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Re: Tips for Reach | |
Posted By: RC Master | Date: 11/14/09 11:56 a.m. |
In Response To: Re: Tips for Reach (elessar787) : So we should give Joe Schmoe who just picked up an xbox and this game called : Hallo the keys to designing this game? No. : If you answered no, then you just
I don't contend that experience with a game (either by playing it OR by observation) is required to form an opinion and offer useful advice. My point was (that you completely missed) that absolute mastery of a game is not a pre-requisite to offering useful advice and/or being able to design a good game. No-one at Bungie plays in the pro leagues, but I think we all agree that they're at least pretty good with designing games. : You know who Bungie called in to test out the new Mythic maps while in
Do you know what feedback Bungie get when people play test? Its not just the players verbal feedback after the session (which is actually quite often ignored, discounted, or only breifly considered since (FACT) most people have difficulty expressing thier opinions and feelings about a game or what could be done to improve it. SO, Bungie collect stats, they map where players go, what weapons they use, what they don't, what they die to, where they die, how they die etc. They watch the players play, see how they react to setbacks, see how they notice (or don't) visual clues, see if they get lost etc etc. Do you know who actually designs all the playlists? Shishka. Hes not an MLG Pro. Bungie has the same opinion as me: those best at the game != (not necessarily anyway) the best ones to design it. That is why you CANNOT pull the "i'm better at the game so obviously I know how better to advise bungie on designing it" card. Because everyone will just laugh at you.
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Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/9/09 9:26 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Leisandir | 11/9/09 9:33 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/9/09 9:36 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | serpx | 11/9/09 9:38 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | InnerRayg | 11/9/09 9:39 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Devin Olsen | 11/9/09 9:46 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Crab | 11/9/09 9:49 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | SPARTAN 294 | 11/9/09 9:56 p.m. |
agreein with this post *NM* | Hawaiian Pig | 11/9/09 10:02 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | InnerRayg | 11/10/09 2:05 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 2:12 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/10/09 2:49 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 3:01 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/10/09 3:23 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 1:43 p.m. |
Completely agree | Metalingus627 | 11/10/09 2:18 p.m. |
Re: Completely agree | Narcogen | 11/10/09 11:55 p.m. |
Re: Completely agree | Metalingus627 | 11/11/09 3:52 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/10/09 3:00 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 5:25 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/10/09 11:53 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/11/09 2:20 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/11/09 5:17 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/11/09 2:32 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | chris101b | 11/11/09 12:43 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/12/09 6:01 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | chris101b | 11/13/09 1:27 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | InnerRayg | 11/10/09 6:53 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Hunt3r | 11/9/09 9:55 p.m. |
agreein with this post *NM* | Hawaiian Pig | 11/9/09 9:59 p.m. |
and a P.S. : | Hunt3r | 11/9/09 10:02 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Ragashingo | 11/9/09 10:53 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Leisandir | 11/11/09 3:05 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/9/09 9:55 p.m. |
agreein with this post *NM* | Hawaiian Pig | 11/9/09 10:00 p.m. |
Would be better if it was actual AI doing that | RC Master | 11/10/09 8:08 p.m. |
Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that | Hedgemony | 11/10/09 8:16 p.m. |
Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that | RC Master | 11/10/09 8:22 p.m. |
Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that | Hedgemony | 11/10/09 8:33 p.m. |
Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that | RC Master | 11/10/09 8:48 p.m. |
Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that | Vincent | 11/11/09 2:47 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | kanbo | 11/9/09 10:04 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | dizzy | 11/9/09 10:18 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Bernard Strauss | 11/9/09 10:41 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v. | Hedgemony | 11/9/09 11:53 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v. | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 2:08 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v. | SonofMacPhisto | 11/10/09 9:24 a.m. |
What have you started? | scarab | 11/10/09 9:34 a.m. |
Re: What have you started? | Louis Wu | 11/10/09 9:38 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Captain Spark | 11/9/09 10:29 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Ragashingo | 11/9/09 10:59 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Captain Spark | 11/9/09 11:03 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/9/09 11:14 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Hawaiian Pig | 11/10/09 2:47 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Rosco-128 | 11/9/09 10:38 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/9/09 11:19 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Rosco-128 | 11/9/09 11:56 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/10/09 12:29 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Bry | 11/10/09 8:47 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | scarab | 11/10/09 9:48 a.m. |
EEK ODST *SP* ^^^^ *NM* | scarab | 11/10/09 9:50 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Metalingus627 | 11/10/09 2:24 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | The BS Police | 11/9/09 10:40 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cortana 5 | 11/9/09 10:42 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | The BS Police | 11/9/09 10:49 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cortana 5 | 11/9/09 10:56 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Hawaiian Pig | 11/9/09 11:00 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Hunt3r | 11/9/09 11:20 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/9/09 11:24 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Hedgemony | 11/9/09 11:04 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | ArteenEsben | 11/9/09 10:47 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/9/09 11:29 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | ArteenEsben | 11/10/09 10:38 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | RC Master | 11/10/09 8:46 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Ragashingo | 11/9/09 10:48 p.m. |
My Tip for Reach | ZaneZavin | 11/9/09 11:21 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | bluerunner | 11/10/09 9:45 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 11/10/09 10:50 a.m. |
Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon/H1 | Avateur | 11/9/09 11:03 p.m. |
speaking of reach... | crzymnky069 | 11/9/09 11:07 p.m. |
Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon | Narcogen | 11/10/09 12:12 a.m. |
Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon | Avateur | 11/10/09 12:40 a.m. |
Reachathon? | Narcogen | 11/10/09 3:11 a.m. |
Re: Reachathon? | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 12:41 p.m. |
Re: Reachathon? | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/10/09 1:37 p.m. |
Re: Reachathon? | Hedgemony | 11/10/09 2:19 p.m. |
Re: Reachathon? | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 3:26 p.m. |
Re: Reachathon? | Narcogen | 11/11/09 12:08 a.m. |
Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 2:06 a.m. |
Heresy! | Narcogen | 11/10/09 3:30 a.m. |
Re: Heresy! | Avateur | 11/10/09 3:37 a.m. |
Re: Heresy! | Narcogen | 11/10/09 4:08 a.m. |
Re: Heresy! | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 12:26 p.m. |
5 minutes to learn, a lifetime to master | RC Master | 11/10/09 9:16 p.m. |
Re: Heresy! | Narcogen | 11/11/09 12:12 a.m. |
Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon | Bry | 11/10/09 7:18 a.m. |
Adjustable Auto Aim | ManKitten | 11/9/09 11:31 p.m. |
Re: Adjustable Auto Aim | crzymnky069 | 11/9/09 11:49 p.m. |
Re: Adjustable Auto Aim | urk | 11/10/09 10:32 a.m. |
Re: Adjustable Auto Aim | ManKitten | 11/10/09 1:17 p.m. |
Re: Adjustable Auto Aim | Gravemind | 11/11/09 1:00 p.m. |
Re: Adjustable Auto Aim | RC Master | 11/10/09 9:21 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | reprobate | 11/10/09 12:26 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/10/09 12:35 a.m. |
First Person View! | Cody Moore | 11/10/09 1:14 a.m. |
Re: First Person View! | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 2:23 a.m. |
Third Person View! | Narcogen | 11/10/09 3:37 a.m. |
Re: Third Person View! | bluerunner | 11/10/09 9:27 a.m. |
Re: Third Person View! Longish rant... | Hedgemony | 11/10/09 2:05 p.m. |
Re: Third Person View! Longish rant... | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 2:59 p.m. |
Re: Third Person View! Longish rant... | Hedgemony | 11/10/09 4:35 p.m. |
Re: Third Person View! Longish rant... | General Vagueness | 11/10/09 4:06 p.m. |
Re: Third Person View! | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 2:28 p.m. |
Re: First Person View! | ArteenEsben | 11/10/09 10:51 a.m. |
Re: First Person View! | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 11/10/09 10:58 a.m. |
Re: First Person View! | ArteenEsben | 11/10/09 11:20 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 2:08 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Bungiez | 11/10/09 1:09 a.m. |
i wanna say this is kp *NM* | Hawaiian Pig | 11/10/09 2:39 a.m. |
Re: i wanna say this is kp | Louis Wu | 11/10/09 8:30 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Someone | 11/10/09 2:10 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | scarab | 11/10/09 5:17 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Bernard Strauss | 11/10/09 4:12 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | scarab | 11/10/09 5:04 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | DrDoctor | 11/10/09 2:14 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Bry | 11/10/09 5:35 a.m. |
Wort wort wort | Cody Moore | 11/10/09 6:05 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | hyokin | 11/10/09 10:25 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | Louis Wu | 11/10/09 10:44 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | c0ld vengeance | 11/10/09 12:36 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | Arkesane | 11/10/09 12:47 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | padraig08 | 11/10/09 1:02 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | Avateur | 11/10/09 12:47 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | c0ld vengeance | 11/10/09 12:52 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | bluerunner | 11/10/09 1:01 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | Louis Wu | 11/10/09 1:53 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | FyreWulff | 11/10/09 5:12 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 2:02 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | urk | 11/10/09 10:43 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/10/09 10:45 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 11/10/09 10:54 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 12:44 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/11/09 12:20 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Hawaiian Pig | 11/10/09 3:30 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/10/09 10:48 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/10/09 11:23 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | padraig08 | 11/10/09 1:20 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | RC Master | 11/11/09 8:34 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/11/09 8:44 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | RC Master | 11/11/09 9:58 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | RC Master | 11/11/09 9:59 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/11/09 10:20 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/11/09 12:47 p.m. |
•No barriers or kill zones anywhere in the game. | c0ld vengeance | 11/10/09 12:03 p.m. |
Wow, beat me to it. | profhalo | 11/10/09 1:13 p.m. |
Re: Wow, beat me to it. | Cody Moore | 11/10/09 4:59 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/10/09 1:26 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Matt | 11/10/09 3:44 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 3:50 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | SonofMacPhisto | 11/10/09 4:26 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/10/09 4:39 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | nash--housewares | 11/10/09 4:50 p.m. |
At-least-semi-valid jackassery. *NM* | Eiii | 11/10/09 7:11 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | ManKitten | 11/10/09 8:37 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/11/09 12:24 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Matt | 11/11/09 12:04 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/11/09 12:36 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/11/09 1:21 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Ducain | 11/11/09 1:28 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | ManKitten | 11/11/09 1:29 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/11/09 10:37 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Hedgemony | 11/11/09 10:53 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Matt | 11/11/09 2:11 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/11/09 3:12 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/11/09 3:46 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Hunt3r | 11/11/09 3:53 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/11/09 10:43 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Hawaiian Pig | 11/12/09 3:16 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Bry | 11/12/09 3:39 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/12/09 4:55 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/12/09 12:38 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/12/09 12:45 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/12/09 12:54 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/12/09 1:05 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/12/09 1:22 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/13/09 1:20 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/13/09 2:54 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/13/09 4:16 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/13/09 2:53 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Mercury | 11/13/09 4:03 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/13/09 11:21 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/14/09 12:57 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/12/09 2:24 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Hedgemony | 11/12/09 4:47 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Hunt3r | 11/12/09 5:06 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/13/09 1:16 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/13/09 1:31 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/13/09 1:41 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Mercury | 11/13/09 3:49 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/13/09 10:31 p.m. |
Tips for arguments. | Mercury | 11/12/09 5:41 p.m. |
Re: Tips for arguments. | elessar787 | 11/13/09 1:29 a.m. |
Re: Tips for arguments. | Mercury | 11/13/09 3:35 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | RC Master | 11/12/09 6:21 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/13/09 1:35 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/13/09 5:56 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/13/09 8:36 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/13/09 10:59 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/14/09 1:03 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/14/09 2:39 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/14/09 4:02 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/14/09 1:47 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | scarab | 11/14/09 2:43 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/14/09 3:58 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/14/09 4:26 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/14/09 5:13 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/14/09 5:38 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Vincent | 11/14/09 5:49 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/14/09 7:14 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/14/09 7:19 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | RC Master | 11/14/09 11:56 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/14/09 12:36 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/13/09 1:28 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/13/09 1:39 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Leviathan | 11/12/09 6:29 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Bry | 11/12/09 1:24 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Captain Spark | 11/12/09 1:25 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/13/09 8:11 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 11/13/09 8:26 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/12/09 9:48 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | scarab | 11/12/09 11:09 a.m. |
"Accessable hardcore games." | Gravemind | 11/12/09 8:29 p.m. |
Re: "Accessable hardcore games." | scarab | 11/13/09 5:16 a.m. |
Re: "Accessable hardcore games." | Gravemind | 11/13/09 12:30 p.m. |
Re: "Accessable hardcore games." | scarab | 11/13/09 2:23 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/12/09 9:46 a.m. |
Pure Win, As Usual *NM* | Narcogen | 11/11/09 12:22 a.m. |
Two things | rhubarb | 11/10/09 7:34 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Gravemind | 11/11/09 2:19 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Gravemind | 11/12/09 12:52 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Ducain | 11/12/09 10:30 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/12/09 11:05 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Mirel | 11/12/09 12:06 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Ducain | 11/12/09 1:21 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | zofinda | 11/12/09 1:27 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | DarkS7G | 11/12/09 1:54 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Mirel | 11/12/09 3:08 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Metalingus627 | 11/12/09 3:25 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/13/09 1:53 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | scarab | 11/13/09 5:56 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 2:26 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/16/09 2:38 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/16/09 2:48 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 12:03 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Leviathan | 11/16/09 3:16 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/16/09 6:11 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 11:55 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Ibeechu | 11/16/09 12:19 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Ibeechu | 11/16/09 12:21 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Dani | 11/16/09 12:27 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 12:35 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Dani | 11/16/09 12:43 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 2:18 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/16/09 3:01 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/16/09 2:16 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 2:24 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/16/09 9:04 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 9:56 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/17/09 5:30 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/17/09 12:45 p.m. |
Framerate and buying habits | Narcogen | 11/18/09 5:51 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | sorahn | 11/17/09 1:59 a.m. |
60 seems unreal anyway. Keep it 45 if you ask me | Mirel | 11/16/09 3:19 a.m. |
Bad idea | Narcogen | 11/16/09 6:08 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | FyreWulff | 11/16/09 6:54 a.m. |
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