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Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?
Posted By: Schooly D <schoolyd@teamschoolyd.org>Date: 12/2/11 9:50 p.m.

In Response To: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road? (RVideo)


: Over at another forum, we have been talking quite a lot about the future of
: Halo in MLG. Many insiders including Gandhi and Neighbor (both household
: names for H2 MLG) have their doubts as to the future of MLG Halo.

: For the last venue that recently aired, the fan turnout was low compared to
: previous tourneys. For those of us who are monitoring this situation, we
: really have no idea what to think. Starcraft 2 seems to have supplanted
: Halo as the premier showcase game for MLG events. There is no indication
: that this is going to change for the 2012 season.

Sad but not surprising.

1) Halo was the big draw for MLG back when it was the only name in the arena. Its popularity has dwindled as other games have done a better job of attracting the audience Halo once had a monopoly over (COD being the prime example)

2) Reach exacerbated a problem Halo 3 introduced regarding noncompetitive apathy toward competitive play.

With Halo 2, the pros were playing basically the same game everyone else played, just at an extremely high level. The only differences were things like starting weapons, timers, etc.

With Halo 3, increased customization (Forge primarily) led to competitive players tailoring the game to what they wanted. This was really the start of the manifest disconnect between competitive and noncompetitive play from the perspective of both groups: competitive players didn't want to play normal Halo 3, and noncompetitive players had no interest in watching or caring about what competitive players did because it was like they were playing a totally different game.

Reach continued this trend. The customization options in Reach are even more robust than they were in Halo 3. Most MLG maps are made completely from scratch. And the disconnect was made even worse by the fact that "default" Reach had/has very noncompetitive settings (wacky/inappropriate Armor Abilities, slow movement speed, bloom on the basic weapon(s) of the game), making it necessary for competitive players to alter many fundamental aspects of the game.

3) Halo can't really hope to compete with Starcraft 2 at MLG events just by the nature of the games. Starcraft 2 is a slow-paced game that relies much more on strategy than execution, giving commentators ample time to break down exactly what's going on in the game at all times, with plenty of detail. Coupled with the fact that everything in the game can be captured from the same top-down perspective the players use means spectators in the audience and on streams can take in the whole game rather easily.

This contrasts with Halo. The game has comparatively more reliance on execution than strategy, it's much more fast-paced, and the only perspective worth anything is the POV of one of the eight players in the game which can never give anyone the full picture.

As far as competitive Halo is concerned, Reach was a failure. I'll be interested to see what route 343i takes with Halo 4. Will they continue to casualize the game and force competitive players to contort the game even further to render it marginally appropriate for competitive play? Or will they realize that the key for an inherently competitive game's long term health and success (any game where the object is to dominate other humans is inherently competitive) is its competitive fanbase?


Team Schooly D



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MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?RVideo 12/2/11 7:45 p.m.
     Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?Spec ops Grunt 12/2/11 8:18 p.m.
           Whoa now!!!bryan newman 12/2/11 8:57 p.m.
                 Re: Whoa now!!!JDQuackers 12/2/11 9:32 p.m.
                       Re: Whoa now!!!bryan newman 12/3/11 12:24 a.m.
                             Re: Whoa now!!!RVideo 12/3/11 1:05 a.m.
                                   Re: Whoa now!!!Bryan Newman 12/3/11 4:35 p.m.
                                         Re: Whoa now!!!Bry 12/3/11 5:06 p.m.
                                               Not quite trueBryan newman 12/3/11 5:41 p.m.
                                                     Re: Not quite trueBry 12/3/11 6:38 p.m.
                                                           That really depends.uberfoop 12/3/11 6:46 p.m.
                                                                 Err, wait.uberfoop 12/3/11 6:48 p.m.
                                                           MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk.bryan newman 12/3/11 7:42 p.m.
                                                                 "Casual Weapons"Spec ops Grunt 12/3/11 8:07 p.m.
                                                                       I'm not trying to be insulting.bryan newman 12/3/11 8:29 p.m.
                                                                             Re: I'm not trying to be insulting.SonofMacPhisto 12/3/11 8:33 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: I'm not trying to be insulting.bryan newman 12/3/11 8:41 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: I'm not trying to be insulting.SonofMacPhisto 12/3/11 8:45 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: I'm not trying to be insulting.bryan newman 12/3/11 8:47 p.m.
                                                                                         Pro = paid. Amateur = not paid.Gravemind 12/5/11 4:12 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: I'm not trying to be insulting.Bry 12/3/11 9:12 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: I'm not trying to be insulting.SonofMacPhisto 12/3/11 10:18 p.m.
                                                                                               OopsSonofMacPhisto 12/3/11 10:24 p.m.
                                                                                         It's my gamerzone...RC Master 12/4/11 8:10 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: It's my gamerzone...Bry 12/4/11 9:57 a.m.
                                                                 Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk.Bry 12/3/11 8:24 p.m.
                                                                       Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk.SonofMacPhisto 12/3/11 8:32 p.m.
                                                                       Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk.bryan newman 12/3/11 8:38 p.m.
                                                                             Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk.Bry 12/3/11 9:06 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk.bryan newman 12/3/11 9:21 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk.Leviathan 12/3/11 9:39 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk.bryan newman 12/3/11 9:56 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk.Leviathan 12/3/11 10:09 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk.uberfoop 12/3/11 10:44 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk.ZaneZavin 12/4/11 2:50 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk.Bryan Newman 12/4/11 10:03 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk.ZaneZavin 12/4/11 10:46 a.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk.Bryan newman 12/4/11 12:21 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: MLG is not a requirement, merely a perk.Bry 12/3/11 10:02 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Hey NewmanHedgemony 12/3/11 9:43 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Hey Newmanbryan newman 12/3/11 9:53 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Hey NewmanHedgemony 12/3/11 10:14 p.m.
                                                                                   MLG: Hire Hedge.Leviathan 12/3/11 10:29 p.m.
                                                                                   Thispadraig08 12/3/11 11:26 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: ThisHyokin 12/4/11 11:10 a.m.
                                                                                               Sourcedpadraig08 12/4/11 2:13 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: SourcedHyokin 12/4/11 9:10 p.m.
                             Re: Whoa now!!!JDQuackers 12/3/11 7:37 a.m.
           Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?davidfuchs 12/2/11 9:13 p.m.
                 Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?SIX min WHISTLE 12/2/11 10:21 p.m.
                 Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?Azo 'Galvat 12/3/11 12:11 a.m.
     Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?Pkmnrulz240 12/2/11 9:27 p.m.
     Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?DEEP NNN 12/2/11 9:42 p.m.
           Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?Schooly D 12/2/11 9:53 p.m.
                 Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?SonGoharotto 12/2/11 10:30 p.m.
                       Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?Schooly D 12/2/11 10:37 p.m.
                             Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?DEEP NNN 12/3/11 5:54 a.m.
                                   Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?Schooly D 12/3/11 11:15 a.m.
                                         Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?DEEP NNN 12/3/11 2:40 p.m.
                             Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?JDQuackers 12/3/11 7:49 a.m.
                                   Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?Schooly D 12/3/11 11:00 a.m.
                                         Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?JDQuackers 12/3/11 5:26 p.m.
                                         Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?Spec ops Grunt 12/3/11 8:11 p.m.
                                               Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?Flynn J Taggart 12/4/11 5:24 a.m.
                                                     Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?Spec ops Grunt 12/4/11 2:20 p.m.
     Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?Schooly D 12/2/11 9:50 p.m.
           Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?davidfuchs 12/2/11 10:26 p.m.
           Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?urk 12/3/11 1:13 a.m.
                 Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?Schooly D 12/3/11 1:45 a.m.
                       Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?urk 12/3/11 10:19 a.m.
                             Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?Azo 'Galvat 12/3/11 10:31 a.m.
                             Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?Schooly D 12/3/11 11:30 a.m.
                             Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?padraig08 12/3/11 2:32 p.m.
                 Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?Spec ops Grunt 12/3/11 2:15 a.m.
                 Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?FyreWulff 12/3/11 4:25 a.m.
                       Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?GhaleonEB 12/3/11 8:11 a.m.
                             Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?FyreWulff 12/3/11 8:36 a.m.
                       Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?Schooly D 12/3/11 10:44 a.m.
                             Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?Joony Joon 12/3/11 11:38 a.m.
                                   exactlykidtsunami 12/4/11 4:26 p.m.
                                         Re: exactlyuberfoop 12/4/11 4:51 p.m.
                                               I think that it's a systematic adjustmentkidtsunami 12/4/11 5:23 p.m.
                                                     Re: I think that it's a systematic adjustmentuberfoop 12/4/11 5:44 p.m.
                                                           Re: I think that it's a systematic adjustmentkidtsunami 12/4/11 5:55 p.m.
                                                                 Re: I think that it's a systematic adjustmentuberfoop 12/4/11 6:27 p.m.
                                                                       we'll have to hedge itkidtsunami 12/4/11 6:46 p.m.
                                                                             Re: we'll have to hedge ituberfoop 12/4/11 7:17 p.m.
                                                           Re: I think that it's a systematic adjustmentAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 12/4/11 7:13 p.m.
                                                                 Re: I think that it's a systematic adjustmentuberfoop 12/4/11 7:31 p.m.
                                               I forgot to saykidtsunami 12/4/11 5:24 p.m.
     Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?Overdoziz 12/2/11 10:37 p.m.
           Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?Pkmnrulz240 12/2/11 11:41 p.m.
           Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?Leviathan 12/3/11 12:28 a.m.
                 Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?bluerunner 12/3/11 2:26 a.m.
                       Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?SonofMacPhisto 12/3/11 10:20 a.m.
                             Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?ArteenEsben 12/4/11 6:50 a.m.
                                   Twilight Sparkle?RC Master 12/4/11 8:40 a.m.
                                         Re: Twilight Sparkle?Ibeechu 12/4/11 9:07 a.m.
                                               Horsemeat? *NM*Quirel 12/4/11 10:08 a.m.
                                               Re: Twilight Sparkle?Leviathan 12/4/11 12:06 p.m.
                                                     =Othebruce0 12/4/11 6:47 p.m.
                                                           Re: =OLeviathan 12/5/11 4:32 p.m.
                                                     O_OHotIcePhoenix 12/4/11 11:19 p.m.
           Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?Quirel 12/3/11 1:02 a.m.
           Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?SonofMacPhisto 12/3/11 11:08 a.m.
     Adding my vote to the "Don't Care" column. *NM*Phoenix_9286 12/2/11 11:15 p.m.
     Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?Flynn J Taggart 12/3/11 1:54 a.m.
     So I watched quite a bit...RC Master 12/3/11 5:52 a.m.
     Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?NartFOpc 12/3/11 12:23 p.m.
     Re: MLG and Halo: Is this the end of the road?Kalamari 12/3/11 2:08 p.m.
     Bloom is not the blue shellkidtsunami 12/4/11 4:47 p.m.



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