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Re: Tips for Reach
Posted By: Narcogen <narcogen@rampancy.net>Date: 11/14/09 4:02 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Tips for Reach (Cody Miller)


: No, this will lead to a game where the casual players don't care about the
: top level tweaks because it doesn't apply to them, and the hardcore
: players will get what they want. You please BOTH groups instead of just
: one, being more inclusive and selling more copies than had you ignored the
: hardcore.

The only evidence that "top-level tweaks" don't affect everyone is your statement that it won't. Which tweaks are we talking about?

Wu already asked for this in the thread and I haven't seen one.

Reduce BR spread? Affects everybody. Switch AR start to BR start? Affects everybody. Remove the melee lunge? Affects everybody.

When I said that, at least with regard to campaign, the best way to raise the skill ceiling was the add a new difficulty settings, I was contradicted, and told the best way to do it would be to modify the game's core mechanics.

How do you modify the core mechanics without affecting all players? What it comes down to is not that it won't affect them-- it's that you don't care how it affects them, and would therefore like to deemphasize any such effects.

: Which game pleases more people?

Of the two options? The game as-is, because I don't believe the hardcore version will please casuals, and I think the burden of proof should be on those suggesting it would. I don't even like MLG or SWAT playlists and I don't think I'm alone there-- how would more sweeping changes fare? Why would they fare any better? Why wouldn't they fare worse?

: Casual game that appeals to casuals but not the hardcore OR a game that
: appeals to casuals and the hardcore players.

Wishing it doesn't make it so.

Anger, Sadness & Envy Episode 11: Halo



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Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/9/09 9:26 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachLeisandir 11/9/09 9:33 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 9:36 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachserpx 11/9/09 9:38 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachInnerRayg 11/9/09 9:39 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachDevin Olsen 11/9/09 9:46 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachCrab 11/9/09 9:49 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachSPARTAN 294 11/9/09 9:56 p.m.
                 agreein with this post *NM*Hawaiian Pig 11/9/09 10:02 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachInnerRayg 11/10/09 2:05 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/10/09 2:12 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/10/09 2:49 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/10/09 3:01 a.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/10/09 3:23 a.m.
                                         Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/10/09 1:43 p.m.
                                               Completely agreeMetalingus627 11/10/09 2:18 p.m.
                                                     Re: Completely agreeNarcogen 11/10/09 11:55 p.m.
                                                           Re: Completely agreeMetalingus627 11/11/09 3:52 a.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/10/09 3:00 p.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/10/09 5:25 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/10/09 11:53 p.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/11/09 2:20 a.m.
                                                           Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 5:17 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/11/09 2:32 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for Reachchris101b 11/11/09 12:43 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/12/09 6:01 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for Reachchris101b 11/13/09 1:27 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachInnerRayg 11/10/09 6:53 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachHunt3r 11/9/09 9:55 p.m.
           agreein with this post *NM*Hawaiian Pig 11/9/09 9:59 p.m.
           and a P.S. :Hunt3r 11/9/09 10:02 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachRagashingo 11/9/09 10:53 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachLeisandir 11/11/09 3:05 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/9/09 9:55 p.m.
           agreein with this post *NM*Hawaiian Pig 11/9/09 10:00 p.m.
           Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatRC Master 11/10/09 8:08 p.m.
                 Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatHedgemony 11/10/09 8:16 p.m.
                       Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatRC Master 11/10/09 8:22 p.m.
                             Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatHedgemony 11/10/09 8:33 p.m.
                                   Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatRC Master 11/10/09 8:48 p.m.
                                         Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatVincent 11/11/09 2:47 a.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachkanbo 11/9/09 10:04 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachdizzy 11/9/09 10:18 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachBernard Strauss 11/9/09 10:41 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v.Hedgemony 11/9/09 11:53 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v.Cody Miller 11/10/09 2:08 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v.SonofMacPhisto 11/10/09 9:24 a.m.
                                   What have you started?scarab 11/10/09 9:34 a.m.
                                         Re: What have you started?Louis Wu 11/10/09 9:38 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachCaptain Spark 11/9/09 10:29 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachRagashingo 11/9/09 10:59 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachCaptain Spark 11/9/09 11:03 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 11:14 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachHawaiian Pig 11/10/09 2:47 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachRosco-128 11/9/09 10:38 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 11:19 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachRosco-128 11/9/09 11:56 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/10/09 12:29 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachBry 11/10/09 8:47 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/10/09 9:48 a.m.
                             EEK ODST *SP* ^^^^ *NM*scarab 11/10/09 9:50 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachMetalingus627 11/10/09 2:24 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachThe BS Police 11/9/09 10:40 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachCortana 5 11/9/09 10:42 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachThe BS Police 11/9/09 10:49 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachCortana 5 11/9/09 10:56 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachHawaiian Pig 11/9/09 11:00 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachHunt3r 11/9/09 11:20 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 11:24 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachHedgemony 11/9/09 11:04 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachArteenEsben 11/9/09 10:47 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 11:29 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachArteenEsben 11/10/09 10:38 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/10/09 8:46 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachRagashingo 11/9/09 10:48 p.m.
           My Tip for ReachZaneZavin 11/9/09 11:21 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachbluerunner 11/10/09 9:45 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/10/09 10:50 a.m.
     Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon/H1Avateur 11/9/09 11:03 p.m.
           speaking of reach...crzymnky069 11/9/09 11:07 p.m.
           Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like MarathonNarcogen 11/10/09 12:12 a.m.
                 Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like MarathonAvateur 11/10/09 12:40 a.m.
                       Reachathon?Narcogen 11/10/09 3:11 a.m.
                             Re: Reachathon?Cody Miller 11/10/09 12:41 p.m.
                                   Re: Reachathon?Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/10/09 1:37 p.m.
                                         Re: Reachathon?Hedgemony 11/10/09 2:19 p.m.
                                         Re: Reachathon?Cody Miller 11/10/09 3:26 p.m.
                                   Re: Reachathon?Narcogen 11/11/09 12:08 a.m.
                 Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like MarathonCody Miller 11/10/09 2:06 a.m.
                       Heresy!Narcogen 11/10/09 3:30 a.m.
                             Re: Heresy!Avateur 11/10/09 3:37 a.m.
                                   Re: Heresy!Narcogen 11/10/09 4:08 a.m.
                             Re: Heresy!Cody Miller 11/10/09 12:26 p.m.
                                   5 minutes to learn, a lifetime to masterRC Master 11/10/09 9:16 p.m.
                                   Re: Heresy!Narcogen 11/11/09 12:12 a.m.
                       Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like MarathonBry 11/10/09 7:18 a.m.
     Adjustable Auto AimManKitten 11/9/09 11:31 p.m.
           Re: Adjustable Auto Aimcrzymnky069 11/9/09 11:49 p.m.
           Re: Adjustable Auto Aimurk 11/10/09 10:32 a.m.
                 Re: Adjustable Auto AimManKitten 11/10/09 1:17 p.m.
                 Re: Adjustable Auto AimGravemind 11/11/09 1:00 p.m.
           Re: Adjustable Auto AimRC Master 11/10/09 9:21 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachreprobate 11/10/09 12:26 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/10/09 12:35 a.m.
           First Person View!Cody Moore 11/10/09 1:14 a.m.
                 Re: First Person View!psychophan7 11/10/09 2:23 a.m.
                 Third Person View!Narcogen 11/10/09 3:37 a.m.
                       Re: Third Person View!bluerunner 11/10/09 9:27 a.m.
                       Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...Hedgemony 11/10/09 2:05 p.m.
                             Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...Cody Miller 11/10/09 2:59 p.m.
                                   Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...Hedgemony 11/10/09 4:35 p.m.
                             Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...General Vagueness 11/10/09 4:06 p.m.
                       Re: Third Person View!psychophan7 11/10/09 2:28 p.m.
                 Re: First Person View!ArteenEsben 11/10/09 10:51 a.m.
                       Re: First Person View!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/10/09 10:58 a.m.
                             Re: First Person View!ArteenEsben 11/10/09 11:20 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/10/09 2:08 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachBungiez 11/10/09 1:09 a.m.
           i wanna say this is kp *NM*Hawaiian Pig 11/10/09 2:39 a.m.
                 Re: i wanna say this is kpLouis Wu 11/10/09 8:30 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachSomeone 11/10/09 2:10 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/10/09 5:17 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachBernard Strauss 11/10/09 4:12 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/10/09 5:04 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachDrDoctor 11/10/09 2:14 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachBry 11/10/09 5:35 a.m.
           Wort wort wortCody Moore 11/10/09 6:05 a.m.
     Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Ranthyokin 11/10/09 10:25 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantLouis Wu 11/10/09 10:44 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantc0ld vengeance 11/10/09 12:36 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantArkesane 11/10/09 12:47 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantpadraig08 11/10/09 1:02 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantAvateur 11/10/09 12:47 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantc0ld vengeance 11/10/09 12:52 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantbluerunner 11/10/09 1:01 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantLouis Wu 11/10/09 1:53 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantFyreWulff 11/10/09 5:12 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantpsychophan7 11/10/09 2:02 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachurk 11/10/09 10:43 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/10/09 10:45 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/10/09 10:54 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/10/09 12:44 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 12:20 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachHawaiian Pig 11/10/09 3:30 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/10/09 10:48 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/10/09 11:23 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachpadraig08 11/10/09 1:20 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/11/09 8:34 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/11/09 8:44 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/11/09 9:58 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/11/09 9:59 a.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/11/09 10:20 a.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/11/09 12:47 p.m.
     •No barriers or kill zones anywhere in the game.c0ld vengeance 11/10/09 12:03 p.m.
           Wow, beat me to it.profhalo 11/10/09 1:13 p.m.
                 Re: Wow, beat me to it.Cody Moore 11/10/09 4:59 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/10/09 1:26 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachMatt 11/10/09 3:44 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/10/09 3:50 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachSonofMacPhisto 11/10/09 4:26 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/10/09 4:39 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachnash--housewares 11/10/09 4:50 p.m.
                             At-least-semi-valid jackassery. *NM*Eiii 11/10/09 7:11 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachManKitten 11/10/09 8:37 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 12:24 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachMatt 11/11/09 12:04 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/11/09 12:36 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/11/09 1:21 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachDucain 11/11/09 1:28 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachManKitten 11/11/09 1:29 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 10:37 p.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachHedgemony 11/11/09 10:53 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachMatt 11/11/09 2:11 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/11/09 3:12 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/11/09 3:46 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachHunt3r 11/11/09 3:53 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 10:43 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachHawaiian Pig 11/12/09 3:16 a.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachBry 11/12/09 3:39 a.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/12/09 4:55 a.m.
                                                           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/12/09 12:38 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/12/09 12:45 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/12/09 12:54 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/12/09 1:05 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/12/09 1:22 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 1:20 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/13/09 2:54 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 4:16 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/13/09 2:53 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachMercury 11/13/09 4:03 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/13/09 11:21 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/14/09 12:57 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/12/09 2:24 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachHedgemony 11/12/09 4:47 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachHunt3r 11/12/09 5:06 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 1:16 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 1:31 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 1:41 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachMercury 11/13/09 3:49 p.m.
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                                                                                         Tips for arguments.Mercury 11/12/09 5:41 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for arguments.elessar787 11/13/09 1:29 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for arguments.Mercury 11/13/09 3:35 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/12/09 6:21 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 1:35 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/13/09 5:56 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 8:36 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/13/09 10:59 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/14/09 1:03 a.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/14/09 2:39 a.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/14/09 4:02 a.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/14/09 1:47 p.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/14/09 2:43 p.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/14/09 3:58 p.m.
                                                                                                                                               Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/14/09 4:26 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/14/09 5:13 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/14/09 5:38 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachVincent 11/14/09 5:49 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/14/09 7:14 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/14/09 7:19 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/14/09 11:56 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/14/09 12:36 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 1:28 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 1:39 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Tips for ReachLeviathan 11/12/09 6:29 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Tips for ReachBry 11/12/09 1:24 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachCaptain Spark 11/12/09 1:25 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/13/09 8:11 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/13/09 8:26 a.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/12/09 9:48 a.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/12/09 11:09 a.m.
                                                     "Accessable hardcore games."Gravemind 11/12/09 8:29 p.m.
                                                           Re: "Accessable hardcore games."scarab 11/13/09 5:16 a.m.
                                                                 Re: "Accessable hardcore games."Gravemind 11/13/09 12:30 p.m.
                                                                       Re: "Accessable hardcore games."scarab 11/13/09 2:23 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/12/09 9:46 a.m.
           Pure Win, As Usual *NM*Narcogen 11/11/09 12:22 a.m.
     Two thingsrhubarb 11/10/09 7:34 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachGravemind 11/11/09 2:19 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachGravemind 11/12/09 12:52 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachDucain 11/12/09 10:30 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/12/09 11:05 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachMirel 11/12/09 12:06 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachDucain 11/12/09 1:21 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachzofinda 11/12/09 1:27 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachDarkS7G 11/12/09 1:54 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachMirel 11/12/09 3:08 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachMetalingus627 11/12/09 3:25 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 1:53 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/13/09 5:56 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 2:26 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/16/09 2:38 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/16/09 2:48 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 12:03 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachLeviathan 11/16/09 3:16 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/16/09 6:11 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 11:55 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachIbeechu 11/16/09 12:19 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachIbeechu 11/16/09 12:21 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachDani 11/16/09 12:27 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 12:35 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachDani 11/16/09 12:43 p.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 2:18 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/16/09 3:01 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/16/09 2:16 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 2:24 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/16/09 9:04 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 9:56 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/17/09 5:30 a.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/17/09 12:45 p.m.
                                               Framerate and buying habitsNarcogen 11/18/09 5:51 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachsorahn 11/17/09 1:59 a.m.
           60 seems unreal anyway. Keep it 45 if you ask meMirel 11/16/09 3:19 a.m.
                 Bad ideaNarcogen 11/16/09 6:08 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachFyreWulff 11/16/09 6:54 a.m.



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