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Re: Tips for Reach | |
Posted By: Hawaiian Pig | Date: 11/12/09 3:16 a.m. |
In Response To: Re: Tips for Reach (Narcogen) : You realize how that sounds? : It sounds like you are saying: 1) Any casual player really wants to be
: Doesn't that sound sort of obnoxious? What part of "high skill ceiling" is hard to grasp? Why do so many people here fight this concept so vehemently. It's in practically every. single. competitive. game. Hockey: easy to pick up and play with your buddies on the street, but try getting into the NHL... Football, Basketball, Baseball, etc. Starcraft, Counter-Strike, Quake 3, etc. Chess, Go, etc. "Hardcore" and "casual" players can play the same game and get completely different things out of it. One is much harder to design for than the other; but if you design for that one, you can please both. No one is saying enjoyment from the game can only be attained from being hardcore, no one in these arguments we always have here ever say that. Let's take a look at what elessar said : IMO, the difference between hardcore and casual lies in the amount of effort
This falls in line with the "high skill ceiling" concept. : If I wind up below this threshold, I'll try
This is a personal statement to his approach to playing games. It could just as easily be "If I wind up below this threshold, oh well, I like blowing stuff up and the engaging story." Freakin' kudos to him if that were the case. Could you seriously get this chip off of your shoulder about "those damned hardcore guys trying to wave their dick around and tell everyone they're better than everyone else." You're making that assumption, we're not trying to express that; the response to elessar's post here is so very telling of that.
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Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/9/09 9:26 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Leisandir | 11/9/09 9:33 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/9/09 9:36 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | serpx | 11/9/09 9:38 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | InnerRayg | 11/9/09 9:39 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Devin Olsen | 11/9/09 9:46 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Crab | 11/9/09 9:49 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | SPARTAN 294 | 11/9/09 9:56 p.m. |
agreein with this post *NM* | Hawaiian Pig | 11/9/09 10:02 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | InnerRayg | 11/10/09 2:05 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 2:12 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/10/09 2:49 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 3:01 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/10/09 3:23 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 1:43 p.m. |
Completely agree | Metalingus627 | 11/10/09 2:18 p.m. |
Re: Completely agree | Narcogen | 11/10/09 11:55 p.m. |
Re: Completely agree | Metalingus627 | 11/11/09 3:52 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/10/09 3:00 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 5:25 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/10/09 11:53 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/11/09 2:20 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/11/09 5:17 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/11/09 2:32 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | chris101b | 11/11/09 12:43 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/12/09 6:01 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | chris101b | 11/13/09 1:27 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | InnerRayg | 11/10/09 6:53 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Hunt3r | 11/9/09 9:55 p.m. |
agreein with this post *NM* | Hawaiian Pig | 11/9/09 9:59 p.m. |
and a P.S. : | Hunt3r | 11/9/09 10:02 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Ragashingo | 11/9/09 10:53 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Leisandir | 11/11/09 3:05 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/9/09 9:55 p.m. |
agreein with this post *NM* | Hawaiian Pig | 11/9/09 10:00 p.m. |
Would be better if it was actual AI doing that | RC Master | 11/10/09 8:08 p.m. |
Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that | Hedgemony | 11/10/09 8:16 p.m. |
Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that | RC Master | 11/10/09 8:22 p.m. |
Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that | Hedgemony | 11/10/09 8:33 p.m. |
Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that | RC Master | 11/10/09 8:48 p.m. |
Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that | Vincent | 11/11/09 2:47 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | kanbo | 11/9/09 10:04 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | dizzy | 11/9/09 10:18 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Bernard Strauss | 11/9/09 10:41 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v. | Hedgemony | 11/9/09 11:53 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v. | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 2:08 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v. | SonofMacPhisto | 11/10/09 9:24 a.m. |
What have you started? | scarab | 11/10/09 9:34 a.m. |
Re: What have you started? | Louis Wu | 11/10/09 9:38 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Captain Spark | 11/9/09 10:29 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Ragashingo | 11/9/09 10:59 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Captain Spark | 11/9/09 11:03 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/9/09 11:14 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Hawaiian Pig | 11/10/09 2:47 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Rosco-128 | 11/9/09 10:38 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/9/09 11:19 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Rosco-128 | 11/9/09 11:56 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/10/09 12:29 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Bry | 11/10/09 8:47 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | scarab | 11/10/09 9:48 a.m. |
EEK ODST *SP* ^^^^ *NM* | scarab | 11/10/09 9:50 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Metalingus627 | 11/10/09 2:24 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | The BS Police | 11/9/09 10:40 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cortana 5 | 11/9/09 10:42 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | The BS Police | 11/9/09 10:49 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cortana 5 | 11/9/09 10:56 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Hawaiian Pig | 11/9/09 11:00 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Hunt3r | 11/9/09 11:20 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/9/09 11:24 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Hedgemony | 11/9/09 11:04 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | ArteenEsben | 11/9/09 10:47 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/9/09 11:29 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | ArteenEsben | 11/10/09 10:38 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | RC Master | 11/10/09 8:46 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Ragashingo | 11/9/09 10:48 p.m. |
My Tip for Reach | ZaneZavin | 11/9/09 11:21 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | bluerunner | 11/10/09 9:45 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 11/10/09 10:50 a.m. |
Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon/H1 | Avateur | 11/9/09 11:03 p.m. |
speaking of reach... | crzymnky069 | 11/9/09 11:07 p.m. |
Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon | Narcogen | 11/10/09 12:12 a.m. |
Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon | Avateur | 11/10/09 12:40 a.m. |
Reachathon? | Narcogen | 11/10/09 3:11 a.m. |
Re: Reachathon? | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 12:41 p.m. |
Re: Reachathon? | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/10/09 1:37 p.m. |
Re: Reachathon? | Hedgemony | 11/10/09 2:19 p.m. |
Re: Reachathon? | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 3:26 p.m. |
Re: Reachathon? | Narcogen | 11/11/09 12:08 a.m. |
Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 2:06 a.m. |
Heresy! | Narcogen | 11/10/09 3:30 a.m. |
Re: Heresy! | Avateur | 11/10/09 3:37 a.m. |
Re: Heresy! | Narcogen | 11/10/09 4:08 a.m. |
Re: Heresy! | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 12:26 p.m. |
5 minutes to learn, a lifetime to master | RC Master | 11/10/09 9:16 p.m. |
Re: Heresy! | Narcogen | 11/11/09 12:12 a.m. |
Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon | Bry | 11/10/09 7:18 a.m. |
Adjustable Auto Aim | ManKitten | 11/9/09 11:31 p.m. |
Re: Adjustable Auto Aim | crzymnky069 | 11/9/09 11:49 p.m. |
Re: Adjustable Auto Aim | urk | 11/10/09 10:32 a.m. |
Re: Adjustable Auto Aim | ManKitten | 11/10/09 1:17 p.m. |
Re: Adjustable Auto Aim | Gravemind | 11/11/09 1:00 p.m. |
Re: Adjustable Auto Aim | RC Master | 11/10/09 9:21 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | reprobate | 11/10/09 12:26 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/10/09 12:35 a.m. |
First Person View! | Cody Moore | 11/10/09 1:14 a.m. |
Re: First Person View! | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 2:23 a.m. |
Third Person View! | Narcogen | 11/10/09 3:37 a.m. |
Re: Third Person View! | bluerunner | 11/10/09 9:27 a.m. |
Re: Third Person View! Longish rant... | Hedgemony | 11/10/09 2:05 p.m. |
Re: Third Person View! Longish rant... | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 2:59 p.m. |
Re: Third Person View! Longish rant... | Hedgemony | 11/10/09 4:35 p.m. |
Re: Third Person View! Longish rant... | General Vagueness | 11/10/09 4:06 p.m. |
Re: Third Person View! | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 2:28 p.m. |
Re: First Person View! | ArteenEsben | 11/10/09 10:51 a.m. |
Re: First Person View! | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 11/10/09 10:58 a.m. |
Re: First Person View! | ArteenEsben | 11/10/09 11:20 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 2:08 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Bungiez | 11/10/09 1:09 a.m. |
i wanna say this is kp *NM* | Hawaiian Pig | 11/10/09 2:39 a.m. |
Re: i wanna say this is kp | Louis Wu | 11/10/09 8:30 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Someone | 11/10/09 2:10 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | scarab | 11/10/09 5:17 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Bernard Strauss | 11/10/09 4:12 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | scarab | 11/10/09 5:04 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | DrDoctor | 11/10/09 2:14 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Bry | 11/10/09 5:35 a.m. |
Wort wort wort | Cody Moore | 11/10/09 6:05 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | hyokin | 11/10/09 10:25 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | Louis Wu | 11/10/09 10:44 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | c0ld vengeance | 11/10/09 12:36 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | Arkesane | 11/10/09 12:47 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | padraig08 | 11/10/09 1:02 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | Avateur | 11/10/09 12:47 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | c0ld vengeance | 11/10/09 12:52 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | bluerunner | 11/10/09 1:01 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | Louis Wu | 11/10/09 1:53 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | FyreWulff | 11/10/09 5:12 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant | psychophan7 | 11/10/09 2:02 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | urk | 11/10/09 10:43 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/10/09 10:45 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 11/10/09 10:54 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 12:44 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/11/09 12:20 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Hawaiian Pig | 11/10/09 3:30 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/10/09 10:48 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/10/09 11:23 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | padraig08 | 11/10/09 1:20 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | RC Master | 11/11/09 8:34 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/11/09 8:44 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | RC Master | 11/11/09 9:58 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | RC Master | 11/11/09 9:59 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/11/09 10:20 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/11/09 12:47 p.m. |
•No barriers or kill zones anywhere in the game. | c0ld vengeance | 11/10/09 12:03 p.m. |
Wow, beat me to it. | profhalo | 11/10/09 1:13 p.m. |
Re: Wow, beat me to it. | Cody Moore | 11/10/09 4:59 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/10/09 1:26 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Matt | 11/10/09 3:44 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/10/09 3:50 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | SonofMacPhisto | 11/10/09 4:26 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/10/09 4:39 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | nash--housewares | 11/10/09 4:50 p.m. |
At-least-semi-valid jackassery. *NM* | Eiii | 11/10/09 7:11 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | ManKitten | 11/10/09 8:37 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/11/09 12:24 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Matt | 11/11/09 12:04 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/11/09 12:36 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/11/09 1:21 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Ducain | 11/11/09 1:28 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | ManKitten | 11/11/09 1:29 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/11/09 10:37 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Hedgemony | 11/11/09 10:53 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Matt | 11/11/09 2:11 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/11/09 3:12 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/11/09 3:46 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Hunt3r | 11/11/09 3:53 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/11/09 10:43 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Hawaiian Pig | 11/12/09 3:16 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Bry | 11/12/09 3:39 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/12/09 4:55 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/12/09 12:38 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/12/09 12:45 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/12/09 12:54 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/12/09 1:05 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/12/09 1:22 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/13/09 1:20 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/13/09 2:54 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/13/09 4:16 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/13/09 2:53 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Mercury | 11/13/09 4:03 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/13/09 11:21 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/14/09 12:57 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/12/09 2:24 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Hedgemony | 11/12/09 4:47 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Hunt3r | 11/12/09 5:06 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/13/09 1:16 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/13/09 1:31 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/13/09 1:41 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Mercury | 11/13/09 3:49 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/13/09 10:31 p.m. |
Tips for arguments. | Mercury | 11/12/09 5:41 p.m. |
Re: Tips for arguments. | elessar787 | 11/13/09 1:29 a.m. |
Re: Tips for arguments. | Mercury | 11/13/09 3:35 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | RC Master | 11/12/09 6:21 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/13/09 1:35 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/13/09 5:56 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/13/09 8:36 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/13/09 10:59 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/14/09 1:03 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/14/09 2:39 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/14/09 4:02 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/14/09 1:47 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | scarab | 11/14/09 2:43 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/14/09 3:58 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/14/09 4:26 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/14/09 5:13 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/14/09 5:38 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Vincent | 11/14/09 5:49 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/14/09 7:14 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Louis Wu | 11/14/09 7:19 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | RC Master | 11/14/09 11:56 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/14/09 12:36 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/13/09 1:28 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | elessar787 | 11/13/09 1:39 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Leviathan | 11/12/09 6:29 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Bry | 11/12/09 1:24 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Captain Spark | 11/12/09 1:25 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/13/09 8:11 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 11/13/09 8:26 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/12/09 9:48 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | scarab | 11/12/09 11:09 a.m. |
"Accessable hardcore games." | Gravemind | 11/12/09 8:29 p.m. |
Re: "Accessable hardcore games." | scarab | 11/13/09 5:16 a.m. |
Re: "Accessable hardcore games." | Gravemind | 11/13/09 12:30 p.m. |
Re: "Accessable hardcore games." | scarab | 11/13/09 2:23 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/12/09 9:46 a.m. |
Pure Win, As Usual *NM* | Narcogen | 11/11/09 12:22 a.m. |
Two things | rhubarb | 11/10/09 7:34 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Gravemind | 11/11/09 2:19 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Gravemind | 11/12/09 12:52 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Ducain | 11/12/09 10:30 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | General Vagueness | 11/12/09 11:05 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Mirel | 11/12/09 12:06 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Ducain | 11/12/09 1:21 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | zofinda | 11/12/09 1:27 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | DarkS7G | 11/12/09 1:54 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Mirel | 11/12/09 3:08 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Metalingus627 | 11/12/09 3:25 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/13/09 1:53 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | scarab | 11/13/09 5:56 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 2:26 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/16/09 2:38 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/16/09 2:48 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 12:03 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Leviathan | 11/16/09 3:16 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/16/09 6:11 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 11:55 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Ibeechu | 11/16/09 12:19 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Ibeechu | 11/16/09 12:21 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Dani | 11/16/09 12:27 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 12:35 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Dani | 11/16/09 12:43 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 2:18 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | psychophan7 | 11/16/09 3:01 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/16/09 2:16 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 2:24 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/16/09 9:04 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/16/09 9:56 p.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Narcogen | 11/17/09 5:30 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | Cody Miller | 11/17/09 12:45 p.m. |
Framerate and buying habits | Narcogen | 11/18/09 5:51 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | sorahn | 11/17/09 1:59 a.m. |
60 seems unreal anyway. Keep it 45 if you ask me | Mirel | 11/16/09 3:19 a.m. |
Bad idea | Narcogen | 11/16/09 6:08 a.m. |
Re: Tips for Reach | FyreWulff | 11/16/09 6:54 a.m. |
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