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Re: Tips for Reach
Posted By: Narcogen <narcogen@rampancy.net>Date: 11/13/09 4:16 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Tips for Reach (Cody Miller)


: That is cool, but one day you will free yourself from the delusion that
: videogames are good for showing art and telling stories. I was like you
: once.

No, because they are, they can, and they should be.

: Why NOT watch a film, since you advance through it and see new art
: automatically? Why burden yourself with something you admit you don't like
: (playing a game to overcome challenge)? What you say you like happens
: automatically in mediums that are actually good for telling stories and
: showing art.

I do watch a lot of films. I probably spend more time watching films than playing games. However there is a certain pleasure to be had in inhabiting an environment, inhabiting a story, that is not the same as you get from watching a film.

Let's also be clear: I do not dislike games. I do not dislike challenges. I am not so adrenally-addicted to challenge that I think throwing controllers at the screen is a way to have fun, or that I should play until my thumbs cramp and my blisters crack and bleed, or that I cannot live with the shame of losing a matchmaking game when my teammates quit, or that I have to Be The Best Player Halo I Can Be in order to enjoy myself, justify my purchase, or prove my hardcore fanhood.

It's about as valid telling me to go watch movies instead of videogames as it is for me to tell you to leave Halo alone and go play Counter-Strike or Starcraft.

That is to say, just as valid or just as invalid. You decide which, since we've both said those things :)

: There are plenty of games I 'play' Narcogen because I like their stories:
: Snatcher, Policenauts, Final Fantasy VII and VIII, Lunar/Lunar 2, Day of
: the Tentacle, Sam and Max, The Dig, Full Throttle, Curse of Monkey Island,
: Broken Sword / Broken Sword 2, Beneath a Steel sky, Destiny of an Emperor,
: Shining force, etc.

Curse of Monkey Island I can't vouch for, but I will vouch for the first two. They are not perfect games, and in some ways their central mechanics have not aged well, but they are still good.

: But all of them would be better as films, books, are serial TV dramas when it
: comes to story. None of them are also very good AS GAMES. So I think if
: tourism is what you are after, then you should ditch the interactive, and
: instead sit back and relax as you experience it, instead of having to
: trudge through what you so dislike.

There are some very good games there. Is this boiling down to semantics? Is the hardcore/casual distinction not enough, not we have to have game/interactive media experience or some other bullcrap buzzword nonsense?

Tourism is also interactive. Movies are not. In games I decide (generally speaking) where to go, and when, and why, and what to do when I get there. There's not always the same degree of freedom as "real tourism" but last I checked tours to Delta Halo were not on anybody's itinerary.

I don't want to just see it. I want to be there, I want to be that character. I don't, necessarily, have to be as bad-ass at playing the game as the fictional Master Chief is at doing what he does. That's one of the reasons why I like Half-Life. Gordon Freeman is a physicist, not a soldier. He's an ordinary guy thrust into an extraordinary situation. It's entirely appropriate to just survive by the skin of your teeth; exulting in exemplary exhibitions of skill isn't really the point. It's more like a counterpoint.

Ultimately Halo's design is a compromise. It is not a pure skill-based competitive exercise where everything that happens is deterministic, where the engine itself is designed to extract a number which represents a player's skill and tattoos it on your forehead. Neither is it a purely cinematic experience, bereft of challenge or interactivity.

The requests to raise the skill ceiling, and the contempt for the story elements, seem to me to smack of a request to get my peanut butter off of your chocolate. I'm not asking for your chocolate to get out of my peanut butter. I'm just pointing out that pure chocolate, if that's what you're after, is available in the marketplace. Bungie knows what it looks like. If they wanted to make chocolate, with no peanut butter, I think they'd know how. That they have not, and that they have been by all accounts extremely successful with the hybrid mix they did create, speaks volumes about them that you dismiss with a wave of your hand when you tell me to go watch movies instead, and trust you because your game would be better for everyone.

Anger, Sadness & Envy Episode 11: Halo



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Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/9/09 9:26 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachLeisandir 11/9/09 9:33 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 9:36 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachserpx 11/9/09 9:38 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachInnerRayg 11/9/09 9:39 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachDevin Olsen 11/9/09 9:46 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachCrab 11/9/09 9:49 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachSPARTAN 294 11/9/09 9:56 p.m.
                 agreein with this post *NM*Hawaiian Pig 11/9/09 10:02 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachInnerRayg 11/10/09 2:05 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/10/09 2:12 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/10/09 2:49 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/10/09 3:01 a.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/10/09 3:23 a.m.
                                         Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/10/09 1:43 p.m.
                                               Completely agreeMetalingus627 11/10/09 2:18 p.m.
                                                     Re: Completely agreeNarcogen 11/10/09 11:55 p.m.
                                                           Re: Completely agreeMetalingus627 11/11/09 3:52 a.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/10/09 3:00 p.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/10/09 5:25 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/10/09 11:53 p.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/11/09 2:20 a.m.
                                                           Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 5:17 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/11/09 2:32 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for Reachchris101b 11/11/09 12:43 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/12/09 6:01 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for Reachchris101b 11/13/09 1:27 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachInnerRayg 11/10/09 6:53 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachHunt3r 11/9/09 9:55 p.m.
           agreein with this post *NM*Hawaiian Pig 11/9/09 9:59 p.m.
           and a P.S. :Hunt3r 11/9/09 10:02 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachRagashingo 11/9/09 10:53 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachLeisandir 11/11/09 3:05 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/9/09 9:55 p.m.
           agreein with this post *NM*Hawaiian Pig 11/9/09 10:00 p.m.
           Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatRC Master 11/10/09 8:08 p.m.
                 Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatHedgemony 11/10/09 8:16 p.m.
                       Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatRC Master 11/10/09 8:22 p.m.
                             Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatHedgemony 11/10/09 8:33 p.m.
                                   Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatRC Master 11/10/09 8:48 p.m.
                                         Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatVincent 11/11/09 2:47 a.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachkanbo 11/9/09 10:04 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachdizzy 11/9/09 10:18 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachBernard Strauss 11/9/09 10:41 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v.Hedgemony 11/9/09 11:53 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v.Cody Miller 11/10/09 2:08 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v.SonofMacPhisto 11/10/09 9:24 a.m.
                                   What have you started?scarab 11/10/09 9:34 a.m.
                                         Re: What have you started?Louis Wu 11/10/09 9:38 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachCaptain Spark 11/9/09 10:29 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachRagashingo 11/9/09 10:59 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachCaptain Spark 11/9/09 11:03 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 11:14 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachHawaiian Pig 11/10/09 2:47 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachRosco-128 11/9/09 10:38 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 11:19 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachRosco-128 11/9/09 11:56 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/10/09 12:29 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachBry 11/10/09 8:47 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/10/09 9:48 a.m.
                             EEK ODST *SP* ^^^^ *NM*scarab 11/10/09 9:50 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachMetalingus627 11/10/09 2:24 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachThe BS Police 11/9/09 10:40 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachCortana 5 11/9/09 10:42 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachThe BS Police 11/9/09 10:49 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachCortana 5 11/9/09 10:56 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachHawaiian Pig 11/9/09 11:00 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachHunt3r 11/9/09 11:20 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 11:24 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachHedgemony 11/9/09 11:04 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachArteenEsben 11/9/09 10:47 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 11:29 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachArteenEsben 11/10/09 10:38 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/10/09 8:46 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachRagashingo 11/9/09 10:48 p.m.
           My Tip for ReachZaneZavin 11/9/09 11:21 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachbluerunner 11/10/09 9:45 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/10/09 10:50 a.m.
     Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon/H1Avateur 11/9/09 11:03 p.m.
           speaking of reach...crzymnky069 11/9/09 11:07 p.m.
           Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like MarathonNarcogen 11/10/09 12:12 a.m.
                 Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like MarathonAvateur 11/10/09 12:40 a.m.
                       Reachathon?Narcogen 11/10/09 3:11 a.m.
                             Re: Reachathon?Cody Miller 11/10/09 12:41 p.m.
                                   Re: Reachathon?Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/10/09 1:37 p.m.
                                         Re: Reachathon?Hedgemony 11/10/09 2:19 p.m.
                                         Re: Reachathon?Cody Miller 11/10/09 3:26 p.m.
                                   Re: Reachathon?Narcogen 11/11/09 12:08 a.m.
                 Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like MarathonCody Miller 11/10/09 2:06 a.m.
                       Heresy!Narcogen 11/10/09 3:30 a.m.
                             Re: Heresy!Avateur 11/10/09 3:37 a.m.
                                   Re: Heresy!Narcogen 11/10/09 4:08 a.m.
                             Re: Heresy!Cody Miller 11/10/09 12:26 p.m.
                                   5 minutes to learn, a lifetime to masterRC Master 11/10/09 9:16 p.m.
                                   Re: Heresy!Narcogen 11/11/09 12:12 a.m.
                       Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like MarathonBry 11/10/09 7:18 a.m.
     Adjustable Auto AimManKitten 11/9/09 11:31 p.m.
           Re: Adjustable Auto Aimcrzymnky069 11/9/09 11:49 p.m.
           Re: Adjustable Auto Aimurk 11/10/09 10:32 a.m.
                 Re: Adjustable Auto AimManKitten 11/10/09 1:17 p.m.
                 Re: Adjustable Auto AimGravemind 11/11/09 1:00 p.m.
           Re: Adjustable Auto AimRC Master 11/10/09 9:21 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachreprobate 11/10/09 12:26 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/10/09 12:35 a.m.
           First Person View!Cody Moore 11/10/09 1:14 a.m.
                 Re: First Person View!psychophan7 11/10/09 2:23 a.m.
                 Third Person View!Narcogen 11/10/09 3:37 a.m.
                       Re: Third Person View!bluerunner 11/10/09 9:27 a.m.
                       Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...Hedgemony 11/10/09 2:05 p.m.
                             Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...Cody Miller 11/10/09 2:59 p.m.
                                   Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...Hedgemony 11/10/09 4:35 p.m.
                             Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...General Vagueness 11/10/09 4:06 p.m.
                       Re: Third Person View!psychophan7 11/10/09 2:28 p.m.
                 Re: First Person View!ArteenEsben 11/10/09 10:51 a.m.
                       Re: First Person View!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/10/09 10:58 a.m.
                             Re: First Person View!ArteenEsben 11/10/09 11:20 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/10/09 2:08 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachBungiez 11/10/09 1:09 a.m.
           i wanna say this is kp *NM*Hawaiian Pig 11/10/09 2:39 a.m.
                 Re: i wanna say this is kpLouis Wu 11/10/09 8:30 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachSomeone 11/10/09 2:10 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/10/09 5:17 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachBernard Strauss 11/10/09 4:12 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/10/09 5:04 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachDrDoctor 11/10/09 2:14 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachBry 11/10/09 5:35 a.m.
           Wort wort wortCody Moore 11/10/09 6:05 a.m.
     Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Ranthyokin 11/10/09 10:25 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantLouis Wu 11/10/09 10:44 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantc0ld vengeance 11/10/09 12:36 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantArkesane 11/10/09 12:47 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantpadraig08 11/10/09 1:02 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantAvateur 11/10/09 12:47 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantc0ld vengeance 11/10/09 12:52 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantbluerunner 11/10/09 1:01 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantLouis Wu 11/10/09 1:53 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantFyreWulff 11/10/09 5:12 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantpsychophan7 11/10/09 2:02 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachurk 11/10/09 10:43 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/10/09 10:45 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/10/09 10:54 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/10/09 12:44 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 12:20 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachHawaiian Pig 11/10/09 3:30 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/10/09 10:48 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/10/09 11:23 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachpadraig08 11/10/09 1:20 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/11/09 8:34 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/11/09 8:44 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/11/09 9:58 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/11/09 9:59 a.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/11/09 10:20 a.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/11/09 12:47 p.m.
     •No barriers or kill zones anywhere in the game.c0ld vengeance 11/10/09 12:03 p.m.
           Wow, beat me to it.profhalo 11/10/09 1:13 p.m.
                 Re: Wow, beat me to it.Cody Moore 11/10/09 4:59 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/10/09 1:26 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachMatt 11/10/09 3:44 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/10/09 3:50 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachSonofMacPhisto 11/10/09 4:26 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/10/09 4:39 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachnash--housewares 11/10/09 4:50 p.m.
                             At-least-semi-valid jackassery. *NM*Eiii 11/10/09 7:11 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachManKitten 11/10/09 8:37 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 12:24 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachMatt 11/11/09 12:04 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/11/09 12:36 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/11/09 1:21 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachDucain 11/11/09 1:28 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachManKitten 11/11/09 1:29 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 10:37 p.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachHedgemony 11/11/09 10:53 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachMatt 11/11/09 2:11 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/11/09 3:12 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/11/09 3:46 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachHunt3r 11/11/09 3:53 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 10:43 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachHawaiian Pig 11/12/09 3:16 a.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachBry 11/12/09 3:39 a.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/12/09 4:55 a.m.
                                                           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/12/09 12:38 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/12/09 12:45 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/12/09 12:54 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/12/09 1:05 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/12/09 1:22 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 1:20 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/13/09 2:54 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 4:16 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/13/09 2:53 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachMercury 11/13/09 4:03 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/13/09 11:21 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/14/09 12:57 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/12/09 2:24 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachHedgemony 11/12/09 4:47 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachHunt3r 11/12/09 5:06 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 1:16 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 1:31 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 1:41 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachMercury 11/13/09 3:49 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 10:31 p.m.
                                                                                         Tips for arguments.Mercury 11/12/09 5:41 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for arguments.elessar787 11/13/09 1:29 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for arguments.Mercury 11/13/09 3:35 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/12/09 6:21 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 1:35 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/13/09 5:56 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 8:36 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/13/09 10:59 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/14/09 1:03 a.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/14/09 2:39 a.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/14/09 4:02 a.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/14/09 1:47 p.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/14/09 2:43 p.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/14/09 3:58 p.m.
                                                                                                                                               Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/14/09 4:26 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/14/09 5:13 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/14/09 5:38 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachVincent 11/14/09 5:49 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/14/09 7:14 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/14/09 7:19 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/14/09 11:56 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/14/09 12:36 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 1:28 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 1:39 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Tips for ReachLeviathan 11/12/09 6:29 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Tips for ReachBry 11/12/09 1:24 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachCaptain Spark 11/12/09 1:25 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/13/09 8:11 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/13/09 8:26 a.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/12/09 9:48 a.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/12/09 11:09 a.m.
                                                     "Accessable hardcore games."Gravemind 11/12/09 8:29 p.m.
                                                           Re: "Accessable hardcore games."scarab 11/13/09 5:16 a.m.
                                                                 Re: "Accessable hardcore games."Gravemind 11/13/09 12:30 p.m.
                                                                       Re: "Accessable hardcore games."scarab 11/13/09 2:23 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/12/09 9:46 a.m.
           Pure Win, As Usual *NM*Narcogen 11/11/09 12:22 a.m.
     Two thingsrhubarb 11/10/09 7:34 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachGravemind 11/11/09 2:19 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachGravemind 11/12/09 12:52 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachDucain 11/12/09 10:30 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/12/09 11:05 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachMirel 11/12/09 12:06 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachDucain 11/12/09 1:21 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachzofinda 11/12/09 1:27 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachDarkS7G 11/12/09 1:54 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachMirel 11/12/09 3:08 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachMetalingus627 11/12/09 3:25 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 1:53 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/13/09 5:56 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 2:26 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/16/09 2:38 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/16/09 2:48 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 12:03 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachLeviathan 11/16/09 3:16 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/16/09 6:11 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 11:55 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachIbeechu 11/16/09 12:19 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachIbeechu 11/16/09 12:21 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachDani 11/16/09 12:27 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 12:35 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachDani 11/16/09 12:43 p.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 2:18 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/16/09 3:01 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/16/09 2:16 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 2:24 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/16/09 9:04 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 9:56 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/17/09 5:30 a.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/17/09 12:45 p.m.
                                               Framerate and buying habitsNarcogen 11/18/09 5:51 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachsorahn 11/17/09 1:59 a.m.
           60 seems unreal anyway. Keep it 45 if you ask meMirel 11/16/09 3:19 a.m.
                 Bad ideaNarcogen 11/16/09 6:08 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachFyreWulff 11/16/09 6:54 a.m.



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