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| Re: Tips for Reach | |
| Posted By: Narcogen <narcogen@rampancy.net> | Date: 11/17/09 5:30 a.m. |
In Response To: Re: Tips for Reach (Cody Miller) : It is absolutely necessary to compare. The only way to meaningfully say that : framerate makes no difference is to pick a list of games that have both : 30fps and 60fps versions, and see if there is a difference in sale between : the same game , since then framerate would be the only variable. You gain : nothing from looking at a bunch of well selling games and saying, oh gee : some are 60fps, some are 30fps this means framerate doesn't matter. Games : that aren't action oriented don't need high framerates. Look, I'm all for scientific rigor, and I agree that if you wanted to positively isolate the effects of framerate you'd need 30 and 60fps versions of identical games and a double blind test. Since such conditions do not, and most likely cannot exist, you are essentially saying "no one can make a decision regarding the economic benefits of increased framerates" and frankly that might be enough to convince developers it is not worth it, since if you cannot show an absence of a correlation then by the same token you cannot know definitively that one exists. The burden of proof should be on the proponent of the statement, "60fps is better"-- and in this case, not technically better, but economically better. Once we admit that, the question becomes what kind of information, even if it is incomplete and the methodology for collecting it is less than ideal, is available to evaluate decisions about where to allocate development resources? I'd argue the one used in the article is as good as any. If, given a broad enough selection of games, there is a positive correlation between a game's graphics score as a component of the review, but no correlation between the framerate and either the graphics score or the overall score, that is sufficient to determine that there is no correlation between framerate and review scores. It is not necessary to compare identical games, nor is it necessary to have a double blind test mechanism or a control group-- what is being measured is not the reviewer's experience of the game or their opinion, but whether or not the framerate appeared to operate as a factor in determining either graphics scores or review scores. The distribution of ratings showed no clear trend-- 60fps games as a class did not do better than 30fps games as a class. If the technical superiority of the higher framerate was relevant to review scores or sales figures, one would expect to see some hint of a trend. There isn't. : If your game is an action game, it will benefit more from running at 60fps
There is no argument about the point that there is a technical superiority. There is no point in denying it. The question is, when making an entertainment product, does creating that technical advantage lend benefits to the product in the marketplace that overcome any other tradeoffs you need to make in order to do it-- more developer-hours, fewer texture passes on the same graphics hardware. Insomniac's answer is that they don't think so, and they were kind enough to show their back-of-the-napkin comparisons that bolstered that conclusion for them. Bungie's answer, as evidenced in their development practices since 2000, is that they would also prefer to have more texture passes than a higher framerate. It is not too much of a stretch to tentatively conclude that this is because they share Insomniac's opinion (or rather that Insomniac now shares Bungie's opinion) that all other things being equal you are better off using GPU cycles to make things more visually appealing than to increase the framerate. It's not a technical decision-- it's a business decision, made with the best available information, even if that information is imperfect, and even if it suggests a technically suboptimal solution. Sometimes "good enough" is good enough.
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| Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/9/09 9:26 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Leisandir | 11/9/09 9:33 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/9/09 9:36 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | serpx | 11/9/09 9:38 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | InnerRayg | 11/9/09 9:39 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Devin Olsen | 11/9/09 9:46 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Crab | 11/9/09 9:49 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | SPARTAN 294 | 11/9/09 9:56 p.m. |
| agreein with this post *NM* | Hawaiian Pig | 11/9/09 10:02 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | InnerRayg | 11/10/09 2:05 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 2:12 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/10/09 2:49 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 3:01 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/10/09 3:23 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 1:43 p.m. |
| Completely agree | Metalingus627 | 11/10/09 2:18 p.m. |
| Re: Completely agree | Narcogen | 11/10/09 11:55 p.m. |
| Re: Completely agree | Metalingus627 | 11/11/09 3:52 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/10/09 3:00 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 5:25 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/10/09 11:53 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/11/09 2:20 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/11/09 5:17 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/11/09 2:32 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | chris101b | 11/11/09 12:43 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/12/09 6:01 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | chris101b | 11/13/09 1:27 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | InnerRayg | 11/10/09 6:53 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Hunt3r | 11/9/09 9:55 p.m. |
| agreein with this post *NM* | Hawaiian Pig | 11/9/09 9:59 p.m. |
| and a P.S. : | Hunt3r | 11/9/09 10:02 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Ragashingo | 11/9/09 10:53 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Leisandir | 11/11/09 3:05 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/9/09 9:55 p.m. |
| agreein with this post *NM* | Hawaiian Pig | 11/9/09 10:00 p.m. |
| Would be better if it was actual AI doing that | RC Master | 11/10/09 8:08 p.m. |
| Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that | Hedgemony | 11/10/09 8:16 p.m. |
| Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that | RC Master | 11/10/09 8:22 p.m. |
| Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that | Hedgemony | 11/10/09 8:33 p.m. |
| Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that | RC Master | 11/10/09 8:48 p.m. |
| Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that | Vincent | 11/11/09 2:47 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | kanbo | 11/9/09 10:04 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | dizzy | 11/9/09 10:18 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Bernard Strauss | 11/9/09 10:41 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v. | Hedgemony | 11/9/09 11:53 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v. | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 2:08 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v. | SonofMacPhisto | 11/10/09 9:24 a.m. |
| What have you started? | scarab | 11/10/09 9:34 a.m. |
| Re: What have you started? | Louis Wu | 11/10/09 9:38 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Captain Spark | 11/9/09 10:29 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Ragashingo | 11/9/09 10:59 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Captain Spark | 11/9/09 11:03 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/9/09 11:14 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Hawaiian Pig | 11/10/09 2:47 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Rosco-128 | 11/9/09 10:38 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/9/09 11:19 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Rosco-128 | 11/9/09 11:56 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/10/09 12:29 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Bry | 11/10/09 8:47 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | scarab | 11/10/09 9:48 a.m. |
| EEK ODST *SP* ^^^^ *NM* | scarab | 11/10/09 9:50 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Metalingus627 | 11/10/09 2:24 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | The BS Police | 11/9/09 10:40 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cortana 5 | 11/9/09 10:42 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | The BS Police | 11/9/09 10:49 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cortana 5 | 11/9/09 10:56 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Hawaiian Pig | 11/9/09 11:00 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Hunt3r | 11/9/09 11:20 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/9/09 11:24 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Hedgemony | 11/9/09 11:04 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | ArteenEsben | 11/9/09 10:47 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/9/09 11:29 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | ArteenEsben | 11/10/09 10:38 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | RC Master | 11/10/09 8:46 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Ragashingo | 11/9/09 10:48 p.m. |
| My Tip for Reach | ZaneZavin | 11/9/09 11:21 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | bluerunner | 11/10/09 9:45 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 11/10/09 10:50 a.m. |
| Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon/H1 | Avateur | 11/9/09 11:03 p.m. |
| speaking of reach... | crzymnky069 | 11/9/09 11:07 p.m. |
| Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon | Narcogen | 11/10/09 12:12 a.m. |
| Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon | Avateur | 11/10/09 12:40 a.m. |
| Reachathon? | Narcogen | 11/10/09 3:11 a.m. |
| Re: Reachathon? | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 12:41 p.m. |
| Re: Reachathon? | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/10/09 1:37 p.m. |
| Re: Reachathon? | Hedgemony | 11/10/09 2:19 p.m. |
| Re: Reachathon? | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 3:26 p.m. |
| Re: Reachathon? | Narcogen | 11/11/09 12:08 a.m. |
| Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 2:06 a.m. |
| Heresy! | Narcogen | 11/10/09 3:30 a.m. |
| Re: Heresy! | Avateur | 11/10/09 3:37 a.m. |
| Re: Heresy! | Narcogen | 11/10/09 4:08 a.m. |
| Re: Heresy! | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 12:26 p.m. |
| 5 minutes to learn, a lifetime to master | RC Master | 11/10/09 9:16 p.m. |
| Re: Heresy! | Narcogen | 11/11/09 12:12 a.m. |
| Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon | Bry | 11/10/09 7:18 a.m. |
| Adjustable Auto Aim | ManKitten | 11/9/09 11:31 p.m. |
| Re: Adjustable Auto Aim | crzymnky069 | 11/9/09 11:49 p.m. |
| Re: Adjustable Auto Aim | urk | 11/10/09 10:32 a.m. |
| Re: Adjustable Auto Aim | ManKitten | 11/10/09 1:17 p.m. |
| Re: Adjustable Auto Aim | Gravemind | 11/11/09 1:00 p.m. |
| Re: Adjustable Auto Aim | RC Master | 11/10/09 9:21 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | reprobate | 11/10/09 12:26 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/10/09 12:35 a.m. |
| First Person View! | Cody Moore | 11/10/09 1:14 a.m. |
| Re: First Person View! | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 2:23 a.m. |
| Third Person View! | Narcogen | 11/10/09 3:37 a.m. |
| Re: Third Person View! | bluerunner | 11/10/09 9:27 a.m. |
| Re: Third Person View! Longish rant... | Hedgemony | 11/10/09 2:05 p.m. |
| Re: Third Person View! Longish rant... | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 2:59 p.m. |
| Re: Third Person View! Longish rant... | Hedgemony | 11/10/09 4:35 p.m. |
| Re: Third Person View! Longish rant... | General Vagueness | 11/10/09 4:06 p.m. |
| Re: Third Person View! | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 2:28 p.m. |
| Re: First Person View! | ArteenEsben | 11/10/09 10:51 a.m. |
| Re: First Person View! | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 11/10/09 10:58 a.m. |
| Re: First Person View! | ArteenEsben | 11/10/09 11:20 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 2:08 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Bungiez | 11/10/09 1:09 a.m. |
| i wanna say this is kp *NM* | Hawaiian Pig | 11/10/09 2:39 a.m. |
| Re: i wanna say this is kp | Louis Wu | 11/10/09 8:30 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Someone | 11/10/09 2:10 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | scarab | 11/10/09 5:17 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Bernard Strauss | 11/10/09 4:12 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | scarab | 11/10/09 5:04 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | DrDoctor | 11/10/09 2:14 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Bry | 11/10/09 5:35 a.m. |
| Wort wort wort | Cody Moore | 11/10/09 6:05 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | hyokin | 11/10/09 10:25 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | Louis Wu | 11/10/09 10:44 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | c0ld vengeance | 11/10/09 12:36 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | Arkesane | 11/10/09 12:47 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | padraig08 | 11/10/09 1:02 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | Avateur | 11/10/09 12:47 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | c0ld vengeance | 11/10/09 12:52 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | bluerunner | 11/10/09 1:01 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | Louis Wu | 11/10/09 1:53 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | FyreWulff | 11/10/09 5:12 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 2:02 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | urk | 11/10/09 10:43 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/10/09 10:45 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 11/10/09 10:54 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 12:44 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/11/09 12:20 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Hawaiian Pig | 11/10/09 3:30 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/10/09 10:48 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/10/09 11:23 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | padraig08 | 11/10/09 1:20 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | RC Master | 11/11/09 8:34 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/11/09 8:44 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | RC Master | 11/11/09 9:58 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | RC Master | 11/11/09 9:59 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/11/09 10:20 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/11/09 12:47 p.m. |
| •No barriers or kill zones anywhere in the game. | c0ld vengeance | 11/10/09 12:03 p.m. |
| Wow, beat me to it. | profhalo | 11/10/09 1:13 p.m. |
| Re: Wow, beat me to it. | Cody Moore | 11/10/09 4:59 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/10/09 1:26 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Matt | 11/10/09 3:44 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 3:50 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | SonofMacPhisto | 11/10/09 4:26 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/10/09 4:39 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | nash--housewares | 11/10/09 4:50 p.m. |
| At-least-semi-valid jackassery. *NM* | Eiii | 11/10/09 7:11 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | ManKitten | 11/10/09 8:37 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/11/09 12:24 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Matt | 11/11/09 12:04 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/11/09 12:36 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/11/09 1:21 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Ducain | 11/11/09 1:28 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | ManKitten | 11/11/09 1:29 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/11/09 10:37 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Hedgemony | 11/11/09 10:53 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Matt | 11/11/09 2:11 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/11/09 3:12 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/11/09 3:46 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Hunt3r | 11/11/09 3:53 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/11/09 10:43 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Hawaiian Pig | 11/12/09 3:16 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Bry | 11/12/09 3:39 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/12/09 4:55 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/12/09 12:38 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/12/09 12:45 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/12/09 12:54 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/12/09 1:05 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/12/09 1:22 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/13/09 1:20 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/13/09 2:54 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/13/09 4:16 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/13/09 2:53 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Mercury | 11/13/09 4:03 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/13/09 11:21 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/14/09 12:57 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/12/09 2:24 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Hedgemony | 11/12/09 4:47 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Hunt3r | 11/12/09 5:06 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/13/09 1:16 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/13/09 1:31 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/13/09 1:41 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Mercury | 11/13/09 3:49 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/13/09 10:31 p.m. |
| Tips for arguments. | Mercury | 11/12/09 5:41 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for arguments. | elessar787 | 11/13/09 1:29 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for arguments. | Mercury | 11/13/09 3:35 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | RC Master | 11/12/09 6:21 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/13/09 1:35 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/13/09 5:56 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/13/09 8:36 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/13/09 10:59 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/14/09 1:03 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/14/09 2:39 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/14/09 4:02 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/14/09 1:47 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | scarab | 11/14/09 2:43 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/14/09 3:58 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/14/09 4:26 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/14/09 5:13 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/14/09 5:38 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Vincent | 11/14/09 5:49 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/14/09 7:14 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/14/09 7:19 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | RC Master | 11/14/09 11:56 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/14/09 12:36 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/13/09 1:28 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/13/09 1:39 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Leviathan | 11/12/09 6:29 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Bry | 11/12/09 1:24 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Captain Spark | 11/12/09 1:25 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/13/09 8:11 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 11/13/09 8:26 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/12/09 9:48 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | scarab | 11/12/09 11:09 a.m. |
| "Accessable hardcore games." | Gravemind | 11/12/09 8:29 p.m. |
| Re: "Accessable hardcore games." | scarab | 11/13/09 5:16 a.m. |
| Re: "Accessable hardcore games." | Gravemind | 11/13/09 12:30 p.m. |
| Re: "Accessable hardcore games." | scarab | 11/13/09 2:23 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/12/09 9:46 a.m. |
| Pure Win, As Usual *NM* | Narcogen | 11/11/09 12:22 a.m. |
| Two things | rhubarb | 11/10/09 7:34 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Gravemind | 11/11/09 2:19 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Gravemind | 11/12/09 12:52 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Ducain | 11/12/09 10:30 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/12/09 11:05 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Mirel | 11/12/09 12:06 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Ducain | 11/12/09 1:21 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | zofinda | 11/12/09 1:27 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | DarkS7G | 11/12/09 1:54 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Mirel | 11/12/09 3:08 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Metalingus627 | 11/12/09 3:25 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/13/09 1:53 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | scarab | 11/13/09 5:56 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 2:26 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/16/09 2:38 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/16/09 2:48 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 12:03 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Leviathan | 11/16/09 3:16 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/16/09 6:11 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 11:55 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Ibeechu | 11/16/09 12:19 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Ibeechu | 11/16/09 12:21 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Dani | 11/16/09 12:27 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 12:35 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Dani | 11/16/09 12:43 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 2:18 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/16/09 3:01 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/16/09 2:16 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 2:24 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/16/09 9:04 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 9:56 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/17/09 5:30 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/17/09 12:45 p.m. |
| Framerate and buying habits | Narcogen | 11/18/09 5:51 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | sorahn | 11/17/09 1:59 a.m. |
| 60 seems unreal anyway. Keep it 45 if you ask me | Mirel | 11/16/09 3:19 a.m. |
| Bad idea | Narcogen | 11/16/09 6:08 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | FyreWulff | 11/16/09 6:54 a.m. |
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