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Re: Tips for Reach
Posted By: Narcogen <narcogen@rampancy.net>Date: 11/11/09 5:17 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Tips for Reach (psychophan7)


: No way, I too have L4D and play it! What are the chances?

: You brought up L4D first and mentioned incentives why to keep allies around.
: You probably should have explored that thought more fully instead of
: saying I've left something out from your post.

I wrote a huge post about it and it's in this thread. I didn't feel like posting the whole thing again into the same thread

: News flash: There are definitely people better at playing Halo than me, which
: really isn't saying much considering that I'm not even very good at
: playing Halo.

With a few exceptions, everybody thinks they're middle class (not rich) and average at Halo (not very good or bad). That doesn't mean they actually are. The average Halo player is probably somebody like Wu.

: What's this "misunderstood" mean? It's a completely foreign word to
: me.

No, I'd say you're rather adept at it.

: I didn't say anything about player time. Was your formula not this?

You've intentionally removed what I actually said, so I will put it back, rephrased:

If the cost to add a new feature to the game can't be recovered in increased sales, you don't develop that feature. I imagine this to be especially true for a game developed on a short schedule as a stopgap between H3 and Reach.

The comparison is not between the actual number of players who want the feature and the number of hours. You're leaving out the purchase price of the game times the number of people who *would not buy it without this feature* and the hourly salary of those working on it. I thought it was self-explanatory but I left those out, apparently, because I thought it was obvious that Bungie (or rather MS) does not derive any specific benefit from people using a given feature. It has to be people who wouldn't have bought it without that feature.

Anger, Sadness & Envy Episode 11: Halo



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Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/9/09 9:26 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachLeisandir 11/9/09 9:33 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 9:36 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachserpx 11/9/09 9:38 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachInnerRayg 11/9/09 9:39 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachDevin Olsen 11/9/09 9:46 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachCrab 11/9/09 9:49 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachSPARTAN 294 11/9/09 9:56 p.m.
                 agreein with this post *NM*Hawaiian Pig 11/9/09 10:02 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachInnerRayg 11/10/09 2:05 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/10/09 2:12 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/10/09 2:49 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/10/09 3:01 a.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/10/09 3:23 a.m.
                                         Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/10/09 1:43 p.m.
                                               Completely agreeMetalingus627 11/10/09 2:18 p.m.
                                                     Re: Completely agreeNarcogen 11/10/09 11:55 p.m.
                                                           Re: Completely agreeMetalingus627 11/11/09 3:52 a.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/10/09 3:00 p.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/10/09 5:25 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/10/09 11:53 p.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/11/09 2:20 a.m.
                                                           Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 5:17 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/11/09 2:32 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for Reachchris101b 11/11/09 12:43 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/12/09 6:01 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for Reachchris101b 11/13/09 1:27 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachInnerRayg 11/10/09 6:53 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachHunt3r 11/9/09 9:55 p.m.
           agreein with this post *NM*Hawaiian Pig 11/9/09 9:59 p.m.
           and a P.S. :Hunt3r 11/9/09 10:02 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachRagashingo 11/9/09 10:53 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachLeisandir 11/11/09 3:05 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/9/09 9:55 p.m.
           agreein with this post *NM*Hawaiian Pig 11/9/09 10:00 p.m.
           Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatRC Master 11/10/09 8:08 p.m.
                 Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatHedgemony 11/10/09 8:16 p.m.
                       Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatRC Master 11/10/09 8:22 p.m.
                             Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatHedgemony 11/10/09 8:33 p.m.
                                   Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatRC Master 11/10/09 8:48 p.m.
                                         Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing thatVincent 11/11/09 2:47 a.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachkanbo 11/9/09 10:04 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachdizzy 11/9/09 10:18 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachBernard Strauss 11/9/09 10:41 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v.Hedgemony 11/9/09 11:53 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v.Cody Miller 11/10/09 2:08 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v.SonofMacPhisto 11/10/09 9:24 a.m.
                                   What have you started?scarab 11/10/09 9:34 a.m.
                                         Re: What have you started?Louis Wu 11/10/09 9:38 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachCaptain Spark 11/9/09 10:29 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachRagashingo 11/9/09 10:59 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachCaptain Spark 11/9/09 11:03 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 11:14 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachHawaiian Pig 11/10/09 2:47 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachRosco-128 11/9/09 10:38 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 11:19 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachRosco-128 11/9/09 11:56 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/10/09 12:29 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachBry 11/10/09 8:47 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/10/09 9:48 a.m.
                             EEK ODST *SP* ^^^^ *NM*scarab 11/10/09 9:50 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachMetalingus627 11/10/09 2:24 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachThe BS Police 11/9/09 10:40 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachCortana 5 11/9/09 10:42 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachThe BS Police 11/9/09 10:49 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachCortana 5 11/9/09 10:56 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachHawaiian Pig 11/9/09 11:00 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachHunt3r 11/9/09 11:20 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 11:24 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachHedgemony 11/9/09 11:04 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachArteenEsben 11/9/09 10:47 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/9/09 11:29 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachArteenEsben 11/10/09 10:38 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/10/09 8:46 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachRagashingo 11/9/09 10:48 p.m.
           My Tip for ReachZaneZavin 11/9/09 11:21 p.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachbluerunner 11/10/09 9:45 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/10/09 10:50 a.m.
     Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon/H1Avateur 11/9/09 11:03 p.m.
           speaking of reach...crzymnky069 11/9/09 11:07 p.m.
           Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like MarathonNarcogen 11/10/09 12:12 a.m.
                 Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like MarathonAvateur 11/10/09 12:40 a.m.
                       Reachathon?Narcogen 11/10/09 3:11 a.m.
                             Re: Reachathon?Cody Miller 11/10/09 12:41 p.m.
                                   Re: Reachathon?Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/10/09 1:37 p.m.
                                         Re: Reachathon?Hedgemony 11/10/09 2:19 p.m.
                                         Re: Reachathon?Cody Miller 11/10/09 3:26 p.m.
                                   Re: Reachathon?Narcogen 11/11/09 12:08 a.m.
                 Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like MarathonCody Miller 11/10/09 2:06 a.m.
                       Heresy!Narcogen 11/10/09 3:30 a.m.
                             Re: Heresy!Avateur 11/10/09 3:37 a.m.
                                   Re: Heresy!Narcogen 11/10/09 4:08 a.m.
                             Re: Heresy!Cody Miller 11/10/09 12:26 p.m.
                                   5 minutes to learn, a lifetime to masterRC Master 11/10/09 9:16 p.m.
                                   Re: Heresy!Narcogen 11/11/09 12:12 a.m.
                       Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like MarathonBry 11/10/09 7:18 a.m.
     Adjustable Auto AimManKitten 11/9/09 11:31 p.m.
           Re: Adjustable Auto Aimcrzymnky069 11/9/09 11:49 p.m.
           Re: Adjustable Auto Aimurk 11/10/09 10:32 a.m.
                 Re: Adjustable Auto AimManKitten 11/10/09 1:17 p.m.
                 Re: Adjustable Auto AimGravemind 11/11/09 1:00 p.m.
           Re: Adjustable Auto AimRC Master 11/10/09 9:21 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachreprobate 11/10/09 12:26 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/10/09 12:35 a.m.
           First Person View!Cody Moore 11/10/09 1:14 a.m.
                 Re: First Person View!psychophan7 11/10/09 2:23 a.m.
                 Third Person View!Narcogen 11/10/09 3:37 a.m.
                       Re: Third Person View!bluerunner 11/10/09 9:27 a.m.
                       Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...Hedgemony 11/10/09 2:05 p.m.
                             Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...Cody Miller 11/10/09 2:59 p.m.
                                   Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...Hedgemony 11/10/09 4:35 p.m.
                             Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...General Vagueness 11/10/09 4:06 p.m.
                       Re: Third Person View!psychophan7 11/10/09 2:28 p.m.
                 Re: First Person View!ArteenEsben 11/10/09 10:51 a.m.
                       Re: First Person View!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/10/09 10:58 a.m.
                             Re: First Person View!ArteenEsben 11/10/09 11:20 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/10/09 2:08 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachBungiez 11/10/09 1:09 a.m.
           i wanna say this is kp *NM*Hawaiian Pig 11/10/09 2:39 a.m.
                 Re: i wanna say this is kpLouis Wu 11/10/09 8:30 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachSomeone 11/10/09 2:10 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/10/09 5:17 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachBernard Strauss 11/10/09 4:12 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/10/09 5:04 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachDrDoctor 11/10/09 2:14 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachBry 11/10/09 5:35 a.m.
           Wort wort wortCody Moore 11/10/09 6:05 a.m.
     Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Ranthyokin 11/10/09 10:25 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantLouis Wu 11/10/09 10:44 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantc0ld vengeance 11/10/09 12:36 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantArkesane 11/10/09 12:47 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantpadraig08 11/10/09 1:02 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantAvateur 11/10/09 12:47 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantc0ld vengeance 11/10/09 12:52 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantbluerunner 11/10/09 1:01 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantLouis Wu 11/10/09 1:53 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier RantFyreWulff 11/10/09 5:12 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rantpsychophan7 11/10/09 2:02 p.m.
     Re: Tips for Reachurk 11/10/09 10:43 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/10/09 10:45 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/10/09 10:54 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/10/09 12:44 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 12:20 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachHawaiian Pig 11/10/09 3:30 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/10/09 10:48 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/10/09 11:23 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachpadraig08 11/10/09 1:20 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/11/09 8:34 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/11/09 8:44 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/11/09 9:58 a.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/11/09 9:59 a.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/11/09 10:20 a.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/11/09 12:47 p.m.
     •No barriers or kill zones anywhere in the game.c0ld vengeance 11/10/09 12:03 p.m.
           Wow, beat me to it.profhalo 11/10/09 1:13 p.m.
                 Re: Wow, beat me to it.Cody Moore 11/10/09 4:59 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/10/09 1:26 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachMatt 11/10/09 3:44 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/10/09 3:50 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachSonofMacPhisto 11/10/09 4:26 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/10/09 4:39 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachnash--housewares 11/10/09 4:50 p.m.
                             At-least-semi-valid jackassery. *NM*Eiii 11/10/09 7:11 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachManKitten 11/10/09 8:37 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 12:24 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachMatt 11/11/09 12:04 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/11/09 12:36 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/11/09 1:21 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachDucain 11/11/09 1:28 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachManKitten 11/11/09 1:29 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 10:37 p.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachHedgemony 11/11/09 10:53 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachMatt 11/11/09 2:11 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/11/09 3:12 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/11/09 3:46 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachHunt3r 11/11/09 3:53 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/11/09 10:43 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachHawaiian Pig 11/12/09 3:16 a.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachBry 11/12/09 3:39 a.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/12/09 4:55 a.m.
                                                           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/12/09 12:38 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/12/09 12:45 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/12/09 12:54 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/12/09 1:05 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/12/09 1:22 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 1:20 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/13/09 2:54 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 4:16 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/13/09 2:53 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachMercury 11/13/09 4:03 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/13/09 11:21 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/14/09 12:57 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/12/09 2:24 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachHedgemony 11/12/09 4:47 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachHunt3r 11/12/09 5:06 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 1:16 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 1:31 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 1:41 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachMercury 11/13/09 3:49 p.m.
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                                                                                         Tips for arguments.Mercury 11/12/09 5:41 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for arguments.elessar787 11/13/09 1:29 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for arguments.Mercury 11/13/09 3:35 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/12/09 6:21 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 1:35 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/13/09 5:56 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 8:36 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/13/09 10:59 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/14/09 1:03 a.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/14/09 2:39 a.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/14/09 4:02 a.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/14/09 1:47 p.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/14/09 2:43 p.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/14/09 3:58 p.m.
                                                                                                                                               Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/14/09 4:26 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/14/09 5:13 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                           Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/14/09 5:38 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachVincent 11/14/09 5:49 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/14/09 7:14 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachLouis Wu 11/14/09 7:19 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachRC Master 11/14/09 11:56 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/14/09 12:36 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 1:28 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Tips for Reachelessar787 11/13/09 1:39 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Tips for ReachLeviathan 11/12/09 6:29 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Tips for ReachBry 11/12/09 1:24 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachCaptain Spark 11/12/09 1:25 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/13/09 8:11 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Tips for ReachStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/13/09 8:26 a.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/12/09 9:48 a.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/12/09 11:09 a.m.
                                                     "Accessable hardcore games."Gravemind 11/12/09 8:29 p.m.
                                                           Re: "Accessable hardcore games."scarab 11/13/09 5:16 a.m.
                                                                 Re: "Accessable hardcore games."Gravemind 11/13/09 12:30 p.m.
                                                                       Re: "Accessable hardcore games."scarab 11/13/09 2:23 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/12/09 9:46 a.m.
           Pure Win, As Usual *NM*Narcogen 11/11/09 12:22 a.m.
     Two thingsrhubarb 11/10/09 7:34 p.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachGravemind 11/11/09 2:19 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachGravemind 11/12/09 12:52 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachDucain 11/12/09 10:30 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachGeneral Vagueness 11/12/09 11:05 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachMirel 11/12/09 12:06 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachDucain 11/12/09 1:21 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachzofinda 11/12/09 1:27 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachDarkS7G 11/12/09 1:54 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachMirel 11/12/09 3:08 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachMetalingus627 11/12/09 3:25 p.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/13/09 1:53 a.m.
           Re: Tips for Reachscarab 11/13/09 5:56 a.m.
     Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 2:26 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/16/09 2:38 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/16/09 2:48 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 12:03 p.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachLeviathan 11/16/09 3:16 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/16/09 6:11 a.m.
                 Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 11:55 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachIbeechu 11/16/09 12:19 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachIbeechu 11/16/09 12:21 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachDani 11/16/09 12:27 p.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 12:35 p.m.
                                               Re: Tips for ReachDani 11/16/09 12:43 p.m.
                                                     Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 2:18 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for Reachpsychophan7 11/16/09 3:01 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/16/09 2:16 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 2:24 p.m.
                       Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/16/09 9:04 p.m.
                             Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/16/09 9:56 p.m.
                                   Re: Tips for ReachNarcogen 11/17/09 5:30 a.m.
                                         Re: Tips for ReachCody Miller 11/17/09 12:45 p.m.
                                               Framerate and buying habitsNarcogen 11/18/09 5:51 a.m.
                       Re: Tips for Reachsorahn 11/17/09 1:59 a.m.
           60 seems unreal anyway. Keep it 45 if you ask meMirel 11/16/09 3:19 a.m.
                 Bad ideaNarcogen 11/16/09 6:08 a.m.
           Re: Tips for ReachFyreWulff 11/16/09 6:54 a.m.



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