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Re: A nice hypothesis... | |
Posted By: Leisandir <joecooperstein@hotmail.com> | Date: 12/28/12 11:53 a.m. |
In Response To: Re: A nice hypothesis... (Cody Miller) : I'm willing to bet it wasn't the logic itself, but the lack of emotional : engagement. These are easy things to latch on to and say why it didn't : work. But most of that is not fixed in the Phantom Edit, yet it works much : better as a film because what was fixed was the audience engagement. : This is basically my point summed up. Halo 4 didn't have big inconstancies. But it did! I'm not sure how you can argue that a ship morphing into a completely different ship isn't a big inconsistency, or how the Didact's actions make any sense. : I suppose it's possible to have such bad logic it takes you out of the story,
I enjoyed Halo 4 and was emotionally engaged, but I was constantly aware of things that didn't quite make sense. None of them were things which would have taken away from the emotional engagement had they been rectified, but their presence affected the experience in a negative way. : Reach was not engaging emotionally at all and missed nearly ALL the beats. : Isn't my statement OBVIOUSLY ONE OF OPINION? Do I really have to put IN MY
It's something that's taken me a while to realize, but most people do specify when they're presenting an opinion versus asserting a fact. You don't, and that's one of the things that's confused me when discussing things with you. You're right, we should be aware that anything you say is your opinion, but it can be difficult with your phrasing. Example: the above statement re: Reach. NsU Soldier suggested that Reach hit the emotional beats just fine for him, and your response isn't "Curious, I didn't feel the same," it's a complete denial of his statement. That makes it appear as though you are presenting fact and not opinion. : Sure, but the difference is not as pronounced as you think, and making your
One of the basic rules of storytelling is that actions logically follow from previous actions. As with all rules, it can be broken, but it has to be done intentionally and with purpose, and not just because you don't care. Of course the sci-fi epic is in opposition to reality, but that doesn't mean that it can safely ignore B follows A. : Those are all absolutely tiny things that have no bearing on the emotional
: I've seen Back to the Future 200 times, and that movie makes no sense
And finally: a story doesn't have to follow logically to be enjoyable. It also doesn't have to not. Anything that is enjoyed by a person has merits, and we all enjoy things for different reasons. Back to the Future is great fun, but not particularly deep. That doesn't make it bad but it means you're enjoying it for different reasons than you enjoy something else. A lot of Halo fans, at least those which follow the campaign and don't stick exclusively to multiplayer, like a good action romp, but not at the expense of a logically consistent story.
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Stop with your logic | Cody Miller | 12/28/12 1:49 a.m. |
Re: Stop with your logic *SP* | Jaydee | 12/28/12 2:44 a.m. |
I.. Uhhh.... Agree...? With.... You.... | Lurono | 12/28/12 3:22 a.m. |
Also meant Adywan instead of Adi-Wan *NM* | Lurono | 12/28/12 3:26 a.m. |
Re: I.. Uhhh.... Agree...? With.... You.... | Cody Miller | 12/28/12 11:38 a.m. |
Email sent *NM* | Lurono | 12/28/12 8:56 p.m. |
Re: Stop with your logic | uberfoop | 12/28/12 3:22 a.m. |
Re: Stop with your logic *SP* | rhubarb | 12/28/12 5:39 a.m. |
Re: Stop with your logic | DEEP NNN | 12/28/12 7:43 a.m. |
Re: Stop with your logic | Metalingus627 | 12/28/12 9:43 a.m. |
I like this post. *NM* | SonofMacPhisto | 12/28/12 10:58 a.m. |
A nice hypothesis... | NsU Soldier | 12/28/12 11:05 a.m. |
Re: A nice hypothesis... | Cody Miller | 12/28/12 11:31 a.m. |
Re: A nice hypothesis... | Leisandir | 12/28/12 11:53 a.m. |
Re: A nice hypothesis... | SonofMacPhisto | 12/28/12 11:55 a.m. |
Re: A nice hypothesis... | Cody Miller | 12/28/12 12:11 p.m. |
Re: A nice hypothesis... | SonofMacPhisto | 12/28/12 5:01 p.m. |
Re: A nice hypothesis... | NsU Soldier | 12/28/12 12:19 p.m. |
This! | Chewbaccawakka | 12/28/12 12:59 p.m. |
The Loftus Approach | Leviathan | 12/28/12 11:16 a.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 12/28/12 11:24 a.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | mc_leprechaun | 12/28/12 11:27 a.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | The Lionheart | 12/28/12 5:28 p.m. |
Qouth the Falcon, "YES!" *NM* | NsU Soldier | 12/28/12 11:33 a.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | Cody Miller | 12/28/12 11:35 a.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | SonGoharotto | 12/28/12 11:38 a.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 12/28/12 3:09 p.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | Cody Miller | 12/28/12 3:22 p.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 12/28/12 5:56 p.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | Cody Miller | 12/29/12 12:47 a.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | Cody Miller | 12/29/12 1:26 a.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | Simpsons Rule | 12/29/12 1:56 a.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | uberfoop | 12/29/12 5:15 a.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | Simpsons Rule | 12/29/12 2:49 p.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | uberfoop | 12/29/12 9:46 p.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 12/29/12 9:52 p.m. |
Talking about this? *IMG* | The Lionheart | 12/30/12 4:54 p.m. |
Re: Talking about this? *IMG* | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 12/30/12 5:52 p.m. |
Ah, okay. | The Lionheart | 12/30/12 6:03 p.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | Gravemind | 12/30/12 5:07 p.m. |
Thank you for this post. *NM* | The Lionheart | 12/30/12 4:15 p.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | Ragashingo | 12/29/12 2:42 a.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 12/29/12 11:21 a.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | Cody Miller | 12/29/12 11:56 a.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | Leisandir | 12/29/12 1:20 p.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | Cody Miller | 12/29/12 3:36 p.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | Leisandir | 12/29/12 3:38 p.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 12/29/12 9:38 p.m. |
Same here. *NM* | The Lionheart | 12/30/12 5:01 p.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 12/29/12 9:42 p.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | Cody Miller | 12/30/12 11:55 a.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 12/30/12 1:27 p.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | The Lionheart | 12/30/12 5:25 p.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | Archilen | 12/30/12 11:36 p.m. |
Seconded. *NM* | The Lionheart | 12/30/12 4:59 p.m. |
Re: The Loftus Approach | SonofMacPhisto | 12/28/12 5:19 p.m. |
Wow, that sounds like my kinda guy! | The Lionheart | 12/28/12 5:35 p.m. |
Agree with this also. *NM* | The Lionheart | 12/28/12 5:30 p.m. |
*applauds* You're so awesome, Levi. | Gravemind | 12/28/12 1:26 p.m. |
TOOK THE WORDS OUT OF MY MOUTH *NM* | The Lionheart | 12/28/12 5:28 p.m. |
*Salute* *NM* | Quirel | 12/28/12 5:40 p.m. |
I don't disagree, but... | SonGoharotto | 12/28/12 11:29 a.m. |
My bad | SonGoharotto | 12/28/12 11:36 a.m. |
Re: Stop with your logic | scarab | 12/28/12 12:09 p.m. |
Re: Stop with your logic | Cody Miller | 12/28/12 12:14 p.m. |
It wasn't emotionally compelling for me at all... | Phoenix_9286 | 12/28/12 1:21 p.m. |
No. | Quirel | 12/28/12 6:15 p.m. |
Very well said, sir. *NM* | Leisandir | 12/28/12 8:11 p.m. |
As always, I agree with Quirel | Ibeechu | 12/28/12 10:38 p.m. |
Re: As always, I agree with Quirel | Cody Miller | 12/29/12 1:18 a.m. |
Re: As always, I agree with Quirel | scarab | 12/29/12 5:02 a.m. |
Not quite. | Quirel | 12/30/12 3:15 a.m. |
I know this is slightly OT, but . . . . | Leisandir | 12/30/12 8:49 a.m. |
Re: I know this is slightly OT, but . . . . | Quirel | 12/30/12 1:50 p.m. |
Re: No. | TDSpiral | 12/29/12 12:09 a.m. |
Re: No. | Quirel | 12/30/12 3:33 p.m. |
Re: No. | scarab | 12/31/12 8:51 a.m. |
This is the limbo that I find myself in now. *NM* | The Lionheart | 12/30/12 4:04 p.m. |
Re: No. | Cody Miller | 12/29/12 1:04 a.m. |
Re: No. | Flynn J Taggart | 12/29/12 2:12 a.m. |
Re: No. | Quirel | 12/31/12 1:57 a.m. |
Re: No. | uberfoop | 12/31/12 4:18 a.m. |
Re: No. | RC Master | 12/31/12 8:59 a.m. |
Your brain doesn't work the same way as mine. O_o *NM* | The Lionheart | 1/1/13 5:08 p.m. |
Re: Stop with your logic | Kermit | 12/28/12 10:59 p.m. |
Re: Stop with your logic | Ibeechu | 12/28/12 11:57 p.m. |
Consistency and the Rules of Two Worlds | NsU Soldier | 12/29/12 7:06 a.m. |
Re: Stop with your logic | Leisandir | 12/29/12 9:12 a.m. |
Re: Stop with your logic | scarab | 12/29/12 9:30 a.m. |
Re: Stop with your logic | Leisandir | 12/29/12 11:08 a.m. |
Tru dat | scarab | 12/29/12 12:11 p.m. |
Re: Tru dat | Leisandir | 12/29/12 1:22 p.m. |
Re: Tru dat | Cody Miller | 12/29/12 3:37 p.m. |
Re: Tru dat | Leisandir | 12/29/12 3:39 p.m. |
Re: Stop with your logic | Kermit | 12/29/12 3:33 p.m. |
Re: Stop with your logic | Ibeechu | 12/29/12 7:32 p.m. |
Totally disagree | Avateur | 12/29/12 1:04 a.m. |
Re: Totally disagree | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 12/29/12 11:30 a.m. |
Re: Totally disagree | Avateur | 12/29/12 1:47 p.m. |
Re: Totally disagree | Kalamari | 12/29/12 6:44 p.m. |
It's dog food? | scarab | 12/29/12 6:55 p.m. |
Re: Stop with your logic | General Vagueness | 1/5/13 7:40 p.m. |
Re: Stop with your logic *LONG* | Dundre | 1/7/13 7:42 a.m. |
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