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Re: Too early for an opinion on 343i
Posted By: Avateur <avateur@gmail.com>Date: 12/4/11 11:52 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Too early for an opinion on 343i (rukizzel)


: Very interesting. Thanks for that info.

: Again, I still see this as a case of interpretation. When Frankie mentions
: Anniversary--I don't hear, "these changes are just for the
: Anniversary playlists." Instead I hear, "we're using this as a
: tool to see how we are going to roll out the additional changes we are
: making."

: What also makes me think the changes will completely take over all of
: matchmaking (TU not Anniversary) is the fact that it is a title update. If
: it's an update to the game, I, like you, expect more of a global change,
: rather than a half-assed attempt to make everyone happy. Second is the
: word beta. I think of the hopper as a test for changes to come to most of
: Reach. And after having conversations, in person, with 343 staff, I've
: also realized that the Beta hopper will be a place where they test changes
: that will be applied to matchmaking, before they just roll em out.

: The last part is that Frankie mentions this is just phase one. How many
: phases are there? Who knows. But the fact that he uses this phrase makes
: me believe more changes are in the pipelines. let's not forget to add in
: the fact that he says the Beta is the 3rd/4th popular playlist. I think
: the numbers would show that if people are playing it that much, they must
: like the changes in them.

Correlation is not causation. It's something new and shiny and that's why there are more people in it, not because they like it. I'm willing to bet that the Anniversary hopper is beating the snot out of a lot of other playlists right now, but hardly because of the gametypes. "New" maps that happen to be classics that actually play a lot better than a lot of the terrible community maps and other Forged abominations that have found their way into Team Slayer (that will now be seeing decreased play time if I read the current Bulletin correctly). I guess we'll see how the TU affects Multi-Team, Objective, and Squad Battle (or maybe it won't even have any significant impact, who knows).

: My main quarrel is still the fact that I don't see where one would think the
: TU is *only* for Anniversary.Could be just me. Hell, maybe it's
: misinterpretation on my part. But from what I see 343 has been true to
: their word. I just wish they would yank the band-aid off instead of trying
: to ease it back.

I think you're right in that it is the wording. There is this perception (that I share) that the TU wasn't really a TU, but was actually an update or patch to apply to the Anniversary playlist. Bungie made Reach and even if 343 Industries is in control now, there's still some level of respect to be paid to Reach's multiplayer without completing dismantling or warping it. Leaving standard Reach alone is fantastic because the game just works. It has its flaws, but the TU only increases those in how it's added an extra bit of randomness and ridiculousness to the armor abilities and weapon damage.

Snipe 316 and I last night kept having issues with trying to figure out which pistol we were using in plenty of the games. I'd honestly rather see it just left to the Anniversary playlists instead of making it more confusing as to where and what has this stuff applied. I feel bad for anyone who hops on Reach after a while who doesn't happen to read the Halo Bulletins or read forums like these who then end up playing a gametype and not being able to understand why things are different, only to go back to Slayer and see that things are how they remembered. Too inconsistent, too weak, and too disappointing.


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Too early for an opinion on 343iSpec ops Grunt 12/4/11 10:01 p.m.
     Re: Too early for an opinion on 343irukizzel 12/4/11 10:10 p.m.
           YesAvateur 12/4/11 10:36 p.m.
                 Re: YesSpec ops Grunt 12/4/11 10:46 p.m.
                 Re: Yesrukizzel 12/4/11 10:48 p.m.
                       Re: YesAvateur 12/4/11 10:57 p.m.
     Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iuberfoop 12/4/11 10:14 p.m.
           Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iSpec ops Grunt 12/4/11 10:32 p.m.
                 Re: Too early for an opinion on 343irukizzel 12/4/11 10:42 p.m.
                       Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iAvateur 12/4/11 11:03 p.m.
                             Re: Too early for an opinion on 343irukizzel 12/4/11 11:21 p.m.
                                   Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iAvateur 12/4/11 11:52 p.m.
                                   Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iPhoenix_9286 12/4/11 11:54 p.m.
                                         Re: Too early for an opinion on 343irukizzel 12/5/11 12:09 a.m.
                                               Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iSpec ops Grunt 12/5/11 12:32 a.m.
                             Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iFyreWulff 12/4/11 11:52 p.m.
     Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iFyreWulff 12/4/11 11:43 p.m.
           Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iHoovaloov 12/6/11 8:13 a.m.
                 Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iFyreWulff 12/6/11 8:21 a.m.
                       Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iHoovaloov 12/6/11 8:30 a.m.
                             Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iFyreWulff 12/7/11 10:39 a.m.
                                   Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iLouis Wu 12/7/11 10:57 a.m.
                                         Not saying a lot, but...katancik 12/7/11 11:02 a.m.
                                         Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iFyreWulff 12/7/11 11:12 a.m.
                                               Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iHoovaloov 12/8/11 1:09 a.m.
                                                     Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iJoony Joon 12/8/11 8:09 a.m.
                                         Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iBeckx 12/7/11 11:12 a.m.
                                         Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iDEEP NNN 12/7/11 1:03 p.m.
                                         Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iAvateur 12/7/11 2:59 p.m.
                 Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iHyokin 12/6/11 1:49 p.m.
     Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iHyokin 12/5/11 12:12 a.m.
           Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iSpec ops Grunt 12/5/11 12:37 a.m.
                 LOVED CRYPTUM *NM*kidtsunami 12/5/11 1:12 a.m.
           What have you read post GoO and CH? *NM*Lurono 12/5/11 2:52 a.m.
                 Re: What have you read post GoO and CH?Mid7night 12/5/11 12:03 p.m.
     Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iDEEP NNN 12/5/11 6:25 a.m.
     Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iBry 12/5/11 6:57 a.m.
     I'll bring up one point...RC Master 12/5/11 7:49 a.m.
           Re: I'll bring up one point...Revenant1988 12/5/11 9:22 a.m.
           Can we agree?Miguel Chavez 12/5/11 1:42 p.m.
                 Re: Can we agree?uberfoop 12/5/11 1:50 p.m.
                       Re: Can we agree?Miguel Chavez 12/5/11 6:54 p.m.
                             Re: Can we agree?uberfoop 12/5/11 7:49 p.m.
                                   Re: Can we agree?Kermit 12/5/11 9:09 p.m.
                 Re: Can we agree?RC Master 12/5/11 7:30 p.m.
     Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iHedgemony 12/5/11 8:06 a.m.
           Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iDEEP NNN 12/5/11 9:33 a.m.
                 Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iHedgemony 12/5/11 9:52 a.m.
           Hedgemony does not comment on rumor or speculationLostSpartan987 12/5/11 3:23 p.m.
           Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iSpec ops Grunt 12/5/11 4:17 p.m.
                 Re: Bingo. *NM*Hedgemony 12/5/11 4:30 p.m.
                       (:Spec ops Grunt 12/6/11 1:02 a.m.
     Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iSonofMacPhisto 12/5/11 4:04 p.m.
           Re: Too early for an opinion on 343ibluerunner 12/5/11 4:32 p.m.
                 Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iSonofMacPhisto 12/5/11 4:44 p.m.
                       Re: Too early for an opinion on 343ibluerunner 12/5/11 5:04 p.m.
                             Re: Too early for an opinion on 343iSonofMacPhisto 12/5/11 9:03 p.m.
           If you want to reference something, do it right...Lurono 12/5/11 9:24 p.m.
                 Re: If you want to reference something, do it righSonofMacPhisto 12/6/11 12:04 a.m.
     It's a death by a thousand cutsrhubarb 12/5/11 8:53 p.m.
           Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsLurono 12/5/11 9:26 p.m.
                 Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsAvateur 12/5/11 9:33 p.m.
                       Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsLurono 12/5/11 11:32 p.m.
                             Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsAvateur 12/6/11 11:14 a.m.
                                   Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsLurono 12/7/11 5:10 a.m.
                                         Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsAvateur 12/7/11 2:54 p.m.
                                               Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsArithmomaniac 12/7/11 2:59 p.m.
                                                     Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsAvateur 12/7/11 3:04 p.m.
                                                           Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsLouis Wu 12/7/11 4:13 p.m.
                                                                 Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsAvateur 12/7/11 5:03 p.m.
                                               Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsLurono 12/7/11 11:39 p.m.
                 Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsrhubarb 12/5/11 9:44 p.m.
                       Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsLurono 12/5/11 11:47 p.m.
                             Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsrhubarb 12/6/11 12:43 a.m.
                                   Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsLurono 12/6/11 1:22 a.m.
                                   Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsLouis Wu 12/6/11 7:04 a.m.
                                         Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsStephen L. (SoundEffect) 12/6/11 7:59 a.m.
                                               Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsLouis Wu 12/6/11 9:03 a.m.
                                               Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsDEEP NNN 12/6/11 10:06 a.m.
                                               Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsMiguel Chavez 12/6/11 12:50 p.m.
                                                     You're right, Mig.Kermit 12/6/11 1:36 p.m.
                                               Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsBry 12/6/11 5:06 p.m.
                                                     Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsStephen L. (SoundEffect) 12/6/11 6:00 p.m.
                                                           Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsBry 12/6/11 6:40 p.m.
                                         Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsQuirel 12/6/11 11:28 a.m.
                 Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsSonofMacPhisto 12/6/11 12:06 a.m.
           Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsSpec ops Grunt 12/6/11 1:04 a.m.
                 Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsRC Master 12/6/11 6:44 a.m.
                       Re: It's a death by a thousand cutsSpec ops Grunt 12/6/11 1:39 p.m.
     My opinions are mixed.Gravemind 12/5/11 9:07 p.m.
           Re: My opinions are mixed.Lurono 12/5/11 9:38 p.m.



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