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Re: My final words on the topic ... for the moment
Posted By: General Vagueness <General.Vagueness@gmail.com>	Date: 11/7/11 3:05 p.m.
In Response To: Re: My final words on the topic ... for the moment (Jillybean) : Therefore it's the one stop shop for adding instant drama to a story. And : when it's done to men, it's considered comedy, because it's funny when a : man loses power, for some bizarre and twisted reason. What comedians have you been watching, and why are they not in jail? It's not funny, and only people with serious mental issues would think it is. People make jokes about it happening in prison but I think that's mostly either for shock or cringe value or as a kind of a subtle cultlural reinforcement of why you want to stay out, and they aren't exactly a common jokes. : See Farscape for male-rape done 'right' (if you'll forgive the unfortunate turn of phrase) I'm glad I missed that episode. : Now, Jillybean, you ask. She couldn't exactly die, how could we ensure drama? : Well, here's the thing - we're never entirely sure if Cortana's playing a : huge xanatos gambit or not. a what? : In fact, to my mind, the ending of Halo 2 set it up to look as though she might : consider teaming up with Gravemind. I always figured she was just cooperating to gain some safety, and after hearing it taken like this a few times I'm more of the persuasion that it doesn't set up anything but expectations of something going down, so in my mind that's the big moment of cheapness. : Why must the female character be imperiled in the fashion that makes her a : victim? Why must she be rescued by a tin can of a man? I don't have an answer for that, but I get the feeling it's more of a rhetorical question anyway (and I don't know what the questions imply or "mean" either). : How about the drama coming from the fact the Chief didn't know if his : best friend (his only remaining friend) might betray him or not. Maybe he has : to terminate her program, coming from ONI's orders and the 'Cortana' level : is about him planting a bomb, and Cortana uses those creepy flashes, not : to shriek in pain, but to plead with the Chief to trust her? : Or if you simply must have Cortana in pain somehow, how about she learns : something from Gravemind and has to choose whether to sacrifice the Chief : (her friend ) or the Arbiter and UNSC's eventual hope for peace? : [snip] : Or go the other way. If you're going to have a female character raped (or : pseudo-cyber-raped) how is she going to come out of that on the other : side? Are we going to see her revel in mainframes again? Or struggle to : interact with other characters in the same way as she did before? Is she : going to question herself, or feel angry about what's happened to her? Is : she simply going to be relieved and try to push it all away behind her. : There's absolutely no hint of how Cortana feels other than she is glad to : be rescued, and she is thankful. : You might not think that's a bad thing. But I think she has thousands of : years to sit on a broken space ship and think about a horrible traumatic : experience, while her rescuer sleeps his troubles away. Go girl power. Those sound OK as story critiques and other ways the story could've gone, but what you said before, and particularly the way you said it, didn't make it seem like your point was "this is badly written", it seemed like your point was something more emotional, more visceral, something you saw as more important than a poorly-written story. Anyway the fact that it wasn't dealt with, to me, supports thinking either they didn't see it that way and didn't realize anyone would or it was going to be dealt with in Halo 4 (that seems to be the plan now, to clear out the emotional attic in the new trilogy). Maybe we should save the rest of the argument until someone posts about the next article?

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Feminist analysis of Halo 2	ElzarTheBam	11/4/11 6:28 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Overdoziz	11/4/11 6:41 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	davidfuchs	11/4/11 7:21 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/4/11 9:03 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Vagueness	11/4/11 9:54 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/4/11 10:26 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Quirel	11/4/11 12:12 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Vagueness	11/4/11 2:35 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/4/11 3:21 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	=sw=warlord	11/4/11 8:53 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/4/11 8:56 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Overdoziz	11/5/11 6:39 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	SonofMacPhisto	11/5/11 7:10 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Vagueness	11/5/11 7:47 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Overdoziz	11/5/11 8:52 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/7/11 9:10 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/7/11 9:48 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/8/11 12:24 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	SonofMacPhisto	11/8/11 10:14 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/8/11 4:29 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Vagueness	11/4/11 9:49 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Louis Wu	11/4/11 10:50 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/4/11 10:53 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Louis Wu	11/4/11 11:30 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Overdoziz	11/4/11 12:11 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/4/11 12:43 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	scarab	11/4/11 1:08 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Beckx	11/4/11 1:12 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Overdoziz	11/4/11 1:19 p.m.
Also:	Overdoziz	11/4/11 12:14 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/4/11 12:40 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Vagueness	11/4/11 11:47 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/7/11 9:40 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	BanditORR	11/4/11 10:00 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Mid7night	11/4/11 12:18 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Ibeechu	11/4/11 4:28 p.m.
ell oh ell i broke the forum *NM*	Ibeechu	11/4/11 4:30 p.m.
That's what you get, insulting Freud! *NM*	SonofMacPhisto	11/4/11 4:43 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/4/11 5:14 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Jillybean	11/4/11 4:49 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Miguel Chavez	11/4/11 4:52 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/8/11 5:40 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Vagueness	11/8/11 6:35 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/8/11 7:03 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Leviathan	11/8/11 7:07 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Quirel	11/8/11 11:49 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/9/11 12:34 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Leisandir	11/8/11 10:39 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Jillybean	11/9/11 1:35 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/9/11 1:51 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Jillybean	11/9/11 2:03 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Quirel	11/9/11 9:16 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Vagueness	11/13/11 6:25 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Jillybean	11/4/11 5:42 p.m.
also...	Jillybean	11/4/11 6:00 p.m.
Re: also...	General Vagueness	11/4/11 7:26 p.m.
Re: also...	Jillybean	11/4/11 7:37 p.m.
Re: also...	Ibeechu	11/4/11 7:53 p.m.
Re: also...	Jillybean	11/4/11 8:05 p.m.
Re: also...	General Battuta	11/4/11 8:22 p.m.
Re: also...	Ibeechu	11/4/11 10:22 p.m.
Re: also...	General Battuta	11/5/11 9:55 a.m.
Re: also...	SonofMacPhisto	11/5/11 10:47 a.m.
HOLD THE PHONE	Jillybean	11/5/11 1:56 p.m.
Re: HOLD THE PHONE	Quirel	11/5/11 3:12 p.m.
Re: HOLD THE PHONE	Jillybean	11/5/11 3:27 p.m.
Re: HOLD THE PHONE	General Battuta	11/5/11 3:39 p.m.
Re: also...	BanditORR	11/5/11 6:27 p.m.
Re: also...	SonofMacPhisto	11/5/11 7:07 p.m.
Re: also...	BanditORR	11/5/11 9:22 p.m.
I don't want to get into this too much	Leisandir	11/6/11 8:26 a.m.
Re: I don't want to get into this too much	General Vagueness	11/6/11 8:44 a.m.
Re: I don't want to get into this too much	Leisandir	11/6/11 6:30 p.m.
Re: I don't want to get into this too much	General Vagueness	11/7/11 9:03 a.m.
Re: I don't want to get into this too much	Jillybean	11/6/11 12:20 p.m.
Re: I don't want to get into this too much	Vandle Valsher	11/6/11 4:38 p.m.
I think I'll simply say...	DHalo	11/6/11 6:58 p.m.
Re: I think I'll simply say...	Leisandir	11/6/11 9:52 p.m.
My final words on the topic ... for the moment	Jillybean	11/7/11 12:31 p.m.
Also, ignore the fact I sound like Cody here *NM*	Jillybean	11/7/11 12:36 p.m.
Re: My final words on the topic ... for the moment	General Vagueness	11/7/11 1:12 p.m.
Re: My final words on the topic ... for the moment	Jillybean	11/7/11 1:50 p.m.
Re: My final words on the topic ... for the moment	General Vagueness	11/7/11 3:05 p.m.
Re: My final words on the topic ... for the moment	Quirel	11/7/11 7:50 p.m.
Tab explosion *NM*	Jillybean	11/8/11 11:36 a.m.
Re: also...	SonofMacPhisto	11/7/11 10:14 a.m.
Re: also...	General Battuta	11/7/11 6:51 p.m.
(this is for BanditOrr)	General Battuta	11/7/11 6:52 p.m.
Re: also...	General Vagueness	11/5/11 7:19 p.m.
Re: also...	Jillybean	11/5/11 2:04 p.m.
Re: also...	BanditORR	11/5/11 6:35 p.m.
Re: also...	General Vagueness	11/5/11 6:17 p.m.
Re: also...	Overdoziz	11/5/11 5:19 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Overdoziz	11/4/11 7:04 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/7/11 2:15 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/7/11 2:24 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	The Loot	11/7/11 9:31 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Quirel	11/7/11 10:53 p.m.