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Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon
Posted By: Narcogen <narcogen@rampancy.net>	Date: 11/10/09 12:12 a.m.
In Response To: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon/H1 (Avateur) : "Like Marathon" is fairly vague, so I'll focus on key points. Make : the game challenging. I suppose this is part of the "forget casual : gamers" thing everyone is saying, and honestly, I may have to agree. : I understand making the game accessible to all people, but games from the : past that have been successful (pretty much 2001 and before) didn't need : to dumb every single interaction down and make everything linear in order : to make sales and get popular. Marathon makes you WORK, especially in : Infinity, where things can get extremely difficult at times. H3? Pretty : much every battle, even if I can go about each battle differently, is : linear and straight forward with the enemies doing the exact same things : every time. Marathon? They seek me out and actually try to and want to : kill me, and they don't let up on me. : Don't dumb the game down. I'm not stupid. The games Bungie tends to make are : 17+, which means they should challenge me, even if it means forcing me to : think and strategize in order to get through an area. Running and gunning : can be fun, but there's nothing wrong with forcing me to fall back, find : some different ammo, or maybe grab an entirely different gun. Oh, and if I : do end up doing that, there is no reason for the enemies not to follow me : and end up in my face the moment I turn around to go back. The terminals : in Marathon? Excellent story-telling, cryptic, straight-forward, and vague : all at the same time. I don't need a story handed to me like in H3. : H1 had that "authentic" Bungie feel to it, where the game being : presented wasn't trying to encompass every 8 year old who shouldn't be : playing the game as well as the target audience of 17+. The game was there : to tell a story, with open environments (level Halo where I could : literally drive anywhere or run anywhere and fight off the waves by acting : as a sniper, going close combat, or sneaking about) and battles forcing me : to fight uphill, downhill, through tight corridors, and on open terrain : (with or without vehicles). It truly was me against the world, and the : world was awesome. Marathon was the same way. If I can get lost in a : level, that's damn good. It's not linear, it's challenging, and it forces : me to be observant. Some areas can have a linear, asymmetrical feel to : them, but to make it that way on nearly every level is ridiculous. Real : life doesn't give me the benefit of dealing with adversity in walled off : (invisible or otherwise) areas, and neither should Reach. : The Marines in Halo almost appear dumber than the BOBs in Marathon. The BOBs : in Marathon fought pretty damn well for me, rarely if ever shot me, and : could be counted on until they got overwhelmed and taken out. The Marines : in Halo end up killing me more often than they kill my enemies. I don't : want them to just rush in and take care of every Covenant bastard on their : own, but when you have characters like Dare throwing grenades at you and : mocking you the entire time (and I can't even kill her), it gets : frustrating. It's bad when I have to resort to killing the Marines and : ODSTs that are near me because I'm afraid they're going to run me over, : take my Hog away from me if I step out of it for 2 seconds, or blow me up : at random. : Basically, get that old Bungie feel back. Just because you have to appeal to : 10 million people doesn't mean you have to dumb the game down and make it : as simple as humanly possible. I'll even reference CoD4 and what CoD MW2 : will most likely be. You know they won't be dumbing it down, keeping it : linear, keeping me from strategizing or being observant, or making my : enemies pushovers. Just like Marathon. Don't get me wrong. I love the heck out of Marathon. Yet I get the feeling you are advocating Bungie making a game that would appeal to a few thousand of us fans and not too many others. That said I am not an exceptional player. I play on Heroic as a baseline and finish the games on Legendary because I feel I should. I also played CoD4 although probably at the default difficulty, which I imagine is the equivalent of Heroic or below. I honestly don't see how CoD 4, in terms of challenge, is "not dumbed down" or "linear" as opposed to Halo 3, for example. In fact, CoD seems to, in many, many locations, resort to what I think is one of the cheapest moves in game design: infinitely respawning enemies. If that's what it takes to create challenge I'm just as happy Bungie is satisfied being less challenging. BoBs rarely shot you? Really? I'm all for nonlinear levels, nonlinear play, and nonlinear stories. Marathon infinity took a stab at doing them, and to be honest, they're hard. Outside of pure sandbox games no one, if you ask me, has really achieved it. Add to that the problem of asset creation-- HD content takes longer to author than SD content, and nonlinearity and freedom of exploration means allowing the player the freedom to skip and/or ignore content. That means you have to make even more content, so that the player gets a full experience even if he chooses to skip or ignore great portions of it. This is what most of the AAA RPGs are doing now.

Anger, Sadness & Envy Episode 11: Halo

Message Index

Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/9/09 9:26 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Leisandir	11/9/09 9:33 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/9/09 9:36 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	serpx	11/9/09 9:38 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	InnerRayg	11/9/09 9:39 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Devin Olsen	11/9/09 9:46 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Crab	11/9/09 9:49 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	SPARTAN 294	11/9/09 9:56 p.m.
agreein with this post *NM*	Hawaiian Pig	11/9/09 10:02 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	InnerRayg	11/10/09 2:05 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/10/09 2:12 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/10/09 2:49 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	psychophan7	11/10/09 3:01 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/10/09 3:23 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	psychophan7	11/10/09 1:43 p.m.
Completely agree	Metalingus627	11/10/09 2:18 p.m.
Re: Completely agree	Narcogen	11/10/09 11:55 p.m.
Re: Completely agree	Metalingus627	11/11/09 3:52 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	11/10/09 3:00 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	psychophan7	11/10/09 5:25 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/10/09 11:53 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	psychophan7	11/11/09 2:20 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/11/09 5:17 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	psychophan7	11/11/09 2:32 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	chris101b	11/11/09 12:43 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	psychophan7	11/12/09 6:01 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	chris101b	11/13/09 1:27 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	InnerRayg	11/10/09 6:53 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Hunt3r	11/9/09 9:55 p.m.
agreein with this post *NM*	Hawaiian Pig	11/9/09 9:59 p.m.
and a P.S. :	Hunt3r	11/9/09 10:02 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Ragashingo	11/9/09 10:53 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Leisandir	11/11/09 3:05 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	psychophan7	11/9/09 9:55 p.m.
agreein with this post *NM*	Hawaiian Pig	11/9/09 10:00 p.m.
Would be better if it was actual AI doing that	RC Master	11/10/09 8:08 p.m.
Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that	Hedgemony	11/10/09 8:16 p.m.
Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that	RC Master	11/10/09 8:22 p.m.
Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that	Hedgemony	11/10/09 8:33 p.m.
Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that	RC Master	11/10/09 8:48 p.m.
Re: Would be better if it was actual AI doing that	Vincent	11/11/09 2:47 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	kanbo	11/9/09 10:04 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	dizzy	11/9/09 10:18 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Bernard Strauss	11/9/09 10:41 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v.	Hedgemony	11/9/09 11:53 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v.	Cody Miller	11/10/09 2:08 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach - my p.o.v.	SonofMacPhisto	11/10/09 9:24 a.m.
What have you started?	scarab	11/10/09 9:34 a.m.
Re: What have you started?	Louis Wu	11/10/09 9:38 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Captain Spark	11/9/09 10:29 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Ragashingo	11/9/09 10:59 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Captain Spark	11/9/09 11:03 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/9/09 11:14 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Hawaiian Pig	11/10/09 2:47 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Rosco-128	11/9/09 10:38 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/9/09 11:19 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Rosco-128	11/9/09 11:56 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/10/09 12:29 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Bry	11/10/09 8:47 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	scarab	11/10/09 9:48 a.m.
EEK ODST *SP* ^^^^ *NM*	scarab	11/10/09 9:50 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Metalingus627	11/10/09 2:24 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	The BS Police	11/9/09 10:40 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cortana 5	11/9/09 10:42 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	The BS Police	11/9/09 10:49 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cortana 5	11/9/09 10:56 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Hawaiian Pig	11/9/09 11:00 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Hunt3r	11/9/09 11:20 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/9/09 11:24 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Hedgemony	11/9/09 11:04 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	ArteenEsben	11/9/09 10:47 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/9/09 11:29 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	ArteenEsben	11/10/09 10:38 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	RC Master	11/10/09 8:46 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Ragashingo	11/9/09 10:48 p.m.
My Tip for Reach	ZaneZavin	11/9/09 11:21 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	bluerunner	11/10/09 9:45 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	11/10/09 10:50 a.m.
Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon/H1	Avateur	11/9/09 11:03 p.m.
speaking of reach...	crzymnky069	11/9/09 11:07 p.m.
Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon	Narcogen	11/10/09 12:12 a.m.
Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon	Avateur	11/10/09 12:40 a.m.
Reachathon?	Narcogen	11/10/09 3:11 a.m.
Re: Reachathon?	Cody Miller	11/10/09 12:41 p.m.
Re: Reachathon?	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	11/10/09 1:37 p.m.
Re: Reachathon?	Hedgemony	11/10/09 2:19 p.m.
Re: Reachathon?	Cody Miller	11/10/09 3:26 p.m.
Re: Reachathon?	Narcogen	11/11/09 12:08 a.m.
Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon	Cody Miller	11/10/09 2:06 a.m.
Heresy!	Narcogen	11/10/09 3:30 a.m.
Re: Heresy!	Avateur	11/10/09 3:37 a.m.
Re: Heresy!	Narcogen	11/10/09 4:08 a.m.
Re: Heresy!	Cody Miller	11/10/09 12:26 p.m.
5 minutes to learn, a lifetime to master	RC Master	11/10/09 9:16 p.m.
Re: Heresy!	Narcogen	11/11/09 12:12 a.m.
Re: Make Reach (and any new IP) more like Marathon	Bry	11/10/09 7:18 a.m.
Adjustable Auto Aim	ManKitten	11/9/09 11:31 p.m.
Re: Adjustable Auto Aim	crzymnky069	11/9/09 11:49 p.m.
Re: Adjustable Auto Aim	urk	11/10/09 10:32 a.m.
Re: Adjustable Auto Aim	ManKitten	11/10/09 1:17 p.m.
Re: Adjustable Auto Aim	Gravemind	11/11/09 1:00 p.m.
Re: Adjustable Auto Aim	RC Master	11/10/09 9:21 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	reprobate	11/10/09 12:26 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/10/09 12:35 a.m.
First Person View!	Cody Moore	11/10/09 1:14 a.m.
Re: First Person View!	psychophan7	11/10/09 2:23 a.m.
Third Person View!	Narcogen	11/10/09 3:37 a.m.
Re: Third Person View!	bluerunner	11/10/09 9:27 a.m.
Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...	Hedgemony	11/10/09 2:05 p.m.
Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...	Cody Miller	11/10/09 2:59 p.m.
Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...	Hedgemony	11/10/09 4:35 p.m.
Re: Third Person View! Longish rant...	General Vagueness	11/10/09 4:06 p.m.
Re: Third Person View!	psychophan7	11/10/09 2:28 p.m.
Re: First Person View!	ArteenEsben	11/10/09 10:51 a.m.
Re: First Person View!	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	11/10/09 10:58 a.m.
Re: First Person View!	ArteenEsben	11/10/09 11:20 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	psychophan7	11/10/09 2:08 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Bungiez	11/10/09 1:09 a.m.
i wanna say this is kp *NM*	Hawaiian Pig	11/10/09 2:39 a.m.
Re: i wanna say this is kp	Louis Wu	11/10/09 8:30 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Someone	11/10/09 2:10 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	scarab	11/10/09 5:17 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Bernard Strauss	11/10/09 4:12 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	scarab	11/10/09 5:04 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	DrDoctor	11/10/09 2:14 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Bry	11/10/09 5:35 a.m.
Wort wort wort	Cody Moore	11/10/09 6:05 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant	hyokin	11/10/09 10:25 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant	Louis Wu	11/10/09 10:44 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant	c0ld vengeance	11/10/09 12:36 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant	Arkesane	11/10/09 12:47 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant	padraig08	11/10/09 1:02 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant	Avateur	11/10/09 12:47 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant	c0ld vengeance	11/10/09 12:52 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant	bluerunner	11/10/09 1:01 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant	Louis Wu	11/10/09 1:53 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant	FyreWulff	11/10/09 5:12 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach/Barrier Rant	psychophan7	11/10/09 2:02 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	urk	11/10/09 10:43 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Louis Wu	11/10/09 10:45 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	11/10/09 10:54 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/10/09 12:44 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/11/09 12:20 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Hawaiian Pig	11/10/09 3:30 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	11/10/09 10:48 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/10/09 11:23 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	padraig08	11/10/09 1:20 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	RC Master	11/11/09 8:34 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Louis Wu	11/11/09 8:44 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	RC Master	11/11/09 9:58 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	RC Master	11/11/09 9:59 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Louis Wu	11/11/09 10:20 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/11/09 12:47 p.m.
•No barriers or kill zones anywhere in the game.	c0ld vengeance	11/10/09 12:03 p.m.
Wow, beat me to it.	profhalo	11/10/09 1:13 p.m.
Re: Wow, beat me to it.	Cody Moore	11/10/09 4:59 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	General Vagueness	11/10/09 1:26 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Matt	11/10/09 3:44 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/10/09 3:50 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	SonofMacPhisto	11/10/09 4:26 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	General Vagueness	11/10/09 4:39 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	nash--housewares	11/10/09 4:50 p.m.
At-least-semi-valid jackassery. *NM*	Eiii	11/10/09 7:11 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	ManKitten	11/10/09 8:37 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/11/09 12:24 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Matt	11/11/09 12:04 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/11/09 12:36 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	11/11/09 1:21 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Ducain	11/11/09 1:28 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	ManKitten	11/11/09 1:29 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/11/09 10:37 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Hedgemony	11/11/09 10:53 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Matt	11/11/09 2:11 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/11/09 3:12 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Louis Wu	11/11/09 3:46 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Hunt3r	11/11/09 3:53 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/11/09 10:43 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Hawaiian Pig	11/12/09 3:16 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Bry	11/12/09 3:39 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/12/09 4:55 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/12/09 12:38 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Louis Wu	11/12/09 12:45 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/12/09 12:54 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Louis Wu	11/12/09 1:05 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/12/09 1:22 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/13/09 1:20 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/13/09 2:54 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/13/09 4:16 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/13/09 2:53 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Mercury	11/13/09 4:03 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/13/09 11:21 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/14/09 12:57 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/12/09 2:24 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Hedgemony	11/12/09 4:47 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Hunt3r	11/12/09 5:06 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/13/09 1:16 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/13/09 1:31 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/13/09 1:41 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Mercury	11/13/09 3:49 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/13/09 10:31 p.m.
Tips for arguments.	Mercury	11/12/09 5:41 p.m.
Re: Tips for arguments.	elessar787	11/13/09 1:29 a.m.
Re: Tips for arguments.	Mercury	11/13/09 3:35 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	RC Master	11/12/09 6:21 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/13/09 1:35 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Louis Wu	11/13/09 5:56 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/13/09 8:36 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	General Vagueness	11/13/09 10:59 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/14/09 1:03 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/14/09 2:39 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/14/09 4:02 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/14/09 1:47 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	scarab	11/14/09 2:43 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Louis Wu	11/14/09 3:58 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/14/09 4:26 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Louis Wu	11/14/09 5:13 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/14/09 5:38 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Vincent	11/14/09 5:49 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	General Vagueness	11/14/09 7:14 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Louis Wu	11/14/09 7:19 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	RC Master	11/14/09 11:56 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	11/14/09 12:36 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/13/09 1:28 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	elessar787	11/13/09 1:39 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Leviathan	11/12/09 6:29 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Bry	11/12/09 1:24 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Captain Spark	11/12/09 1:25 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	General Vagueness	11/13/09 8:11 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	11/13/09 8:26 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	General Vagueness	11/12/09 9:48 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	scarab	11/12/09 11:09 a.m.
"Accessable hardcore games."	Gravemind	11/12/09 8:29 p.m.
Re: "Accessable hardcore games."	scarab	11/13/09 5:16 a.m.
Re: "Accessable hardcore games."	Gravemind	11/13/09 12:30 p.m.
Re: "Accessable hardcore games."	scarab	11/13/09 2:23 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	General Vagueness	11/12/09 9:46 a.m.
Pure Win, As Usual *NM*	Narcogen	11/11/09 12:22 a.m.
Two things	rhubarb	11/10/09 7:34 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Gravemind	11/11/09 2:19 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Gravemind	11/12/09 12:52 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Ducain	11/12/09 10:30 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	General Vagueness	11/12/09 11:05 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Mirel	11/12/09 12:06 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Ducain	11/12/09 1:21 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	zofinda	11/12/09 1:27 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	DarkS7G	11/12/09 1:54 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Mirel	11/12/09 3:08 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Metalingus627	11/12/09 3:25 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/13/09 1:53 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	scarab	11/13/09 5:56 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/16/09 2:26 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/16/09 2:38 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/16/09 2:48 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/16/09 12:03 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Leviathan	11/16/09 3:16 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/16/09 6:11 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/16/09 11:55 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Ibeechu	11/16/09 12:19 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Ibeechu	11/16/09 12:21 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Dani	11/16/09 12:27 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/16/09 12:35 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Dani	11/16/09 12:43 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/16/09 2:18 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	psychophan7	11/16/09 3:01 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	11/16/09 2:16 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/16/09 2:24 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/16/09 9:04 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/16/09 9:56 p.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Narcogen	11/17/09 5:30 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	Cody Miller	11/17/09 12:45 p.m.
Framerate and buying habits	Narcogen	11/18/09 5:51 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	sorahn	11/17/09 1:59 a.m.
60 seems unreal anyway. Keep it 45 if you ask me	Mirel	11/16/09 3:19 a.m.
Bad idea	Narcogen	11/16/09 6:08 a.m.
Re: Tips for Reach	FyreWulff	11/16/09 6:54 a.m.