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Re: Tips for Reach
Posted By: Narcogen <narcogen@rampancy.net>Date: 11/13/09 1:28 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Tips for Reach (elessar787)


: Feel free to not get offended by this and not take this the wrong way, but
: I'm gonna say that people like HP, Cody and me get more out of playing
: video games than you or Narcogen. And as a result, out opinions are more
: valuable to the developer simply because we put their work under more
: scrutiny. We take small things much more seriously than you guys and
: really examine the full effects of the changes Bungie makes between games.

We take different things seriously. There are things I notice, consider, think about, write about, and spend a lot of time examining that you don't have any interest in. That is OK. That is a testament to how wide Halo's appeal is, that people can like it for such widely varying reasons.

The difference here seems to be that you think your observations, about the things that are important to you, should inform the game's design in a certain way and it'll be better for everyone, even if we don't care about any of the same things that you do.

Put flatly, I don't believe that, any more than I think you'd believe me if I said the way to make Halo better would be to have longer cutscenes, an inventory, and a skill tree (for the sake of argument).

: It's like if the NBA changed the shot clock from 24 seconds to 25 seconds. If
: you and I played on the high school JV team, we probably wouldn't think
: much of it. But to a pro caliber player, it would be a big deal. Why?
: Because the pro comprehends exactly what the effects of that extra second
: will be and how it can positively or negatively impact the game. He has
: obviously put more thought into it and gets more out of the game that you
: and I ever could. Now imagine the disagreeing with the decision and me
: going up to him and saying that he's wrong.

I'd just like to say that at this point I am sick to the teeth of pro athletics analogies on HBO, just like I'm sick of car analogies on Slashdot.

None of you are professional gamers as far as I know, and even if you were, I don't think I'd accept the argument.

In any case, I'd suggest your analogy is flawed. Increasing the shot clock is pretty much exactly the opposite of what you guys are advocating, since that doesn't raise the skill ceiling (at least for the offense) but rather lowers it, giving shooters more time. Most of the changes, geared towards increasing difficulty, are more analogous to asking that the shot clock be decreased from 24 seconds to 4 seconds and then promising that basketball is really about speed anyway and we'll enjoy the game more once we suck it up and learn to play that way, because it requires more skill and more engagement and thus more theoretical enjoyment on the nice colorful chart.

I don't want to play that way. I enjoy playing the way I do. Theoretical increased enjoyment, extracted as a function of input of more time-- more work-- is of zero interest to me. I have more games than I have time to play, not to mention being involved in the other ways I liked to be involved, most of which involve the story, the characters, the setting, and other issues. (like this thread itself). This is not to say that gameplay is not important, although we're getting dangerously close to another epic thread on the same topic-- story vs gameplay.

Anger, Sadness & Envy Episode 11: Halo



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Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/9/09 9:26 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachLeisandir 11/9/09 9:33 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 9:36 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachserpx 11/9/09 9:38 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachInnerRayg 11/9/09 9:39 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachDevin Olsen 11/9/09 9:46 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachCrab 11/9/09 9:49 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachSPARTAN 294 11/9/09 9:56 p.m.
                 agreein with this post *NM*Hawaiian Pig 11/9/09 10:02 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachInnerRayg 11/10/09 2:05 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/10/09 2:12 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/10/09 2:49 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/10/09 3:01 a.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/10/09 3:23 a.m.
                                         Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/10/09 1:43 p.m.
                                               Completely agreeMetalingus627 11/10/09 2:18 p.m.
                                                     Re: Completely agreeNarcogen 11/10/09 11:55 p.m.
                                                           Re: Completely agreeMetalingus627 11/11/09 3:52 a.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/10/09 3:00 p.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/10/09 5:25 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/10/09 11:53 p.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/11/09 2:20 a.m.
                                                           Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 5:17 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/11/09 2:32 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for Reachchris101b 11/11/09 12:43 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/12/09 6:01 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for Reachchris101b 11/13/09 1:27 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachInnerRayg 11/10/09 6:53 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachHunt3r 11/9/09 9:55 p.m.
           agreein with this post *NM*Hawaiian Pig 11/9/09 9:59 p.m.
           and a P.S. :Hunt3r 11/9/09 10:02 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachRagashingo 11/9/09 10:53 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachLeisandir 11/11/09 3:05 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/9/09 9:55 p.m.
           agreein with this post *NM*Hawaiian Pig 11/9/09 10:00 p.m.
           Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatRC Master 11/10/09 8:08 p.m.
                 Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatHedgemony 11/10/09 8:16 p.m.
                       Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatRC Master 11/10/09 8:22 p.m.
                             Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatHedgemony 11/10/09 8:33 p.m.
                                   Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatRC Master 11/10/09 8:48 p.m.
                                         Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatVincent 11/11/09 2:47 a.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachkanbo 11/9/09 10:04 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachdizzy 11/9/09 10:18 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachBernard Strauss 11/9/09 10:41 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v.Hedgemony 11/9/09 11:53 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v.Cody Miller 11/10/09 2:08 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v.SonofMacPhisto 11/10/09 9:24 a.m.
                                   What have you started?scarab 11/10/09 9:34 a.m.
                                         Re: What have you started?Louis Wu 11/10/09 9:38 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachCaptain Spark 11/9/09 10:29 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachRagashingo 11/9/09 10:59 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachCaptain Spark 11/9/09 11:03 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 11:14 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachHawaiian Pig 11/10/09 2:47 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachRosco-128 11/9/09 10:38 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 11:19 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachRosco-128 11/9/09 11:56 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/10/09 12:29 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachBry 11/10/09 8:47 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/10/09 9:48 a.m.
                             EEK ODST *SP* ^^^^ *NM*scarab 11/10/09 9:50 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachMetalingus627 11/10/09 2:24 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachThe BS Police 11/9/09 10:40 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachCortana 5 11/9/09 10:42 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachThe BS Police 11/9/09 10:49 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachCortana 5 11/9/09 10:56 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachHawaiian Pig 11/9/09 11:00 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachHunt3r 11/9/09 11:20 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 11:24 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachHedgemony 11/9/09 11:04 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachArteenEsben 11/9/09 10:47 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 11:29 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachArteenEsben 11/10/09 10:38 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/10/09 8:46 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachRagashingo 11/9/09 10:48 p.m.
           My Tip for ReachZaneZavin 11/9/09 11:21 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachbluerunner 11/10/09 9:45 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/10/09 10:50 a.m.
     Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon/H1Avateur 11/9/09 11:03 p.m.
           speaking of reach...crzymnky069 11/9/09 11:07 p.m.
           Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like MarathonNarcogen 11/10/09 12:12 a.m.
                 Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like MarathonAvateur 11/10/09 12:40 a.m.
                       Reachathon?Narcogen 11/10/09 3:11 a.m.
                             Re: Reachathon?Cody Miller 11/10/09 12:41 p.m.
                                   Re: Reachathon?Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/10/09 1:37 p.m.
                                         Re: Reachathon?Hedgemony 11/10/09 2:19 p.m.
                                         Re: Reachathon?Cody Miller 11/10/09 3:26 p.m.
                                   Re: Reachathon?Narcogen 11/11/09 12:08 a.m.
                 Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like MarathonCody Miller 11/10/09 2:06 a.m.
                       Heresy!Narcogen 11/10/09 3:30 a.m.
                             Re: Heresy!Avateur 11/10/09 3:37 a.m.
                                   Re: Heresy!Narcogen 11/10/09 4:08 a.m.
                             Re: Heresy!Cody Miller 11/10/09 12:26 p.m.
                                   5 minutes to learn, a lifetime to masterRC Master 11/10/09 9:16 p.m.
                                   Re: Heresy!Narcogen 11/11/09 12:12 a.m.
                       Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like MarathonBry 11/10/09 7:18 a.m.
     Adjustable Auto AimManKitten 11/9/09 11:31 p.m.
           Re: Adjustable Auto Aimcrzymnky069 11/9/09 11:49 p.m.
           Re: Adjustable Auto Aimurk 11/10/09 10:32 a.m.
                 Re: Adjustable Auto AimManKitten 11/10/09 1:17 p.m.
                 Re: Adjustable Auto AimGravemind 11/11/09 1:00 p.m.
           Re: Adjustable Auto AimRC Master 11/10/09 9:21 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachreprobate 11/10/09 12:26 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/10/09 12:35 a.m.
           First Person View!Cody Moore 11/10/09 1:14 a.m.
                 Re: First Person View!psychophan7 11/10/09 2:23 a.m.
                 Third Person View!Narcogen 11/10/09 3:37 a.m.
                       Re: Third Person View!bluerunner 11/10/09 9:27 a.m.
                       Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...Hedgemony 11/10/09 2:05 p.m.
                             Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...Cody Miller 11/10/09 2:59 p.m.
                                   Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...Hedgemony 11/10/09 4:35 p.m.
                             Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...General Vagueness 11/10/09 4:06 p.m.
                       Re: Third Person View!psychophan7 11/10/09 2:28 p.m.
                 Re: First Person View!ArteenEsben 11/10/09 10:51 a.m.
                       Re: First Person View!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/10/09 10:58 a.m.
                             Re: First Person View!ArteenEsben 11/10/09 11:20 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/10/09 2:08 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachBungiez 11/10/09 1:09 a.m.
           i wanna say this is kp *NM*Hawaiian Pig 11/10/09 2:39 a.m.
                 Re: i wanna say this is kpLouis Wu 11/10/09 8:30 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachSomeone 11/10/09 2:10 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/10/09 5:17 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachBernard Strauss 11/10/09 4:12 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/10/09 5:04 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachDrDoctor 11/10/09 2:14 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachBry 11/10/09 5:35 a.m.
           Wort wort wortCody Moore 11/10/09 6:05 a.m.
     Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Ranthyokin 11/10/09 10:25 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantLouis Wu 11/10/09 10:44 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantc0ld vengeance 11/10/09 12:36 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantArkesane 11/10/09 12:47 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantpadraig08 11/10/09 1:02 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantAvateur 11/10/09 12:47 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantc0ld vengeance 11/10/09 12:52 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantbluerunner 11/10/09 1:01 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantLouis Wu 11/10/09 1:53 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantFyreWulff 11/10/09 5:12 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantpsychophan7 11/10/09 2:02 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachurk 11/10/09 10:43 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/10/09 10:45 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/10/09 10:54 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/10/09 12:44 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 12:20 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachHawaiian Pig 11/10/09 3:30 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/10/09 10:48 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/10/09 11:23 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachpadraig08 11/10/09 1:20 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/11/09 8:34 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/11/09 8:44 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/11/09 9:58 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/11/09 9:59 a.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/11/09 10:20 a.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/11/09 12:47 p.m.
     •No barriers or kill zones anywhere in the game.c0ld vengeance 11/10/09 12:03 p.m.
           Wow, beat me to it.profhalo 11/10/09 1:13 p.m.
                 Re: Wow, beat me to it.Cody Moore 11/10/09 4:59 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/10/09 1:26 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachMatt 11/10/09 3:44 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/10/09 3:50 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachSonofMacPhisto 11/10/09 4:26 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/10/09 4:39 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachnash--housewares 11/10/09 4:50 p.m.
                             At-least-semi-valid jackassery. *NM*Eiii 11/10/09 7:11 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachManKitten 11/10/09 8:37 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 12:24 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachMatt 11/11/09 12:04 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/11/09 12:36 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/11/09 1:21 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachDucain 11/11/09 1:28 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachManKitten 11/11/09 1:29 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 10:37 p.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachHedgemony 11/11/09 10:53 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachMatt 11/11/09 2:11 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/11/09 3:12 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/11/09 3:46 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachHunt3r 11/11/09 3:53 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 10:43 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachHawaiian Pig 11/12/09 3:16 a.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachBry 11/12/09 3:39 a.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/12/09 4:55 a.m.
                                                           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/12/09 12:38 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/12/09 12:45 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/12/09 12:54 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/12/09 1:05 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/12/09 1:22 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 1:20 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/13/09 2:54 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 4:16 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/13/09 2:53 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachMercury 11/13/09 4:03 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/13/09 11:21 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/14/09 12:57 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/12/09 2:24 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachHedgemony 11/12/09 4:47 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachHunt3r 11/12/09 5:06 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 1:16 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 1:31 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 1:41 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachMercury 11/13/09 3:49 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 10:31 p.m.
                                                                                         Tips for arguments.Mercury 11/12/09 5:41 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for arguments.elessar787 11/13/09 1:29 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for arguments.Mercury 11/13/09 3:35 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/12/09 6:21 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 1:35 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/13/09 5:56 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 8:36 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/13/09 10:59 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/14/09 1:03 a.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/14/09 2:39 a.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/14/09 4:02 a.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/14/09 1:47 p.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/14/09 2:43 p.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/14/09 3:58 p.m.
                                                                                                                                               Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/14/09 4:26 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/14/09 5:13 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/14/09 5:38 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachVincent 11/14/09 5:49 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/14/09 7:14 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/14/09 7:19 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/14/09 11:56 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/14/09 12:36 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 1:28 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 1:39 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Tips for ReachLeviathan 11/12/09 6:29 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Tips for ReachBry 11/12/09 1:24 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachCaptain Spark 11/12/09 1:25 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/13/09 8:11 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/13/09 8:26 a.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/12/09 9:48 a.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/12/09 11:09 a.m.
                                                     "Accessable hardcore games."Gravemind 11/12/09 8:29 p.m.
                                                           Re: "Accessable hardcore games."scarab 11/13/09 5:16 a.m.
                                                                 Re: "Accessable hardcore games."Gravemind 11/13/09 12:30 p.m.
                                                                       Re: "Accessable hardcore games."scarab 11/13/09 2:23 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/12/09 9:46 a.m.
           Pure Win, As Usual *NM*Narcogen 11/11/09 12:22 a.m.
     Two thingsrhubarb 11/10/09 7:34 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachGravemind 11/11/09 2:19 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachGravemind 11/12/09 12:52 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachDucain 11/12/09 10:30 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/12/09 11:05 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachMirel 11/12/09 12:06 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachDucain 11/12/09 1:21 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachzofinda 11/12/09 1:27 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachDarkS7G 11/12/09 1:54 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachMirel 11/12/09 3:08 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachMetalingus627 11/12/09 3:25 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 1:53 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/13/09 5:56 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 2:26 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/16/09 2:38 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/16/09 2:48 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 12:03 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachLeviathan 11/16/09 3:16 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/16/09 6:11 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 11:55 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachIbeechu 11/16/09 12:19 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachIbeechu 11/16/09 12:21 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachDani 11/16/09 12:27 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 12:35 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachDani 11/16/09 12:43 p.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 2:18 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/16/09 3:01 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/16/09 2:16 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 2:24 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/16/09 9:04 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 9:56 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/17/09 5:30 a.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/17/09 12:45 p.m.
                                               Framerate and buying habitsNarcogen 11/18/09 5:51 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachsorahn 11/17/09 1:59 a.m.
           60 seems unreal anyway. Keep it 45 if you ask meMirel 11/16/09 3:19 a.m.
                 Bad ideaNarcogen 11/16/09 6:08 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachFyreWulff 11/16/09 6:54 a.m.



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