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Re: Stop the presses.
Posted By: Louis Wu <halo@bungie.org>Date: 11/28/01 5:28 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Stop the presses. (Anonymous Rex)

: I think it was you that said, in another post, that game companies don't owe
: their fans anything (if it wasn't you, please accept my apologies); I
: think that's a load of bull. Manufacturers/designers don't work in a void
: and wouldn't exist without their fans. The relationship is symbiotic, if
: asymmetric.

I think one of the reasons 'nobody got it' is because Bungie, in fact, does more for and with its fans than almost any gaming company out there. (I say almost because if I leave it out, someone is sure to point out a company that does more... but I don't know of any.)

You say you're disappointed by Halo - okay, that's certainly your prerogative. You said, in a different post (I don't want to go looking for it now) that you were out $700, which you didn't think Halo was worth, but returning the equipment didn't serve your needs, or something - this is the part at which you left the realm I would consider reasonable. All the rest of that stuff - Bungie already does that! We've gotten boxes of goodies to give away from Bungie (and have given it away). Bungie does things like Launch Parties, and Fanfests (okay, most of the fanfests have been organized by a particular fan... but Bungie has kicked in, financially). And at the fanfests, even the ones not organized by Bungie, they give away free stuff - at the E3 fest, they had 3 Xboxes and copies of Halo to give away! (Well, the promise of them once they were released, anyway.)

I'm a fan - I run this site because I love the company and I think the people are good people. I've broken bread with them - I consider a number of them personal friends at this point. A week before the MS buyout, they cared enough about their fansites that they called several to warn them of the upcoming sale - because they thought we should be in the loop. (You might look at that and say "well, they just did that so that you wouldn't turn on them after the sale"... and maybe they did. But the bottom line was, they respected FANS enough to let the fan-run sites know something was up.)

The reason, I think, you're seeing such hostility to your approach is because you seem to think that Bungie owes you something FOR YOUR EXPECTATIONS. I'd agree that any company has an obligation to their fans - and Bungie honors this obligation more than most. That obligation, though, is due to your support of the company, NOT your expectations for any one game. Does Sierra owe Mac users money because they cancelled Half-Life for Mac? They built an expectation up in us... then scrapped the project. Don't we deserve compensation for the loss we suffered?

(If you read that last sentence and said 'yes, dammit!', I'm wasting my breath... or fingers, or whatever.)


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Replies:

How to Keep Loyal Fans HappyAnonymous Rex 11/27/01 12:46 p.m.
     Get over yourself.Nijhazer 11/27/01 1:08 p.m.
     Re: How to Keep Loyal Fans HappyRiggs 11/27/01 1:09 p.m.
           Re: How to Keep Loyal Fans HappyApollo 11/27/01 2:51 p.m.
                 What demos? *NM*Andrew Nagy 11/27/01 3:00 p.m.
                       Re: What demos?*Ar-Isildur of *WP* 11/27/01 3:48 p.m.
                             Re: What demos?Andrew Nagy 11/27/01 4:35 p.m.
                                   Re: What demos?Apollo 11/27/01 8:28 p.m.
                                         Re: What demos?Ferrex (Dead) 11/28/01 12:36 p.m.
           Re: How to Keep Loyal Fans Happyvector40 11/27/01 8:09 p.m.
     I'm keeping it simple...Djof@School 11/27/01 1:20 p.m.
           Re: I'm keeping it simple...vector40 11/27/01 8:11 p.m.
     Re: How to Keep Loyal Fans Happymnemesis 11/27/01 1:24 p.m.
     Re: How to Keep Loyal Fans HappyCaerdwyn 11/27/01 1:31 p.m.
     Re: How to Keep Loyal Fans HappyFerrex (Dead) 11/27/01 1:52 p.m.
           well said *NM**Ar-Isildur of *WP* 11/27/01 2:01 p.m.
           Thanks for replyingAnonymous Rex 11/27/01 2:42 p.m.
                 Re: Thanks for replyingAndrew Nagy 11/27/01 2:56 p.m.
                 Re: Thanks for replyingFerrex (Dead) 11/27/01 3:58 p.m.
                       Re: Thanks for replyingAnonymous Rex 11/27/01 5:18 p.m.
                             Re: Thanks for replyingCunbelin@Work 11/27/01 6:10 p.m.
                                   Re: Thanks for replyingkayas 11/27/01 6:50 p.m.
                                   One in the eye, Louis.vector40 11/27/01 8:37 p.m.
                                         rotfl!Louis Wu 11/27/01 8:52 p.m.
                                               Re: rotfl!vector40 11/27/01 9:25 p.m.
                                                     Re: rotfl!Louis Wu 11/27/01 9:29 p.m.
                                   OMG!! OMG NOE!!!!! (NT)MakeMineRed 11/28/01 6:48 a.m.
                                         Re: OMG!! OMG NOE!!!!! (NT)vector40 11/28/01 7:15 p.m.
                                         Re: OMG!! OMG NOE!!!!! (NT)Cunbelin The Spoiler 11/29/01 1:40 a.m.
                                               Re: OMG!! OMG NOE!!!!! (NT)MakeMineRed 11/29/01 6:58 a.m.
                                                     Re: OMG!! OMG NOE!!!!! (NT)vector40 11/29/01 7:06 p.m.
                                                           September (end of) *NM*Louis Wu 11/29/01 7:12 p.m.
                                                                 Thanks. *NM*vector40 11/29/01 7:19 p.m.
                             Re: Thanks for replyingvector40 11/27/01 8:30 p.m.
                 Re: Thanks for replyingvector40 11/27/01 8:18 p.m.
           bunch of kids...Marty the Elder 11/27/01 4:16 p.m.
                 Re: bunch of kids...*Ar-Isildur of *WP* 11/27/01 6:22 p.m.
                 Re: bunch of kids...Achronos 11/28/01 4:14 p.m.
     I'm amazed...*Ar-Isildur of *WP* 11/27/01 2:12 p.m.
           Re: I'm amazed...no7orious 11/27/01 5:07 p.m.
                 Re: I'm amazed...*Ar-Isildur of *WP* 11/27/01 6:45 p.m.
                       That sounds about right... cool! *NM*no7orious 11/27/01 7:37 p.m.
                       Re: I'm amazed...James Isaak 11/27/01 8:18 p.m.
                             Re: I'm amazed...*Ar-Isildur of *WP* 11/27/01 11:30 p.m.
     Stop the presses.Frost 11/27/01 2:35 p.m.
           Re: Stop the presses.Anonymous Rex 11/27/01 2:47 p.m.
                 Re: Stop the presses.vector40 11/27/01 8:35 p.m.
                       Re: Stop the presses.Anonymous Rex 11/27/01 11:13 p.m.
                             Re: Stop the presses.vector40 11/27/01 11:30 p.m.
                                   Show catsAnonymous Rex 11/28/01 12:35 a.m.
                                         Re: Show catsvector40 11/28/01 7:13 p.m.
                                               Re: Show catsAnonymous Rex 11/28/01 9:05 p.m.
                                                     Re: Oh really!?kayas 11/28/01 10:07 p.m.
                                                     Re: Show catsvector40 11/28/01 10:09 p.m.
                                         Re: Show catsHackerhitman13 11/28/01 7:17 p.m.
                                               Re: Show catsAnonymous Rex 11/28/01 8:41 p.m.
                                                     Re: Show catsHackerhitman13 11/28/01 11:24 p.m.
                             Re: Stop the presses.Louis Wu 11/28/01 5:28 a.m.
                                   Re: Stop the presses.Frost 11/28/01 4:47 p.m.
                                   Louis is much better at this than I am. *NM*vector40 11/28/01 7:14 p.m.
                                   Bungie is differentAnonymous Rex 11/28/01 11:09 p.m.
                                         This is just dripping :)vector40 11/29/01 12:00 a.m.
                                               Bungie is differentAnonymous Rex 11/29/01 2:56 a.m.
                                                     Re: Bungie is differentvector40 11/29/01 7:02 p.m.
     Re: How to Keep Loyal Fans HappyCunbelin@Work 11/27/01 5:16 p.m.
     Re: How to Keep Loyal Fans HappyImpact 11/27/01 9:58 p.m.
     Re: How to Keep Loyal Fans HappySteve Campbell 11/27/01 10:24 p.m.
     if you would...ONEi 11/28/01 12:06 p.m.
           Re: if you would...Steve 11/28/01 12:29 p.m.
           Re: if you would...vector40 11/28/01 7:01 p.m.
     Re: How to Keep Loyal Fans HappyHeavyMetalMachine 11/28/01 4:06 p.m.



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