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Re: Tips for Reach
Posted By: Narcogen <narcogen@rampancy.net>Date: 11/16/09 9:04 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Tips for Reach (Cody Miller)


: Yes.

: A game that is 60fps is twice as responsive as a game running at 30fps. Back
: in the Genesis and SNES days, every game ran at 60fps. I don't know when
: developers got the idea it was okay to not run at 60fps. It is a better
: experience, ask any PC gamer.

I've played games on PCs before. I don't anymore. I remember it being fun messing with the graphics settings and seeing how high a framerate I could get or how high a resolution I could play at. Usually things ended up settling between 30 and 50fps. (I'm talking Quake 1 on a 3dfx card here.)

There is a huge yawning chasm between "it is a better experience to run at 60fps" and "it is not okay to run at less than 60fps". Not all things that are better are worth having in a zero-sum situation when something else has to give. What the article says-- and what Bungie made the heart of their decision-making process back in Halo 1-- was that if the hardware manufacturers give you more power, you get more bang for your buck by taking extra passes than you do in doubling the framerate.

Maybe at some point GPUs will be so powerful and all games will be photorealistic or nearly so, and this won't be an issue, and then I'd expect console games to run at 60fps or higher.

The point is that 30fps is "good enough" and Insomniac looked at game reviews and game sales and at first glance it appears that "pretty graphics" at 30fps was beating out "ugly and 60fps".

: I don't even know how that statement of it not affecting review score can be
: true, because unless the critics have access to a version of Halo running
: at 30fps, AND a version running at 60 fps to compare, how can you make a
: meaningful comparison?

It is not necessary to compare identical games at the different framerates. While I'd hardly argue that the research they presented was rigorous and scientific, they selected a wide range of games, some running at 30fps and some at 60fps, and found no correlation-- nothing that suggested that, on average, 60fps games rated higher or sold better than 30fps games, as a group.

That's only a serious flaw if you're asserting that for some unrelated reason, a higher percentage of 60fps games looked at were also ugly and therefore unfairly impacting the review scores and sales figures for 60fps games. Although, if you think about it, that merely insinuates that Insomniac's theory is true: that if you compromise in favor of framerate your game will be smoother and more responsive, but less visually appealing, than it would have been at 30fps on the same hardware.

: But then I'd have to watch the game studio logos again, wasting even more of
: my time.

Is there a groove in your floor in front of the TV from you pacing back and forth during the logos?

Anger, Sadness & Envy Episode 11: Halo



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Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/9/09 9:26 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachLeisandir 11/9/09 9:33 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 9:36 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachserpx 11/9/09 9:38 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachInnerRayg 11/9/09 9:39 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachDevin Olsen 11/9/09 9:46 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachCrab 11/9/09 9:49 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachSPARTAN 294 11/9/09 9:56 p.m.
                 agreein with this post *NM*Hawaiian Pig 11/9/09 10:02 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachInnerRayg 11/10/09 2:05 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/10/09 2:12 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/10/09 2:49 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/10/09 3:01 a.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/10/09 3:23 a.m.
                                         Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/10/09 1:43 p.m.
                                               Completely agreeMetalingus627 11/10/09 2:18 p.m.
                                                     Re: Completely agreeNarcogen 11/10/09 11:55 p.m.
                                                           Re: Completely agreeMetalingus627 11/11/09 3:52 a.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/10/09 3:00 p.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/10/09 5:25 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/10/09 11:53 p.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/11/09 2:20 a.m.
                                                           Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 5:17 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/11/09 2:32 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for Reachchris101b 11/11/09 12:43 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/12/09 6:01 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for Reachchris101b 11/13/09 1:27 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachInnerRayg 11/10/09 6:53 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachHunt3r 11/9/09 9:55 p.m.
           agreein with this post *NM*Hawaiian Pig 11/9/09 9:59 p.m.
           and a P.S. :Hunt3r 11/9/09 10:02 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachRagashingo 11/9/09 10:53 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachLeisandir 11/11/09 3:05 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/9/09 9:55 p.m.
           agreein with this post *NM*Hawaiian Pig 11/9/09 10:00 p.m.
           Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatRC Master 11/10/09 8:08 p.m.
                 Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatHedgemony 11/10/09 8:16 p.m.
                       Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatRC Master 11/10/09 8:22 p.m.
                             Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatHedgemony 11/10/09 8:33 p.m.
                                   Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatRC Master 11/10/09 8:48 p.m.
                                         Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatVincent 11/11/09 2:47 a.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachkanbo 11/9/09 10:04 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachdizzy 11/9/09 10:18 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachBernard Strauss 11/9/09 10:41 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v.Hedgemony 11/9/09 11:53 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v.Cody Miller 11/10/09 2:08 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v.SonofMacPhisto 11/10/09 9:24 a.m.
                                   What have you started?scarab 11/10/09 9:34 a.m.
                                         Re: What have you started?Louis Wu 11/10/09 9:38 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachCaptain Spark 11/9/09 10:29 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachRagashingo 11/9/09 10:59 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachCaptain Spark 11/9/09 11:03 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 11:14 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachHawaiian Pig 11/10/09 2:47 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachRosco-128 11/9/09 10:38 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 11:19 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachRosco-128 11/9/09 11:56 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/10/09 12:29 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachBry 11/10/09 8:47 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/10/09 9:48 a.m.
                             EEK ODST *SP* ^^^^ *NM*scarab 11/10/09 9:50 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachMetalingus627 11/10/09 2:24 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachThe BS Police 11/9/09 10:40 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachCortana 5 11/9/09 10:42 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachThe BS Police 11/9/09 10:49 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachCortana 5 11/9/09 10:56 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachHawaiian Pig 11/9/09 11:00 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachHunt3r 11/9/09 11:20 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 11:24 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachHedgemony 11/9/09 11:04 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachArteenEsben 11/9/09 10:47 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 11:29 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachArteenEsben 11/10/09 10:38 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/10/09 8:46 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachRagashingo 11/9/09 10:48 p.m.
           My Tip for ReachZaneZavin 11/9/09 11:21 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachbluerunner 11/10/09 9:45 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/10/09 10:50 a.m.
     Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon/H1Avateur 11/9/09 11:03 p.m.
           speaking of reach...crzymnky069 11/9/09 11:07 p.m.
           Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like MarathonNarcogen 11/10/09 12:12 a.m.
                 Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like MarathonAvateur 11/10/09 12:40 a.m.
                       Reachathon?Narcogen 11/10/09 3:11 a.m.
                             Re: Reachathon?Cody Miller 11/10/09 12:41 p.m.
                                   Re: Reachathon?Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/10/09 1:37 p.m.
                                         Re: Reachathon?Hedgemony 11/10/09 2:19 p.m.
                                         Re: Reachathon?Cody Miller 11/10/09 3:26 p.m.
                                   Re: Reachathon?Narcogen 11/11/09 12:08 a.m.
                 Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like MarathonCody Miller 11/10/09 2:06 a.m.
                       Heresy!Narcogen 11/10/09 3:30 a.m.
                             Re: Heresy!Avateur 11/10/09 3:37 a.m.
                                   Re: Heresy!Narcogen 11/10/09 4:08 a.m.
                             Re: Heresy!Cody Miller 11/10/09 12:26 p.m.
                                   5 minutes to learn, a lifetime to masterRC Master 11/10/09 9:16 p.m.
                                   Re: Heresy!Narcogen 11/11/09 12:12 a.m.
                       Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like MarathonBry 11/10/09 7:18 a.m.
     Adjustable Auto AimManKitten 11/9/09 11:31 p.m.
           Re: Adjustable Auto Aimcrzymnky069 11/9/09 11:49 p.m.
           Re: Adjustable Auto Aimurk 11/10/09 10:32 a.m.
                 Re: Adjustable Auto AimManKitten 11/10/09 1:17 p.m.
                 Re: Adjustable Auto AimGravemind 11/11/09 1:00 p.m.
           Re: Adjustable Auto AimRC Master 11/10/09 9:21 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachreprobate 11/10/09 12:26 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/10/09 12:35 a.m.
           First Person View!Cody Moore 11/10/09 1:14 a.m.
                 Re: First Person View!psychophan7 11/10/09 2:23 a.m.
                 Third Person View!Narcogen 11/10/09 3:37 a.m.
                       Re: Third Person View!bluerunner 11/10/09 9:27 a.m.
                       Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...Hedgemony 11/10/09 2:05 p.m.
                             Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...Cody Miller 11/10/09 2:59 p.m.
                                   Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...Hedgemony 11/10/09 4:35 p.m.
                             Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...General Vagueness 11/10/09 4:06 p.m.
                       Re: Third Person View!psychophan7 11/10/09 2:28 p.m.
                 Re: First Person View!ArteenEsben 11/10/09 10:51 a.m.
                       Re: First Person View!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/10/09 10:58 a.m.
                             Re: First Person View!ArteenEsben 11/10/09 11:20 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/10/09 2:08 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachBungiez 11/10/09 1:09 a.m.
           i wanna say this is kp *NM*Hawaiian Pig 11/10/09 2:39 a.m.
                 Re: i wanna say this is kpLouis Wu 11/10/09 8:30 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachSomeone 11/10/09 2:10 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/10/09 5:17 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachBernard Strauss 11/10/09 4:12 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/10/09 5:04 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachDrDoctor 11/10/09 2:14 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachBry 11/10/09 5:35 a.m.
           Wort wort wortCody Moore 11/10/09 6:05 a.m.
     Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Ranthyokin 11/10/09 10:25 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantLouis Wu 11/10/09 10:44 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantc0ld vengeance 11/10/09 12:36 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantArkesane 11/10/09 12:47 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantpadraig08 11/10/09 1:02 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantAvateur 11/10/09 12:47 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantc0ld vengeance 11/10/09 12:52 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantbluerunner 11/10/09 1:01 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantLouis Wu 11/10/09 1:53 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantFyreWulff 11/10/09 5:12 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantpsychophan7 11/10/09 2:02 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachurk 11/10/09 10:43 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/10/09 10:45 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/10/09 10:54 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/10/09 12:44 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 12:20 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachHawaiian Pig 11/10/09 3:30 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/10/09 10:48 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/10/09 11:23 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachpadraig08 11/10/09 1:20 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/11/09 8:34 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/11/09 8:44 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/11/09 9:58 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/11/09 9:59 a.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/11/09 10:20 a.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/11/09 12:47 p.m.
     •No barriers or kill zones anywhere in the game.c0ld vengeance 11/10/09 12:03 p.m.
           Wow, beat me to it.profhalo 11/10/09 1:13 p.m.
                 Re: Wow, beat me to it.Cody Moore 11/10/09 4:59 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/10/09 1:26 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachMatt 11/10/09 3:44 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/10/09 3:50 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachSonofMacPhisto 11/10/09 4:26 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/10/09 4:39 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachnash--housewares 11/10/09 4:50 p.m.
                             At-least-semi-valid jackassery. *NM*Eiii 11/10/09 7:11 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachManKitten 11/10/09 8:37 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 12:24 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachMatt 11/11/09 12:04 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/11/09 12:36 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/11/09 1:21 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachDucain 11/11/09 1:28 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachManKitten 11/11/09 1:29 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 10:37 p.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachHedgemony 11/11/09 10:53 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachMatt 11/11/09 2:11 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/11/09 3:12 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/11/09 3:46 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachHunt3r 11/11/09 3:53 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 10:43 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachHawaiian Pig 11/12/09 3:16 a.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachBry 11/12/09 3:39 a.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/12/09 4:55 a.m.
                                                           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/12/09 12:38 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/12/09 12:45 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/12/09 12:54 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/12/09 1:05 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/12/09 1:22 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 1:20 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/13/09 2:54 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 4:16 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/13/09 2:53 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachMercury 11/13/09 4:03 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/13/09 11:21 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/14/09 12:57 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/12/09 2:24 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachHedgemony 11/12/09 4:47 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachHunt3r 11/12/09 5:06 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 1:16 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 1:31 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 1:41 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachMercury 11/13/09 3:49 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 10:31 p.m.
                                                                                         Tips for arguments.Mercury 11/12/09 5:41 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for arguments.elessar787 11/13/09 1:29 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for arguments.Mercury 11/13/09 3:35 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/12/09 6:21 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 1:35 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/13/09 5:56 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 8:36 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/13/09 10:59 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/14/09 1:03 a.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/14/09 2:39 a.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/14/09 4:02 a.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/14/09 1:47 p.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/14/09 2:43 p.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/14/09 3:58 p.m.
                                                                                                                                               Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/14/09 4:26 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/14/09 5:13 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/14/09 5:38 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachVincent 11/14/09 5:49 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/14/09 7:14 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/14/09 7:19 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/14/09 11:56 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/14/09 12:36 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 1:28 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 1:39 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Tips for ReachLeviathan 11/12/09 6:29 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Tips for ReachBry 11/12/09 1:24 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachCaptain Spark 11/12/09 1:25 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/13/09 8:11 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/13/09 8:26 a.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/12/09 9:48 a.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/12/09 11:09 a.m.
                                                     "Accessable hardcore games."Gravemind 11/12/09 8:29 p.m.
                                                           Re: "Accessable hardcore games."scarab 11/13/09 5:16 a.m.
                                                                 Re: "Accessable hardcore games."Gravemind 11/13/09 12:30 p.m.
                                                                       Re: "Accessable hardcore games."scarab 11/13/09 2:23 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/12/09 9:46 a.m.
           Pure Win, As Usual *NM*Narcogen 11/11/09 12:22 a.m.
     Two thingsrhubarb 11/10/09 7:34 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachGravemind 11/11/09 2:19 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachGravemind 11/12/09 12:52 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachDucain 11/12/09 10:30 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/12/09 11:05 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachMirel 11/12/09 12:06 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachDucain 11/12/09 1:21 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachzofinda 11/12/09 1:27 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachDarkS7G 11/12/09 1:54 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachMirel 11/12/09 3:08 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachMetalingus627 11/12/09 3:25 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 1:53 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/13/09 5:56 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 2:26 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/16/09 2:38 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/16/09 2:48 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 12:03 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachLeviathan 11/16/09 3:16 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/16/09 6:11 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 11:55 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachIbeechu 11/16/09 12:19 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachIbeechu 11/16/09 12:21 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachDani 11/16/09 12:27 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 12:35 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachDani 11/16/09 12:43 p.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 2:18 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/16/09 3:01 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/16/09 2:16 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 2:24 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/16/09 9:04 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 9:56 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/17/09 5:30 a.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/17/09 12:45 p.m.
                                               Framerate and buying habitsNarcogen 11/18/09 5:51 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachsorahn 11/17/09 1:59 a.m.
           60 seems unreal anyway. Keep it 45 if you ask meMirel 11/16/09 3:19 a.m.
                 Bad ideaNarcogen 11/16/09 6:08 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachFyreWulff 11/16/09 6:54 a.m.



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