| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? |
| Posted By: Schooly D <schoolyd@teamschoolyd.org> | Date: 12/3/11 1:45 a.m. |
In Response To: Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? (urk)
: "Default" Reach was playtested, and lauded, by MLG players long
: before it ever shipped, marking it as the first and only Halo title that
: was exposed to professional players and their feedback prior to launch. I
: distinctly recall players like Hysteria and Elamite Warrior noting that
: systems like bloom would be an incredible boon to skilled players. It's
: sort of en vogue now to trash it as a non-competitive, " casualized
: " game, even though it was vetted and influenced more significantly
: by MLG players than any other Halo title, ever. Part of me thinks that's
: sort of funny and ironic. Another part of me reads these posts and
: realizes that it's mostly sad. Live and learn.
I find this very interesting. I wonder how the opinions of the competitive playtesters ended up flying directly in the face of the competitive community at-large.
Part of me wants to suggest that if you had given anyone a closed, highly privileged early taste of a very anticipated game, they'd be too excited to actually think badly of fundamental aspects of it. But the main culprit is probably just that it takes a lot of time and a lot of man- (boy-?) hours in a variety of different settings and against a variety of different opponents to diagnose the flaws.
I know that when Reach dropped, I was totally excited about the new stuff it introduced. I thought bloom was an interesting mechanic that added a new layer of skill to engagements. I thought ALL of the Armor Abilities were equal and that competitive play should feature as many starting abilities as possible, giddy to see how they interacted with each other and how they influenced gameplay. It wasn't until after I had spent a long time playing that I realized how wrong I was.
I feel like there must be more objective ways to make a game that satisfies competitive players than just making something, handing it to them with exclusive and controlled access, and asking for their thoughts.
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| MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | RVideo | 12/2/11 7:45 p.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | Spec ops Grunt | 12/2/11 8:18 p.m. |
| Whoa now!!! | bryan newman | 12/2/11 8:57 p.m. |
| Re: Whoa now!!! | JDQuackers | 12/2/11 9:32 p.m. |
| Re: Whoa now!!! | bryan newman | 12/3/11 12:24 a.m. |
| Re: Whoa now!!! | RVideo | 12/3/11 1:05 a.m. |
| Re: Whoa now!!! | Bryan Newman | 12/3/11 4:35 p.m. |
| Re: Whoa now!!! | Bry | 12/3/11 5:06 p.m. |
| Not quite true | Bryan newman | 12/3/11 5:41 p.m. |
| Re: Not quite true | Bry | 12/3/11 6:38 p.m. |
| That really depends. | uberfoop | 12/3/11 6:46 p.m. |
| Err, wait. | uberfoop | 12/3/11 6:48 p.m. |
| MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk. | bryan newman | 12/3/11 7:42 p.m. |
| "Casual Weapons" | Spec ops Grunt | 12/3/11 8:07 p.m. |
| I'm not trying to be insulting. | bryan newman | 12/3/11 8:29 p.m. |
| Re: I'm not trying to be insulting. | SonofMacPhisto | 12/3/11 8:33 p.m. |
| Re: I'm not trying to be insulting. | bryan newman | 12/3/11 8:41 p.m. |
| Re: I'm not trying to be insulting. | SonofMacPhisto | 12/3/11 8:45 p.m. |
| Re: I'm not trying to be insulting. | bryan newman | 12/3/11 8:47 p.m. |
| Pro = paid. Amateur = not paid. | Gravemind | 12/5/11 4:12 a.m. |
| Re: I'm not trying to be insulting. | Bry | 12/3/11 9:12 p.m. |
| Re: I'm not trying to be insulting. | SonofMacPhisto | 12/3/11 10:18 p.m. |
| Oops | SonofMacPhisto | 12/3/11 10:24 p.m. |
| It's my gamerzone... | RC Master | 12/4/11 8:10 a.m. |
| Re: It's my gamerzone... | Bry | 12/4/11 9:57 a.m. |
| Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk. | Bry | 12/3/11 8:24 p.m. |
| Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk. | SonofMacPhisto | 12/3/11 8:32 p.m. |
| Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk. | bryan newman | 12/3/11 8:38 p.m. |
| Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk. | Bry | 12/3/11 9:06 p.m. |
| Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk. | bryan newman | 12/3/11 9:21 p.m. |
| Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk. | Leviathan | 12/3/11 9:39 p.m. |
| Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk. | bryan newman | 12/3/11 9:56 p.m. |
| Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk. | Leviathan | 12/3/11 10:09 p.m. |
| Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk. | uberfoop | 12/3/11 10:44 p.m. |
| Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk. | ZaneZavin | 12/4/11 2:50 a.m. |
| Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk. | Bryan Newman | 12/4/11 10:03 a.m. |
| Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk. | ZaneZavin | 12/4/11 10:46 a.m. |
| Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk. | Bryan newman | 12/4/11 12:21 p.m. |
| Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk. | Bry | 12/3/11 10:02 p.m. |
| Re: Hey Newman | Hedgemony | 12/3/11 9:43 p.m. |
| Re: Hey Newman | bryan newman | 12/3/11 9:53 p.m. |
| Re: Hey Newman | Hedgemony | 12/3/11 10:14 p.m. |
| MLG: Hire Hedge. | Leviathan | 12/3/11 10:29 p.m. |
| This | padraig08 | 12/3/11 11:26 p.m. |
| Re: This | Hyokin | 12/4/11 11:10 a.m. |
| Sourced | padraig08 | 12/4/11 2:13 p.m. |
| Re: Sourced | Hyokin | 12/4/11 9:10 p.m. |
| Re: Whoa now!!! | JDQuackers | 12/3/11 7:37 a.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | davidfuchs | 12/2/11 9:13 p.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | SIX min WHISTLE | 12/2/11 10:21 p.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | Azo 'Galvat | 12/3/11 12:11 a.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | Pkmnrulz240 | 12/2/11 9:27 p.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | DEEP NNN | 12/2/11 9:42 p.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | Schooly D | 12/2/11 9:53 p.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | SonGoharotto | 12/2/11 10:30 p.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | Schooly D | 12/2/11 10:37 p.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | DEEP NNN | 12/3/11 5:54 a.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | Schooly D | 12/3/11 11:15 a.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | DEEP NNN | 12/3/11 2:40 p.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | JDQuackers | 12/3/11 7:49 a.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | Schooly D | 12/3/11 11:00 a.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | JDQuackers | 12/3/11 5:26 p.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | Spec ops Grunt | 12/3/11 8:11 p.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | Flynn J Taggart | 12/4/11 5:24 a.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | Spec ops Grunt | 12/4/11 2:20 p.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | Schooly D | 12/2/11 9:50 p.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | davidfuchs | 12/2/11 10:26 p.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | urk | 12/3/11 1:13 a.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | Schooly D | 12/3/11 1:45 a.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | urk | 12/3/11 10:19 a.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | Azo 'Galvat | 12/3/11 10:31 a.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | Schooly D | 12/3/11 11:30 a.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | padraig08 | 12/3/11 2:32 p.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | Spec ops Grunt | 12/3/11 2:15 a.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | FyreWulff | 12/3/11 4:25 a.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | GhaleonEB | 12/3/11 8:11 a.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | FyreWulff | 12/3/11 8:36 a.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | Schooly D | 12/3/11 10:44 a.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | Joony Joon | 12/3/11 11:38 a.m. |
| exactly | kidtsunami | 12/4/11 4:26 p.m. |
| Re: exactly | uberfoop | 12/4/11 4:51 p.m. |
| I think that it's a systematic adjustment | kidtsunami | 12/4/11 5:23 p.m. |
| Re: I think that it's a systematic adjustment | uberfoop | 12/4/11 5:44 p.m. |
| Re: I think that it's a systematic adjustment | kidtsunami | 12/4/11 5:55 p.m. |
| Re: I think that it's a systematic adjustment | uberfoop | 12/4/11 6:27 p.m. |
| we'll have to hedge it | kidtsunami | 12/4/11 6:46 p.m. |
| Re: we'll have to hedge it | uberfoop | 12/4/11 7:17 p.m. |
| Re: I think that it's a systematic adjustment | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 12/4/11 7:13 p.m. |
| Re: I think that it's a systematic adjustment | uberfoop | 12/4/11 7:31 p.m. |
| I forgot to say | kidtsunami | 12/4/11 5:24 p.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | Overdoziz | 12/2/11 10:37 p.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | Pkmnrulz240 | 12/2/11 11:41 p.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | Leviathan | 12/3/11 12:28 a.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | bluerunner | 12/3/11 2:26 a.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | SonofMacPhisto | 12/3/11 10:20 a.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | ArteenEsben | 12/4/11 6:50 a.m. |
| Twilight Sparkle? | RC Master | 12/4/11 8:40 a.m. |
| Re: Twilight Sparkle? | Ibeechu | 12/4/11 9:07 a.m. |
| Horsemeat? *NM* | Quirel | 12/4/11 10:08 a.m. |
| Re: Twilight Sparkle? | Leviathan | 12/4/11 12:06 p.m. |
| =O | thebruce0 | 12/4/11 6:47 p.m. |
| Re: =O | Leviathan | 12/5/11 4:32 p.m. |
| O_O | HotIcePhoenix | 12/4/11 11:19 p.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | Quirel | 12/3/11 1:02 a.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | SonofMacPhisto | 12/3/11 11:08 a.m. |
| Adding my vote to the "Don't Care" column. *NM* | Phoenix_9286 | 12/2/11 11:15 p.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | Flynn J Taggart | 12/3/11 1:54 a.m. |
| So I watched quite a bit... | RC Master | 12/3/11 5:52 a.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | NartFOpc | 12/3/11 12:23 p.m. |
| Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? | Kalamari | 12/3/11 2:08 p.m. |
| Bloom is not the blue shell | kidtsunami | 12/4/11 4:47 p.m. |
