
| Re: On 'competitive-ness' in Halo 2 | Mattat | 9/1/05 8:54 a.m. |
| my intelligence was assaulted *NM* | Cuda II | 8/29/05 8:06 p.m. |
| I have something to say... | Whisp | 8/31/05 3:00 p.m. |
| This is ridiculous | Locksmitch | 8/31/05 8:17 p.m. |
| Re: This is ridiculous | Louis Wu | 9/1/05 8:02 a.m. |
| Re: This is ridiculous | Locksmitch | 9/1/05 4:26 p.m. |
| Re: This is ridiculous | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 9/1/05 5:31 p.m. |
| Re: This is ridiculous | Locksmitch | 9/1/05 8:43 p.m. |
| Re: This is ridiculous | Count Zero | 9/2/05 7:29 a.m. |
| Re: This is ridiculous | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 9/2/05 8:03 a.m. |
| My opinion. | Shocc | 9/1/05 10:49 p.m. |
| Grenades on midship | Narcogen | 9/2/05 2:52 a.m. |
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