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| "Accessable hardcore games." | |
| Posted By: Gravemind <kuukan_no_kage@yahoo.com> | Date: 11/12/09 8:29 p.m. |
In Response To: Re: Tips for Reach (Hawaiian Pig) : "Hardcore" and "casual" players can play the same game : and get completely different things out of it. One is much harder to : design for than the other; but if you design for that one, you can please : both. No one is saying enjoyment from the game can only be attained from : being hardcore , no one in these arguments we always have here ever say : that. ^This. I think that the attitude that if a game is "too hardcore" it can't be accessible to the casuals is wrong. While some games can simply be too difficult or complicated for the average gamer — Mega Man 9's insane difficulty or the insanity of "bullet hell" shooters like Ikaruga — a game can be easily accessible while still having hardcore gamers in mind and without having to "water down" gameplay (by adding skill-mitigating elements or whatnot). I like HP's sports analogy. Many sports are easily accessible yet have a high skill ceiling. For example, you can't get much more accessible than baseball. Practically everyone knows how to play and it's easy to pick up and learn. Yet the high skill ceiling provides for very "high-level" play such as what we see in MLB. An FPS like Halo can be treated in much the same way. Halo is simple and easy to learn. You have regenerating shields overlying your health, two guns, some grenades, a melee attack, and can use vehicles. Nothing inordinately complicated, much like baseball, which makes it very accessible. We can easily make Halo more "hardcore" by reducing skill-mitigating elements without compromising the basic gameplay or turning off the casuals. The existence of difficulty levels and Matchmaking ranks already solves the problem by stratifying players by skill level, much like how leagues in sports stratify players by skill and experience. A player who isn't cut out for playing on Legendary still has the option of playing on Normal or Easy. Likewise, a player who lacks the skill to play at high levels in multiplayer will, ideally, get matched up with players of similar skill due to the ranking system. In both instances, players will be playing at their optimum skill level and gives them a better chance of gaining experience and improving their skills. Of course, casuals who might lack experience and skill might still enjoy playing games against opponents who are too much for them, as could be the case if they end up in Legendary co-op or in a social match where some players might be in the 40s in ranked playlists; I've been in many Halo LANs where people who suck at the game and get slaughtered by higher-skilled players like myself but still manage to enjoy themselves. I've argued with Narc and others about skill-mitigating elements in the Halo series and why I find them unnecessary, and this is why. A game can still be catered mainly to the hardcore gamers yet still be accessible to the casuals due to simple-to-learn-yet-hard-to-master gameplay and sliding difficulty levels (for Campaing) & a ranking system (for MP).
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| Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/9/09 9:26 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Leisandir | 11/9/09 9:33 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/9/09 9:36 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | serpx | 11/9/09 9:38 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | InnerRayg | 11/9/09 9:39 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Devin Olsen | 11/9/09 9:46 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Crab | 11/9/09 9:49 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | SPARTAN 294 | 11/9/09 9:56 p.m. |
| agreein with this post *NM* | Hawaiian Pig | 11/9/09 10:02 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | InnerRayg | 11/10/09 2:05 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 2:12 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/10/09 2:49 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 3:01 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/10/09 3:23 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 1:43 p.m. |
| Completely agree | Metalingus627 | 11/10/09 2:18 p.m. |
| Re: Completely agree | Narcogen | 11/10/09 11:55 p.m. |
| Re: Completely agree | Metalingus627 | 11/11/09 3:52 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/10/09 3:00 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 5:25 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/10/09 11:53 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/11/09 2:20 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/11/09 5:17 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/11/09 2:32 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | chris101b | 11/11/09 12:43 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/12/09 6:01 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | chris101b | 11/13/09 1:27 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | InnerRayg | 11/10/09 6:53 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Hunt3r | 11/9/09 9:55 p.m. |
| agreein with this post *NM* | Hawaiian Pig | 11/9/09 9:59 p.m. |
| and a P.S. : | Hunt3r | 11/9/09 10:02 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Ragashingo | 11/9/09 10:53 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Leisandir | 11/11/09 3:05 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/9/09 9:55 p.m. |
| agreein with this post *NM* | Hawaiian Pig | 11/9/09 10:00 p.m. |
| Would be better if it was actual AI doing that | RC Master | 11/10/09 8:08 p.m. |
| Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that | Hedgemony | 11/10/09 8:16 p.m. |
| Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that | RC Master | 11/10/09 8:22 p.m. |
| Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that | Hedgemony | 11/10/09 8:33 p.m. |
| Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that | RC Master | 11/10/09 8:48 p.m. |
| Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that | Vincent | 11/11/09 2:47 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | kanbo | 11/9/09 10:04 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | dizzy | 11/9/09 10:18 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Bernard Strauss | 11/9/09 10:41 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v. | Hedgemony | 11/9/09 11:53 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v. | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 2:08 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v. | SonofMacPhisto | 11/10/09 9:24 a.m. |
| What have you started? | scarab | 11/10/09 9:34 a.m. |
| Re: What have you started? | Louis Wu | 11/10/09 9:38 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Captain Spark | 11/9/09 10:29 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Ragashingo | 11/9/09 10:59 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Captain Spark | 11/9/09 11:03 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/9/09 11:14 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Hawaiian Pig | 11/10/09 2:47 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Rosco-128 | 11/9/09 10:38 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/9/09 11:19 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Rosco-128 | 11/9/09 11:56 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/10/09 12:29 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Bry | 11/10/09 8:47 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | scarab | 11/10/09 9:48 a.m. |
| EEK ODST *SP* ^^^^ *NM* | scarab | 11/10/09 9:50 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Metalingus627 | 11/10/09 2:24 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | The BS Police | 11/9/09 10:40 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cortana 5 | 11/9/09 10:42 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | The BS Police | 11/9/09 10:49 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cortana 5 | 11/9/09 10:56 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Hawaiian Pig | 11/9/09 11:00 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Hunt3r | 11/9/09 11:20 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/9/09 11:24 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Hedgemony | 11/9/09 11:04 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | ArteenEsben | 11/9/09 10:47 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/9/09 11:29 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | ArteenEsben | 11/10/09 10:38 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | RC Master | 11/10/09 8:46 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Ragashingo | 11/9/09 10:48 p.m. |
| My Tip for Reach | ZaneZavin | 11/9/09 11:21 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | bluerunner | 11/10/09 9:45 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 11/10/09 10:50 a.m. |
| Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon/H1 | Avateur | 11/9/09 11:03 p.m. |
| speaking of reach... | crzymnky069 | 11/9/09 11:07 p.m. |
| Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon | Narcogen | 11/10/09 12:12 a.m. |
| Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon | Avateur | 11/10/09 12:40 a.m. |
| Reachathon? | Narcogen | 11/10/09 3:11 a.m. |
| Re: Reachathon? | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 12:41 p.m. |
| Re: Reachathon? | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/10/09 1:37 p.m. |
| Re: Reachathon? | Hedgemony | 11/10/09 2:19 p.m. |
| Re: Reachathon? | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 3:26 p.m. |
| Re: Reachathon? | Narcogen | 11/11/09 12:08 a.m. |
| Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 2:06 a.m. |
| Heresy! | Narcogen | 11/10/09 3:30 a.m. |
| Re: Heresy! | Avateur | 11/10/09 3:37 a.m. |
| Re: Heresy! | Narcogen | 11/10/09 4:08 a.m. |
| Re: Heresy! | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 12:26 p.m. |
| 5 minutes to learn, a lifetime to master | RC Master | 11/10/09 9:16 p.m. |
| Re: Heresy! | Narcogen | 11/11/09 12:12 a.m. |
| Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon | Bry | 11/10/09 7:18 a.m. |
| Adjustable Auto Aim | ManKitten | 11/9/09 11:31 p.m. |
| Re: Adjustable Auto Aim | crzymnky069 | 11/9/09 11:49 p.m. |
| Re: Adjustable Auto Aim | urk | 11/10/09 10:32 a.m. |
| Re: Adjustable Auto Aim | ManKitten | 11/10/09 1:17 p.m. |
| Re: Adjustable Auto Aim | Gravemind | 11/11/09 1:00 p.m. |
| Re: Adjustable Auto Aim | RC Master | 11/10/09 9:21 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | reprobate | 11/10/09 12:26 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/10/09 12:35 a.m. |
| First Person View! | Cody Moore | 11/10/09 1:14 a.m. |
| Re: First Person View! | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 2:23 a.m. |
| Third Person View! | Narcogen | 11/10/09 3:37 a.m. |
| Re: Third Person View! | bluerunner | 11/10/09 9:27 a.m. |
| Re: Third Person View! Longish rant... | Hedgemony | 11/10/09 2:05 p.m. |
| Re: Third Person View! Longish rant... | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 2:59 p.m. |
| Re: Third Person View! Longish rant... | Hedgemony | 11/10/09 4:35 p.m. |
| Re: Third Person View! Longish rant... | General Vagueness | 11/10/09 4:06 p.m. |
| Re: Third Person View! | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 2:28 p.m. |
| Re: First Person View! | ArteenEsben | 11/10/09 10:51 a.m. |
| Re: First Person View! | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 11/10/09 10:58 a.m. |
| Re: First Person View! | ArteenEsben | 11/10/09 11:20 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 2:08 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Bungiez | 11/10/09 1:09 a.m. |
| i wanna say this is kp *NM* | Hawaiian Pig | 11/10/09 2:39 a.m. |
| Re: i wanna say this is kp | Louis Wu | 11/10/09 8:30 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Someone | 11/10/09 2:10 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | scarab | 11/10/09 5:17 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Bernard Strauss | 11/10/09 4:12 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | scarab | 11/10/09 5:04 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | DrDoctor | 11/10/09 2:14 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Bry | 11/10/09 5:35 a.m. |
| Wort wort wort | Cody Moore | 11/10/09 6:05 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | hyokin | 11/10/09 10:25 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | Louis Wu | 11/10/09 10:44 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | c0ld vengeance | 11/10/09 12:36 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | Arkesane | 11/10/09 12:47 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | padraig08 | 11/10/09 1:02 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | Avateur | 11/10/09 12:47 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | c0ld vengeance | 11/10/09 12:52 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | bluerunner | 11/10/09 1:01 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | Louis Wu | 11/10/09 1:53 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | FyreWulff | 11/10/09 5:12 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 2:02 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | urk | 11/10/09 10:43 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/10/09 10:45 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 11/10/09 10:54 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 12:44 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/11/09 12:20 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Hawaiian Pig | 11/10/09 3:30 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/10/09 10:48 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/10/09 11:23 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | padraig08 | 11/10/09 1:20 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | RC Master | 11/11/09 8:34 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/11/09 8:44 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | RC Master | 11/11/09 9:58 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | RC Master | 11/11/09 9:59 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/11/09 10:20 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/11/09 12:47 p.m. |
| •No barriers or kill zones anywhere in the game. | c0ld vengeance | 11/10/09 12:03 p.m. |
| Wow, beat me to it. | profhalo | 11/10/09 1:13 p.m. |
| Re: Wow, beat me to it. | Cody Moore | 11/10/09 4:59 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/10/09 1:26 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Matt | 11/10/09 3:44 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 3:50 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | SonofMacPhisto | 11/10/09 4:26 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/10/09 4:39 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | nash--housewares | 11/10/09 4:50 p.m. |
| At-least-semi-valid jackassery. *NM* | Eiii | 11/10/09 7:11 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | ManKitten | 11/10/09 8:37 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/11/09 12:24 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Matt | 11/11/09 12:04 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/11/09 12:36 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/11/09 1:21 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Ducain | 11/11/09 1:28 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | ManKitten | 11/11/09 1:29 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/11/09 10:37 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Hedgemony | 11/11/09 10:53 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Matt | 11/11/09 2:11 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/11/09 3:12 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/11/09 3:46 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Hunt3r | 11/11/09 3:53 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/11/09 10:43 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Hawaiian Pig | 11/12/09 3:16 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Bry | 11/12/09 3:39 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/12/09 4:55 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/12/09 12:38 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/12/09 12:45 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/12/09 12:54 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/12/09 1:05 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/12/09 1:22 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/13/09 1:20 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/13/09 2:54 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/13/09 4:16 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/13/09 2:53 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Mercury | 11/13/09 4:03 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/13/09 11:21 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/14/09 12:57 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/12/09 2:24 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Hedgemony | 11/12/09 4:47 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Hunt3r | 11/12/09 5:06 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/13/09 1:16 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/13/09 1:31 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/13/09 1:41 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Mercury | 11/13/09 3:49 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/13/09 10:31 p.m. |
| Tips for arguments. | Mercury | 11/12/09 5:41 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for arguments. | elessar787 | 11/13/09 1:29 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for arguments. | Mercury | 11/13/09 3:35 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | RC Master | 11/12/09 6:21 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/13/09 1:35 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/13/09 5:56 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/13/09 8:36 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/13/09 10:59 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/14/09 1:03 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/14/09 2:39 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/14/09 4:02 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/14/09 1:47 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | scarab | 11/14/09 2:43 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/14/09 3:58 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/14/09 4:26 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/14/09 5:13 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/14/09 5:38 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Vincent | 11/14/09 5:49 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/14/09 7:14 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/14/09 7:19 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | RC Master | 11/14/09 11:56 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/14/09 12:36 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/13/09 1:28 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/13/09 1:39 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Leviathan | 11/12/09 6:29 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Bry | 11/12/09 1:24 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Captain Spark | 11/12/09 1:25 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/13/09 8:11 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 11/13/09 8:26 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/12/09 9:48 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | scarab | 11/12/09 11:09 a.m. |
| "Accessable hardcore games." | Gravemind | 11/12/09 8:29 p.m. |
| Re: "Accessable hardcore games." | scarab | 11/13/09 5:16 a.m. |
| Re: "Accessable hardcore games." | Gravemind | 11/13/09 12:30 p.m. |
| Re: "Accessable hardcore games." | scarab | 11/13/09 2:23 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/12/09 9:46 a.m. |
| Pure Win, As Usual *NM* | Narcogen | 11/11/09 12:22 a.m. |
| Two things | rhubarb | 11/10/09 7:34 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Gravemind | 11/11/09 2:19 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Gravemind | 11/12/09 12:52 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Ducain | 11/12/09 10:30 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/12/09 11:05 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Mirel | 11/12/09 12:06 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Ducain | 11/12/09 1:21 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | zofinda | 11/12/09 1:27 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | DarkS7G | 11/12/09 1:54 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Mirel | 11/12/09 3:08 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Metalingus627 | 11/12/09 3:25 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/13/09 1:53 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | scarab | 11/13/09 5:56 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 2:26 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/16/09 2:38 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/16/09 2:48 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 12:03 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Leviathan | 11/16/09 3:16 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/16/09 6:11 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 11:55 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Ibeechu | 11/16/09 12:19 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Ibeechu | 11/16/09 12:21 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Dani | 11/16/09 12:27 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 12:35 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Dani | 11/16/09 12:43 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 2:18 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/16/09 3:01 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/16/09 2:16 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 2:24 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/16/09 9:04 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 9:56 p.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/17/09 5:30 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/17/09 12:45 p.m. |
| Framerate and buying habits | Narcogen | 11/18/09 5:51 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | sorahn | 11/17/09 1:59 a.m. |
| 60 seems unreal anyway. Keep it 45 if you ask me | Mirel | 11/16/09 3:19 a.m. |
| Bad idea | Narcogen | 11/16/09 6:08 a.m. |
| Re: Tips for Reach | FyreWulff | 11/16/09 6:54 a.m. |
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