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I don't want to get into this too much
Posted By: Leisandir <joecooperstein@hotmail.com>	Date: 11/6/11 8:26 a.m.
In Response To: Re: also... (BanditORR) : Wow. That's a hell of a lot of presumption based off one sentence. I never : said that, and I don't believe it. : As Vagueness just kind of stated- I don't believe any of this is relevant if : the author doesn't intend it. That doesn't mean works can't be interpreted : in different ways. It does mean that you can't claim the author is immoral : based on your interpretations. If immorality is not what these : interpretations are about, then I REALLY think feminists are wasting their : time finding vagina analogies. Fight discrimination against women. That's : a real problem with conceivable solutions. Stop trying to guess at what : other people are thinking or intending. : All of this ignores the immense amount of arrogance it takes to tell someone : what they REALLY meant by their own goddamn work. But I don't want to get : into a pissing contest about that. because I know I'm generally outclassed in this discussion, but I do have a comment about the interpretation/intent thing. Let's say you read a two-hundred year old book. The author is dead and never left any commentary on the work. The only way to determine intent is to interpret. Let's say you read the book and get all kinds of wild social ideas. There's a minor character that just feels like he has tons of mystery behind him. You read this book and get these ideas based on your interpretation of it. The author had no idea there were social ideas, and that minor character was pulled out of his ass to fill a simple role, nothing more to him. Is your interpretation any less valid? The answer is no. So yeah, with Halo, you know who the authors are, you can hear them comment on their intentions, you can watch behind-the-scenes, whatever. That doesn't mean an interpretation different from the intent is wrong. There are all kinds of forces that act on authors, and most of them are subconscious. Maybe they put Cortana in a shitty situation to give the Chief an objective, and it never crossed their minds that the situation could be construed as rape. They changed the Arbiter's name before Halo 2 released because they were afraid of the connotations of the original (Dervish) - that was something they modified because, despite a complete and total lack of intent to cause offence, they recognized that someone out there could interpret it as offensive. Regardless of intent, a work has the potential to reinforce or tear down pre-existing stereotypes and ideas. Part of the reason for this is that, while we here at HBO are part of a community where the authors and administrators of the story frequent, and we all watch the interviews and read the commentaries, the vast majority of people who experience Halo do not. The intent of the authors is not known to that much larger population. All they have to go on is what they see and read in the stories themselves.

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Feminist analysis of Halo 2	ElzarTheBam	11/4/11 6:28 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Overdoziz	11/4/11 6:41 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	davidfuchs	11/4/11 7:21 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/4/11 9:03 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Vagueness	11/4/11 9:54 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/4/11 10:26 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Quirel	11/4/11 12:12 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Vagueness	11/4/11 2:35 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/4/11 3:21 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	=sw=warlord	11/4/11 8:53 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/4/11 8:56 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Overdoziz	11/5/11 6:39 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	SonofMacPhisto	11/5/11 7:10 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Vagueness	11/5/11 7:47 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Overdoziz	11/5/11 8:52 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/7/11 9:10 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/7/11 9:48 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/8/11 12:24 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	SonofMacPhisto	11/8/11 10:14 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/8/11 4:29 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Vagueness	11/4/11 9:49 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Louis Wu	11/4/11 10:50 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/4/11 10:53 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Louis Wu	11/4/11 11:30 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Overdoziz	11/4/11 12:11 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/4/11 12:43 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	scarab	11/4/11 1:08 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Beckx	11/4/11 1:12 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Overdoziz	11/4/11 1:19 p.m.
Also:	Overdoziz	11/4/11 12:14 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/4/11 12:40 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Vagueness	11/4/11 11:47 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/7/11 9:40 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	BanditORR	11/4/11 10:00 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Mid7night	11/4/11 12:18 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Ibeechu	11/4/11 4:28 p.m.
ell oh ell i broke the forum *NM*	Ibeechu	11/4/11 4:30 p.m.
That's what you get, insulting Freud! *NM*	SonofMacPhisto	11/4/11 4:43 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/4/11 5:14 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Jillybean	11/4/11 4:49 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Miguel Chavez	11/4/11 4:52 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/8/11 5:40 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Vagueness	11/8/11 6:35 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/8/11 7:03 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Leviathan	11/8/11 7:07 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Quirel	11/8/11 11:49 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/9/11 12:34 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Leisandir	11/8/11 10:39 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Jillybean	11/9/11 1:35 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/9/11 1:51 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Jillybean	11/9/11 2:03 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Quirel	11/9/11 9:16 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Vagueness	11/13/11 6:25 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Jillybean	11/4/11 5:42 p.m.
also...	Jillybean	11/4/11 6:00 p.m.
Re: also...	General Vagueness	11/4/11 7:26 p.m.
Re: also...	Jillybean	11/4/11 7:37 p.m.
Re: also...	Ibeechu	11/4/11 7:53 p.m.
Re: also...	Jillybean	11/4/11 8:05 p.m.
Re: also...	General Battuta	11/4/11 8:22 p.m.
Re: also...	Ibeechu	11/4/11 10:22 p.m.
Re: also...	General Battuta	11/5/11 9:55 a.m.
Re: also...	SonofMacPhisto	11/5/11 10:47 a.m.
HOLD THE PHONE	Jillybean	11/5/11 1:56 p.m.
Re: HOLD THE PHONE	Quirel	11/5/11 3:12 p.m.
Re: HOLD THE PHONE	Jillybean	11/5/11 3:27 p.m.
Re: HOLD THE PHONE	General Battuta	11/5/11 3:39 p.m.
Re: also...	BanditORR	11/5/11 6:27 p.m.
Re: also...	SonofMacPhisto	11/5/11 7:07 p.m.
Re: also...	BanditORR	11/5/11 9:22 p.m.
I don't want to get into this too much	Leisandir	11/6/11 8:26 a.m.
Re: I don't want to get into this too much	General Vagueness	11/6/11 8:44 a.m.
Re: I don't want to get into this too much	Leisandir	11/6/11 6:30 p.m.
Re: I don't want to get into this too much	General Vagueness	11/7/11 9:03 a.m.
Re: I don't want to get into this too much	Jillybean	11/6/11 12:20 p.m.
Re: I don't want to get into this too much	Vandle Valsher	11/6/11 4:38 p.m.
I think I'll simply say...	DHalo	11/6/11 6:58 p.m.
Re: I think I'll simply say...	Leisandir	11/6/11 9:52 p.m.
My final words on the topic ... for the moment	Jillybean	11/7/11 12:31 p.m.
Also, ignore the fact I sound like Cody here *NM*	Jillybean	11/7/11 12:36 p.m.
Re: My final words on the topic ... for the moment	General Vagueness	11/7/11 1:12 p.m.
Re: My final words on the topic ... for the moment	Jillybean	11/7/11 1:50 p.m.
Re: My final words on the topic ... for the moment	General Vagueness	11/7/11 3:05 p.m.
Re: My final words on the topic ... for the moment	Quirel	11/7/11 7:50 p.m.
Tab explosion *NM*	Jillybean	11/8/11 11:36 a.m.
Re: also...	SonofMacPhisto	11/7/11 10:14 a.m.
Re: also...	General Battuta	11/7/11 6:51 p.m.
(this is for BanditOrr)	General Battuta	11/7/11 6:52 p.m.
Re: also...	General Vagueness	11/5/11 7:19 p.m.
Re: also...	Jillybean	11/5/11 2:04 p.m.
Re: also...	BanditORR	11/5/11 6:35 p.m.
Re: also...	General Vagueness	11/5/11 6:17 p.m.
Re: also...	Overdoziz	11/5/11 5:19 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Overdoziz	11/4/11 7:04 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/7/11 2:15 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/7/11 2:24 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	The Loot	11/7/11 9:31 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Quirel	11/7/11 10:53 p.m.