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Re: Cortana the immortal one - LONG
Posted By: Wado SG <wyamauchi@msn.com>Date: 5/12/05 4:17 p.m.

In Response To: Cortana the immortal one (UrsusArctos)

: Yep. Cortana has a life of only seven years as a smart AI (What? It's canon!
: Dont tell me you haven't heard that before???!!!) At the age of seven, she
: gets so smart she forgets to "breathe".

: Cortana is based directly off Dr. Halsey, but with the doctor's personality
: something else may have come: self-preservation. Although Halsey will
: sacrifice herself for humanity's cause, and Cortana almost certainly would
: do so if the situation demanded, she wouldn't want to die so soon-and
: she'd almost certainly be aware of it.

: Combine the human fear of death (Which Halsey obviously has) and the anger
: and regret of not being able to live long enough to gather so much awesome
: forerunner information and help humanity live its war with the prophets,
: and you get an AI desperate to preserve herself-so desperate that she
: could do something crazy.

: She is growing older now, she must have evolved plenty during recent events.
: The finding of gravemind might be a godsend for her-Gravemind could take
: over some of 2401 PT's functions, isn't it possible, somehow, that she
: could try merging herself with him, both in mind and physical form
: (storage crystal?).

: That would give her the extension of life she wanted, and becoming one with
: gravemind would probably turn the flood into a weapon far beyond
: imagination-but directed at a far higher purpose than eradicating life,
: perhaps even something beneficial for us-and perhaps succeed where the
: forerunners failed.

: Top it all, she's Halsey. How can she get rid of humanity, unless she's been
: corrupted horribly-which would be very hard to do with someone with such
: great will?

: I think her motives encompass those of Leela and Durandal, but her methods
: are considerably different...at the moment.

My rant about Cortana and "Gravemind, what have you done for me lately..."

Motives can be so alien when one does not identify with the being. Cortana is not human, it would be misguided to know the motives of someone with vastly more knowledge and brain power than a human. The only motives we identify with are those from the human roots of Cortana. The rest could be alien to our being.

Most truths are true only from a point of view, thus they contradict each other when we attempt to rationalize them from a multiple point of view. Immortality is one. From the point of view of an immortal some truths exist, but the same truths can be false fromt he point of view of a mortal.

Cortana is highly complex in that she is a contradiction, living at times from the point of view of immortality and yet is mortal.

For instance, one can be considered immortal through having children and thus your DNA continues beyond death, but to a mortal being, children or not, death comes. A contradiction? How can you be dead yet be immortal?

What can Gravemind "give" Cortana? Gravemind may have the ability to change Cortana to give her the ability to have children, and through her children she will continue on, reincarnated.

Cortana does not have the ability on her own to create life. She can clone herself, but each clone would still reach the same point of death without progression. This is different than having the ability to live through new beings/children that can have independent thought which I would describe for Cortana as more of a metamorphesis, a progression to a higher form of life.

Furthermore, there is a Covenant AI whose origins are unknown in First Strike that has the code to reproduce. It is described as cancerous in that much of its being is incumbered by this ability to reproduce.

Unfortunately, this is what is in store for Cortana should she go the route of assistance from Gravemind. Cortana could gain the gift of giving life, but as mortals we can see it is a lie, that instead she will become diluted. Only a shadow of her former self with her power spread out among many processes and "children".

There is a price to immortality, choose wisely.

End of rant.


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Cortana the immortal oneUrsusArctos 5/12/05 7:32 a.m.
     Re: Cortana the immortal oneOllie 5/12/05 9:25 a.m.
     Re: Cortana the immortal onenoah! 5/12/05 11:28 a.m.
     Re: Cortana the immortal oneJillybean 5/12/05 12:15 p.m.
           Re: Cortana the immortal oneEchoes 5/12/05 4:14 p.m.
                 Re: Cortana the immortal oneJillybean 5/12/05 4:31 p.m.
                       Re: Cortana the immortal oneEchoes 5/12/05 4:35 p.m.
                             Re: Cortana the immortal oneWado SG 5/12/05 4:50 p.m.
                                   Re: Cortana the immortal oneEchoes 5/12/05 4:56 p.m.
                                         Re: Cortana the immortal oneWado SG 5/12/05 5:12 p.m.
                                   Context schmontextJillybean 5/12/05 7:19 p.m.
                                         Re: Context schmontextEchoes 5/12/05 8:05 p.m.
                                               I have to side with JillyBean hereCody Miller 5/12/05 10:07 p.m.
                                                     Re: I have to side with JillyBean hereJillybean 5/13/05 4:13 a.m.
                                                           Re: I have to side with JillyBean hereToejamfrog 5/14/05 1:48 p.m.
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                                                                 Re: I have to side with JillyBean hereJillybean 5/14/05 4:28 p.m.
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                                                                 Oh but of courseJillybean 5/19/05 5:54 a.m.
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                                                                             I have a pointJillybean 5/19/05 10:33 a.m.
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                                         Re: Context schmontextWado SG 5/12/05 8:57 p.m.
                                               Re: Context schmontext - mildly LONGSilent Knight 5/18/05 8:17 a.m.
                                         And?doctor_nightfall 5/19/05 6:51 a.m.
                                               An apology...doctor_nightfall 5/19/05 8:18 a.m.
                                                     Re: An apology...Ma1agate 5/19/05 10:01 a.m.
                                                           *EXTREAMLY OT* But i just cant help myself.Siber 5/19/05 1:08 p.m.
                                                                 Re: *EXTREAMLY OT* But i just cant help myself.mercury 5/19/05 3:22 p.m.
                                                                       Re: *EXTREAMLY OT* But i just cant help myself.Ma1agate 5/19/05 3:33 p.m.
                                                                             Re: *EXTREAMLY OT* But i just cant help myself.mercury 5/19/05 4:42 p.m.
                                                                 Re: *EXTREAMLY OT* But i just cant help myself.Ma1agate 5/19/05 3:30 p.m.
                       Re: Cortana the immortal onemercury 5/12/05 4:39 p.m.
           Re: Cortana the immortal onescarab 5/13/05 1:31 p.m.
                 Re: Cortana the immortal oneSpec ops Grunt 5/13/05 3:56 p.m.
                       I'll get back to you when I've checked *NM*scarab 5/13/05 9:14 p.m.
                       Re: Cortana the immortal onescarab 5/14/05 3:48 a.m.
                             Re: Cortana the immortal oneReiginko 5/14/05 11:05 a.m.
                                   Re: Cortana the immortal onescarab 5/14/05 2:48 p.m.
     Re: Cortana the immortal one - LONGWado SG 5/12/05 4:17 p.m.
           Re: Cortana the immortal one - LONGUrsusArctos 5/12/05 6:29 p.m.
                 Re: Cortana the immortal one - LONGWado SG 5/12/05 6:48 p.m.
                       Re: Cortana the immortal one - LONGUrsusArctos 5/13/05 2:18 a.m.
     Re: Cortana the immortal oneCody Miller 5/12/05 10:11 p.m.
           Re: Cortana the immortal oneUrsusArctos 5/13/05 2:19 a.m.
           Re: Cortana the immortal oneReiginko 5/13/05 10:14 a.m.
     Re: Cortana the immortal onezugy 5/13/05 9:08 a.m.
           Re: Cortana the immortal oneBlazorax 5/13/05 10:53 a.m.
                 Re: Cortana the immortal oneSpec ops Grunt 5/13/05 4:01 p.m.
                 Re: Cortana the immortal oneTycho/Howard 5/13/05 6:39 p.m.
     Re: Cortana the immortal onemr_mcmurder 5/13/05 12:25 p.m.
           Re: Cortana the immortal oneUrsusArctos 5/14/05 5:59 a.m.
     Re: Cortana the immortal oneM.Sadlon 5/13/05 6:10 p.m.
     So will she reprogram the Flood?Bigjooj 5/14/05 7:31 p.m.
           Re: So will she reprogram the Flood?UrsusArctos 5/15/05 4:04 a.m.
                 Re: So will she reprogram the Flood?Draxxion 5/15/05 6:22 p.m.
                       On reprogramming the Flood- LONGMorgalad 5/17/05 8:50 a.m.
                             Re: On reprogramming the FloodM.Sadlon 5/17/05 11:55 a.m.
                                   Re: On reprogramming the FloodMorgalad 5/18/05 9:24 a.m.
                                   Re: On reprogramming the FloodSiber 5/18/05 3:05 p.m.
                                         Re: On reprogramming the Flood58 5/18/05 5:12 p.m.
                                               Re: On reprogramming the FloodM.Sadlon 5/18/05 6:39 p.m.
                                                     A woman scorned...........Bigjooj 5/19/05 1:30 a.m.
                                                           Re: A woman scorned...........Draxxion 5/24/05 5:10 p.m.
                                                                 Re: A woman scorned...........HAVOC II 5/24/05 5:25 p.m.
                                                                       Re: A woman scorned...........58 5/24/05 5:58 p.m.
                                                                             Re: A woman scorned...........HAVOC II 5/24/05 6:08 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: A woman scorned...........58 5/24/05 6:34 p.m.
                                                                             Re: A woman scorned...........UrsusArctos 5/24/05 6:40 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: A woman scorned...........58 5/24/05 7:14 p.m.
                                                                 Re: A woman scorned...........58 5/24/05 5:38 p.m.
                                                                       Re: A woman scorned...........Scaraby 5/24/05 5:51 p.m.
                                                                       Re: A woman scorned...........UrsusArctos 5/24/05 6:36 p.m.
     Can't Cortana purge when she's in danger? *NM* *NM*Shadowsniper689 5/24/05 6:22 p.m.
           Re: Can't Cortana purge when she's in danger?UrsusArctos 5/24/05 6:38 p.m.
                 Re: Can't Cortana purge when she's in danger?o81as 5/24/05 7:47 p.m.
                       Re: Can't Cortana purge when she's in danger?58 5/25/05 6:17 a.m.
                 Re: Can't Cortana purge when she's in danger?M.Sadlon 5/24/05 8:10 p.m.
                       Re: Can't Cortana purge when she's in danger?58 5/25/05 6:17 a.m.
                             Re: Can't Cortana purge when she's in danger?M.Sadlon 5/25/05 8:02 p.m.
     Re: Cortana the immortal oneHaloFanatic101 5/24/05 8:01 p.m.



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