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Re: Tips for Reach
Posted By: Narcogen <narcogen@rampancy.net>	Date: 11/10/09 11:53 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Tips for Reach (psychophan7) : I didn't say that less accessibility makes a game better. I said that : over-accessibility makes a game worse. You realize that the distinctions between "more accessible" and "less accessible" as well as "overaccessible" and "underaccessible" are, by and large, subjective, individual and arbitrary, right? You can't have it both ways. If you're suggesting an inverse relationship between accessibility and quality then it must move in both directions. There's no magic precipice where making a game more accessible makes it better until it suddenly marches off a cliff and makes it bad. Only the people standing there on the cliff see it, those people who are happy to enjoy the elements of the game that make it accessible up to a point, until they experience one they don't like, and then they despise that last change, as well as all the people the change was made for, and claim that this change ruined a perfect game. : If it's just right for them, but too low for others, then there is : effectively a low standard of "skill" (for lack of a more : appropriate term) for finishing the campaign on Legendary. I guess that's : fine if setting low standards to play on the highest defined difficulty is : a good thing (which I believe is not). : In L4D, you always have three other allies with you. Even on single player, : playing by yourself, there are three AI-controlled allies. There will : always be 4 allies (hence why it's call Left 4 Dead, instead of Left : Any-Number-From-One-to-Four Dead), and that is a constant. No matter how : hard you try, you can't change that. That's why the system works, because : it knows that there will always be someone left to continue through level, : unless everyone is dead. Yes, thanks for the primer. I actually do have this game and have played it, at least enough to be familiar with the concept, which is why I brought it up. : In fact, I would say that your L4D example is bad. It's the same way in Halo : 3 with 4P co-op. I'd even go as far as to say it's the same way in Halo : single player, where if every player dies, you revert to last checkpoint. : If every player in L4D dies, you revert to last checkpoint. The only : differences between the two are the number of players between the two : modes (single player or co-op), and how often "dead" players can : get back into the game. Yes, that is the only distinction. It just so happens that it is extremely, extremely important. You've left out the other important elements, though, which is that L4D features enemies and attacks that are designed to make those allies useful-- they can rescue you when you cannot rescue yourself. Those specific situations do not exist in Halo. There is only one way to punish a player who has made a mistake in Halo: death and checkpoint reloading. When playing coop there is some incentive to keep allies around, but not much. In L4D it means a lot- an ally dying brings you closer to the ultimate penalty. : Oh, that would be because the difficulty levels for Halo 3 are a joke. In your opinion. If you : want the game to be hard, you have to make it hard by turning on skulls. : To make it hard, you have to go off and find the skulls first. You : effectively have to unlock and then toggle on "hard mode" if you : want a more challenging game. Difficulty should be tiered progression, : where you shouldn't be able (in terms of "skill", not : accessibility) to finish Legendary unless you can finish Heroic, and : Heroic shouldn't be finished unless you can finish Normal, and Normal : can't be finished unless you can finish Easy. : Instead, one could ostensibly jump from finishing Easy to going off and : finishing Legendary, because the increase in actual difficulty is : negligible. And by "one" you mean "you." My wife can't. Believe it or not, Bungie didn't make Halo just for you, or even just for me-- and that's a big part of the reason why it's in the top XBL games consistently. Oh no, more enemies that do more damage. The enemies don't : behave any differently; If the difficulty is higher, then the enemies : should be smarter and thus more challenging. Turning up the damage and : throwing more enemies into the mix just means you have to avoid the damage : and kill enemies faster. Having spoken with people at Bungie at various times over the years I'm fairly confident in saying that difficulty levels in Halo are not only damage models and unit counts, although that is a part of it. Enemies are much less aggressive on the lower levels. They never become quite as aggressive as they are in some other games-- most enemies are still pretty territorial, they wait for you to come to them. That's just part of the base scenario. : I'm sure this is something that can be calculated with such a simple formula. Actually it can and very often is. It's a cost-benefit analysis. : If there are skulls in Reach like the ones of Halo 3, then the groundwork is : mostly done. As we've seen with ODST, it's possible to turn on skulls : while a mission is in progress. Logically, it could be assumed that skulls : can also be turned off. Tweak the settings on the skulls, add more AI : behaviors, and that's basically Mythic. The only thing left would be to : add Mythic-specific triggers that change what skulls are active for each : encounter, like toggling Famine, Mythic, and Catch; Effects that change : game, but don't suddenly change the rules (skulls such as Iron, Tilt, : Black Eye, and perhaps Fog). : I'd figure that could be implemented within a week, 30 working hours. I'll be : gracious and bump that up to 75 hours. Firefight took I think 4(?) people : to implement, so I think that could be 300 man hours? Why, by your very : simple formula, a mere 300 people would have to play on this Mythic. I'm : fairly certain that more than 300 people have played on Legendary with an : assortment of skulls on. I'm also fairly certain that far more than 300 : people would play this difficulty if there were an achievement attached : (and there most likely would be). Huh? I think you misunderstood me, maybe I didn't draw out all the dots. Whether more people spend more time *playing* the game than it takes in hours to *develop* is not the point. The point is how much it costs Bungie to pay those developers for those man-hours (which goes up the more hours you spend) compared to the number of player-hours that are the direct result of the feature existing (and would not have existed if the feature did not) times the purchase price of the game, which scales ONLY with the number of players and NOT with the number of hours. Of course, I'm certainly willing to admit that some things Bungie does just because they want to or because they think it's cool. I guess all I can say then about other difficulty models is that either A) Bungie didn't think it was cool or B) it didn't make it past a cost-benefit analysis. Either one, take your pick.

Anger, Sadness & Envy Episode 11: Halo

Message Index

Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/9/09 9:26 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Leisandir	11/9/09 9:33 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/9/09 9:36 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	serpx	11/9/09 9:38 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	InnerRayg	11/9/09 9:39 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Devin Olsen	11/9/09 9:46 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Crab	11/9/09 9:49 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	SPARTAN 294	11/9/09 9:56 p.m.
agreein with this post *NM*	Hawaiian Pig	11/9/09 10:02 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	InnerRayg	11/10/09 2:05 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/10/09 2:12 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/10/09 2:49 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	psychophan7	11/10/09 3:01 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/10/09 3:23 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	psychophan7	11/10/09 1:43 p.m.
Completely agree	Metalingus627	11/10/09 2:18 p.m.
Re: Completely agree	Narcogen	11/10/09 11:55 p.m.
Re: Completely agree	Metalingus627	11/11/09 3:52 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	11/10/09 3:00 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	psychophan7	11/10/09 5:25 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/10/09 11:53 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	psychophan7	11/11/09 2:20 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/11/09 5:17 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	psychophan7	11/11/09 2:32 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	chris101b	11/11/09 12:43 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	psychophan7	11/12/09 6:01 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	chris101b	11/13/09 1:27 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	InnerRayg	11/10/09 6:53 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Hunt3r	11/9/09 9:55 p.m.
agreein with this post *NM*	Hawaiian Pig	11/9/09 9:59 p.m.
and a P.S. :	Hunt3r	11/9/09 10:02 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Ragashingo	11/9/09 10:53 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Leisandir	11/11/09 3:05 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	psychophan7	11/9/09 9:55 p.m.
agreein with this post *NM*	Hawaiian Pig	11/9/09 10:00 p.m.
Would be better if it was actual AI doing that	RC Master	11/10/09 8:08 p.m.
Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that	Hedgemony	11/10/09 8:16 p.m.
Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that	RC Master	11/10/09 8:22 p.m.
Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that	Hedgemony	11/10/09 8:33 p.m.
Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that	RC Master	11/10/09 8:48 p.m.
Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that	Vincent	11/11/09 2:47 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	kanbo	11/9/09 10:04 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	dizzy	11/9/09 10:18 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Bernard Strauss	11/9/09 10:41 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v.	Hedgemony	11/9/09 11:53 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v.	Cody Miller	11/10/09 2:08 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v.	SonofMacPhisto	11/10/09 9:24 a.m.
What have you started?	scarab	11/10/09 9:34 a.m.
Re: What have you started?	Louis Wu	11/10/09 9:38 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Captain Spark	11/9/09 10:29 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Ragashingo	11/9/09 10:59 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Captain Spark	11/9/09 11:03 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/9/09 11:14 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Hawaiian Pig	11/10/09 2:47 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Rosco-128	11/9/09 10:38 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/9/09 11:19 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Rosco-128	11/9/09 11:56 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/10/09 12:29 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Bry	11/10/09 8:47 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	scarab	11/10/09 9:48 a.m.
EEK ODST *SP* ^^^^ *NM*	scarab	11/10/09 9:50 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Metalingus627	11/10/09 2:24 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	The BS Police	11/9/09 10:40 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cortana 5	11/9/09 10:42 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	The BS Police	11/9/09 10:49 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cortana 5	11/9/09 10:56 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Hawaiian Pig	11/9/09 11:00 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Hunt3r	11/9/09 11:20 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/9/09 11:24 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Hedgemony	11/9/09 11:04 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	ArteenEsben	11/9/09 10:47 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/9/09 11:29 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	ArteenEsben	11/10/09 10:38 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	RC Master	11/10/09 8:46 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Ragashingo	11/9/09 10:48 p.m.
My Tip for Reach	ZaneZavin	11/9/09 11:21 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	bluerunner	11/10/09 9:45 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	11/10/09 10:50 a.m.
Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon/H1	Avateur	11/9/09 11:03 p.m.
speaking of reach...	crzymnky069	11/9/09 11:07 p.m.
Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon	Narcogen	11/10/09 12:12 a.m.
Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon	Avateur	11/10/09 12:40 a.m.
Reachathon?	Narcogen	11/10/09 3:11 a.m.
Re: Reachathon?	Cody Miller	11/10/09 12:41 p.m.
Re: Reachathon?	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	11/10/09 1:37 p.m.
Re: Reachathon?	Hedgemony	11/10/09 2:19 p.m.
Re: Reachathon?	Cody Miller	11/10/09 3:26 p.m.
Re: Reachathon?	Narcogen	11/11/09 12:08 a.m.
Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon	Cody Miller	11/10/09 2:06 a.m.
Heresy!	Narcogen	11/10/09 3:30 a.m.
Re: Heresy!	Avateur	11/10/09 3:37 a.m.
Re: Heresy!	Narcogen	11/10/09 4:08 a.m.
Re: Heresy!	Cody Miller	11/10/09 12:26 p.m.
5 minutes to learn, a lifetime to master	RC Master	11/10/09 9:16 p.m.
Re: Heresy!	Narcogen	11/11/09 12:12 a.m.
Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon	Bry	11/10/09 7:18 a.m.
Adjustable Auto Aim	ManKitten	11/9/09 11:31 p.m.
Re: Adjustable Auto Aim	crzymnky069	11/9/09 11:49 p.m.
Re: Adjustable Auto Aim	urk	11/10/09 10:32 a.m.
Re: Adjustable Auto Aim	ManKitten	11/10/09 1:17 p.m.
Re: Adjustable Auto Aim	Gravemind	11/11/09 1:00 p.m.
Re: Adjustable Auto Aim	RC Master	11/10/09 9:21 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	reprobate	11/10/09 12:26 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/10/09 12:35 a.m.
First Person View!	Cody Moore	11/10/09 1:14 a.m.
Re: First Person View!	psychophan7	11/10/09 2:23 a.m.
Third Person View!	Narcogen	11/10/09 3:37 a.m.
Re: Third Person View!	bluerunner	11/10/09 9:27 a.m.
Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...	Hedgemony	11/10/09 2:05 p.m.
Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...	Cody Miller	11/10/09 2:59 p.m.
Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...	Hedgemony	11/10/09 4:35 p.m.
Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...	General Vagueness	11/10/09 4:06 p.m.
Re: Third Person View!	psychophan7	11/10/09 2:28 p.m.
Re: First Person View!	ArteenEsben	11/10/09 10:51 a.m.
Re: First Person View!	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	11/10/09 10:58 a.m.
Re: First Person View!	ArteenEsben	11/10/09 11:20 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	psychophan7	11/10/09 2:08 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Bungiez	11/10/09 1:09 a.m.
i wanna say this is kp *NM*	Hawaiian Pig	11/10/09 2:39 a.m.
Re: i wanna say this is kp	Louis Wu	11/10/09 8:30 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Someone	11/10/09 2:10 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	scarab	11/10/09 5:17 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Bernard Strauss	11/10/09 4:12 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	scarab	11/10/09 5:04 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	DrDoctor	11/10/09 2:14 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Bry	11/10/09 5:35 a.m.
Wort wort wort	Cody Moore	11/10/09 6:05 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant	hyokin	11/10/09 10:25 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant	Louis Wu	11/10/09 10:44 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant	c0ld vengeance	11/10/09 12:36 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant	Arkesane	11/10/09 12:47 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant	padraig08	11/10/09 1:02 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant	Avateur	11/10/09 12:47 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant	c0ld vengeance	11/10/09 12:52 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant	bluerunner	11/10/09 1:01 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant	Louis Wu	11/10/09 1:53 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant	FyreWulff	11/10/09 5:12 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant	psychophan7	11/10/09 2:02 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	urk	11/10/09 10:43 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Louis Wu	11/10/09 10:45 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	11/10/09 10:54 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/10/09 12:44 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/11/09 12:20 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Hawaiian Pig	11/10/09 3:30 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	11/10/09 10:48 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/10/09 11:23 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	padraig08	11/10/09 1:20 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	RC Master	11/11/09 8:34 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Louis Wu	11/11/09 8:44 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	RC Master	11/11/09 9:58 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	RC Master	11/11/09 9:59 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Louis Wu	11/11/09 10:20 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/11/09 12:47 p.m.
•No barriers or kill zones anywhere in the game.	c0ld vengeance	11/10/09 12:03 p.m.
Wow, beat me to it.	profhalo	11/10/09 1:13 p.m.
Re: Wow, beat me to it.	Cody Moore	11/10/09 4:59 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	General Vagueness	11/10/09 1:26 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Matt	11/10/09 3:44 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/10/09 3:50 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	SonofMacPhisto	11/10/09 4:26 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	General Vagueness	11/10/09 4:39 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	nash--housewares	11/10/09 4:50 p.m.
At-least-semi-valid jackassery. *NM*	Eiii	11/10/09 7:11 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	ManKitten	11/10/09 8:37 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/11/09 12:24 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Matt	11/11/09 12:04 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/11/09 12:36 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	11/11/09 1:21 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Ducain	11/11/09 1:28 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	ManKitten	11/11/09 1:29 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/11/09 10:37 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Hedgemony	11/11/09 10:53 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Matt	11/11/09 2:11 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/11/09 3:12 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Louis Wu	11/11/09 3:46 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Hunt3r	11/11/09 3:53 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/11/09 10:43 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Hawaiian Pig	11/12/09 3:16 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Bry	11/12/09 3:39 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/12/09 4:55 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/12/09 12:38 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Louis Wu	11/12/09 12:45 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/12/09 12:54 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Louis Wu	11/12/09 1:05 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/12/09 1:22 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/13/09 1:20 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/13/09 2:54 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/13/09 4:16 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/13/09 2:53 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Mercury	11/13/09 4:03 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/13/09 11:21 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/14/09 12:57 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/12/09 2:24 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Hedgemony	11/12/09 4:47 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Hunt3r	11/12/09 5:06 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/13/09 1:16 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/13/09 1:31 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/13/09 1:41 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Mercury	11/13/09 3:49 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/13/09 10:31 p.m.
Tips for arguments.	Mercury	11/12/09 5:41 p.m.
Re: Tips for arguments.	elessar787	11/13/09 1:29 a.m.
Re: Tips for arguments.	Mercury	11/13/09 3:35 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	RC Master	11/12/09 6:21 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/13/09 1:35 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Louis Wu	11/13/09 5:56 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/13/09 8:36 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	General Vagueness	11/13/09 10:59 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/14/09 1:03 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/14/09 2:39 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/14/09 4:02 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/14/09 1:47 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	scarab	11/14/09 2:43 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Louis Wu	11/14/09 3:58 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/14/09 4:26 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Louis Wu	11/14/09 5:13 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/14/09 5:38 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Vincent	11/14/09 5:49 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	General Vagueness	11/14/09 7:14 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Louis Wu	11/14/09 7:19 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	RC Master	11/14/09 11:56 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	11/14/09 12:36 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/13/09 1:28 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/13/09 1:39 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Leviathan	11/12/09 6:29 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Bry	11/12/09 1:24 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Captain Spark	11/12/09 1:25 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	General Vagueness	11/13/09 8:11 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	11/13/09 8:26 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	General Vagueness	11/12/09 9:48 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	scarab	11/12/09 11:09 a.m.
"Accessable hardcore games."	Gravemind	11/12/09 8:29 p.m.
Re: "Accessable hardcore games."	scarab	11/13/09 5:16 a.m.
Re: "Accessable hardcore games."	Gravemind	11/13/09 12:30 p.m.
Re: "Accessable hardcore games."	scarab	11/13/09 2:23 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	General Vagueness	11/12/09 9:46 a.m.
Pure Win, As Usual *NM*	Narcogen	11/11/09 12:22 a.m.
Two things	rhubarb	11/10/09 7:34 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Gravemind	11/11/09 2:19 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Gravemind	11/12/09 12:52 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Ducain	11/12/09 10:30 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	General Vagueness	11/12/09 11:05 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Mirel	11/12/09 12:06 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Ducain	11/12/09 1:21 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	zofinda	11/12/09 1:27 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	DarkS7G	11/12/09 1:54 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Mirel	11/12/09 3:08 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Metalingus627	11/12/09 3:25 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/13/09 1:53 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	scarab	11/13/09 5:56 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/16/09 2:26 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/16/09 2:38 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/16/09 2:48 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/16/09 12:03 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Leviathan	11/16/09 3:16 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/16/09 6:11 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/16/09 11:55 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Ibeechu	11/16/09 12:19 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Ibeechu	11/16/09 12:21 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Dani	11/16/09 12:27 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/16/09 12:35 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Dani	11/16/09 12:43 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/16/09 2:18 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	psychophan7	11/16/09 3:01 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	11/16/09 2:16 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/16/09 2:24 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/16/09 9:04 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/16/09 9:56 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/17/09 5:30 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/17/09 12:45 p.m.
Framerate and buying habits	Narcogen	11/18/09 5:51 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	sorahn	11/17/09 1:59 a.m.
60 seems unreal anyway. Keep it 45 if you ask me	Mirel	11/16/09 3:19 a.m.
Bad idea	Narcogen	11/16/09 6:08 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	FyreWulff	11/16/09 6:54 a.m.