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Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2
Posted By: General Battuta <seth.dickinson@gmail.com>	Date: 11/4/11 5:14 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2 (Ibeechu) : See, this is the kind of stuff that just makes me hate articles like these. : When writing a male character, you don't have to worry about this kind of : stuff. But when writing a female character, you have to walk on eggshells : so that people won't take it as an example of rape or weakness or bullshit : like that. Isn't that double standard the most sexist part of all this? : I like your example of the Arbiter, but also think about the cutscene where : the Gravemind has control of the Arbier, the Chief, Regret, and Penitent : Tangent. Isn't that the most rapey thing we ever see the Gravemind do? But : it's skimmed over because all the characters are male? This is the double : standard I'm talking about. Imagine if they (or any of them) were female. : NOW who's paging Dr. Freud? P.S. Freud was a fucking hack : Regarding Miranda, I never once felt any rapey undertones. Not even in the : scene with Tartarus. What if it were her father there instead of her? : Again, nobody would have said anything. But it's only because she's a : woman that it's brought up. You know what else was pretty rapey? When : Jacob Keyes gets violated and absorbed by the Flood. But she skims over : that part of CE without so much as a "btw is that rapey or is that : just me?" : Now, I'm not saying there isn't sexism in art. Of course there is. But it : swings both ways. And often times there just isn't any at all. Articles : like these always come off to me as grasping for straws, and it feels so : unfair to me that she singles out women in these stories. Again, isn't : that more sexist than just talking about sexual undertones in general ? You'd have a good point if we were starting from an even footing. But you can't swap a man in for a woman and treat it as equivalent because the media you're analyzing exists in an inequal environment. Any given scene played with a male character is different from the same scene played with a female character. You're trying to rotate over a false symmetry. : But I'm a man so any criticism I have of feminism is instantly moot and I'm : only saying it because I secretly think women are weak and stupid amirite No. I'd actually love to have a calm, respectful discussion about this, so please, don't start it off by tearing yourself down. Freud was a total hack.

Message Index

Feminist analysis of Halo 2	ElzarTheBam	11/4/11 6:28 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Overdoziz	11/4/11 6:41 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	davidfuchs	11/4/11 7:21 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/4/11 9:03 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Vagueness	11/4/11 9:54 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/4/11 10:26 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Quirel	11/4/11 12:12 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Vagueness	11/4/11 2:35 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/4/11 3:21 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	=sw=warlord	11/4/11 8:53 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/4/11 8:56 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Overdoziz	11/5/11 6:39 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	SonofMacPhisto	11/5/11 7:10 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Vagueness	11/5/11 7:47 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Overdoziz	11/5/11 8:52 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/7/11 9:10 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/7/11 9:48 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/8/11 12:24 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	SonofMacPhisto	11/8/11 10:14 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/8/11 4:29 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Vagueness	11/4/11 9:49 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Louis Wu	11/4/11 10:50 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/4/11 10:53 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Louis Wu	11/4/11 11:30 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Overdoziz	11/4/11 12:11 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/4/11 12:43 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	scarab	11/4/11 1:08 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Beckx	11/4/11 1:12 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Overdoziz	11/4/11 1:19 p.m.
Also:	Overdoziz	11/4/11 12:14 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/4/11 12:40 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Vagueness	11/4/11 11:47 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/7/11 9:40 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	BanditORR	11/4/11 10:00 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Mid7night	11/4/11 12:18 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Ibeechu	11/4/11 4:28 p.m.
ell oh ell i broke the forum *NM*	Ibeechu	11/4/11 4:30 p.m.
That's what you get, insulting Freud! *NM*	SonofMacPhisto	11/4/11 4:43 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Battuta	11/4/11 5:14 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Jillybean	11/4/11 4:49 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Miguel Chavez	11/4/11 4:52 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/8/11 5:40 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Vagueness	11/8/11 6:35 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/8/11 7:03 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Leviathan	11/8/11 7:07 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Quirel	11/8/11 11:49 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/9/11 12:34 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Leisandir	11/8/11 10:39 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Jillybean	11/9/11 1:35 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/9/11 1:51 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Jillybean	11/9/11 2:03 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Quirel	11/9/11 9:16 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	General Vagueness	11/13/11 6:25 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Jillybean	11/4/11 5:42 p.m.
also...	Jillybean	11/4/11 6:00 p.m.
Re: also...	General Vagueness	11/4/11 7:26 p.m.
Re: also...	Jillybean	11/4/11 7:37 p.m.
Re: also...	Ibeechu	11/4/11 7:53 p.m.
Re: also...	Jillybean	11/4/11 8:05 p.m.
Re: also...	General Battuta	11/4/11 8:22 p.m.
Re: also...	Ibeechu	11/4/11 10:22 p.m.
Re: also...	General Battuta	11/5/11 9:55 a.m.
Re: also...	SonofMacPhisto	11/5/11 10:47 a.m.
HOLD THE PHONE	Jillybean	11/5/11 1:56 p.m.
Re: HOLD THE PHONE	Quirel	11/5/11 3:12 p.m.
Re: HOLD THE PHONE	Jillybean	11/5/11 3:27 p.m.
Re: HOLD THE PHONE	General Battuta	11/5/11 3:39 p.m.
Re: also...	BanditORR	11/5/11 6:27 p.m.
Re: also...	SonofMacPhisto	11/5/11 7:07 p.m.
Re: also...	BanditORR	11/5/11 9:22 p.m.
I don't want to get into this too much	Leisandir	11/6/11 8:26 a.m.
Re: I don't want to get into this too much	General Vagueness	11/6/11 8:44 a.m.
Re: I don't want to get into this too much	Leisandir	11/6/11 6:30 p.m.
Re: I don't want to get into this too much	General Vagueness	11/7/11 9:03 a.m.
Re: I don't want to get into this too much	Jillybean	11/6/11 12:20 p.m.
Re: I don't want to get into this too much	Vandle Valsher	11/6/11 4:38 p.m.
I think I'll simply say...	DHalo	11/6/11 6:58 p.m.
Re: I think I'll simply say...	Leisandir	11/6/11 9:52 p.m.
My final words on the topic ... for the moment	Jillybean	11/7/11 12:31 p.m.
Also, ignore the fact I sound like Cody here *NM*	Jillybean	11/7/11 12:36 p.m.
Re: My final words on the topic ... for the moment	General Vagueness	11/7/11 1:12 p.m.
Re: My final words on the topic ... for the moment	Jillybean	11/7/11 1:50 p.m.
Re: My final words on the topic ... for the moment	General Vagueness	11/7/11 3:05 p.m.
Re: My final words on the topic ... for the moment	Quirel	11/7/11 7:50 p.m.
Tab explosion *NM*	Jillybean	11/8/11 11:36 a.m.
Re: also...	SonofMacPhisto	11/7/11 10:14 a.m.
Re: also...	General Battuta	11/7/11 6:51 p.m.
(this is for BanditOrr)	General Battuta	11/7/11 6:52 p.m.
Re: also...	General Vagueness	11/5/11 7:19 p.m.
Re: also...	Jillybean	11/5/11 2:04 p.m.
Re: also...	BanditORR	11/5/11 6:35 p.m.
Re: also...	General Vagueness	11/5/11 6:17 p.m.
Re: also...	Overdoziz	11/5/11 5:19 a.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Overdoziz	11/4/11 7:04 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/7/11 2:15 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Dragonclaws	11/7/11 2:24 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	The Loot	11/7/11 9:31 p.m.
Re: Feminist analysis of Halo 2	Quirel	11/7/11 10:53 p.m.