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Re: What we expect in MTA and M4

Posted By: Philtron Date: 5/21/15 7:57 a.m.
In Response To: Re: What we expect in MTA and M4 (cB557)

: Gonna have to disagree with MTA 6. Boss fights are pretty easy to make shit
: in FPSes and "defeat this single super tough enemy and the rest of
: their forces will crumble" is hard to reconcile in a story. If they
: feel they can make a boss fight work, sure, but it's not something that
: they should have to cram into the game regardless of how well it fits.
: Also, no to seeing the W'rkncacnter, and no repeated an amount of times that
: is best expressed in scientific notation to being able to fight it. A
: big part of eldritch creatures is their unknowability, something that
: giving one a concrete form would kinda... take away from. As well, there's
: the whole,"they're so far beyond us that they don't even notice
: us" thing, so... being able to fight and kill it would just... yeah,
: no, just no.
I agree with everything cB557 said. Very well put.
It's important to note that in any Marathon remake the most important thing to preserve would be FEEL and TONE.
Movement needs to feel fast and SMOOTH, like Marathon and unlike a lot of modern FPSs. Using weapons needs to feel quick, smooth, and simple. Visuals should feel bright and clean, not dark and gritty.
And the tone of gameplay should be one that doesn't take itself too seriously. Grenade jumping and flame floating don't need to be preserved perfectly, but the whimsical, unrealistic TONE should be preserved. Guns shouldn't be realistic, they should be fun and powerful and feel awesome to use.
That being said, I disagree with a lot of what you suggest, Lion O Cyborg. I'm not going to nitpick every point, but here's just a few things:
First, the main character is NOT NAMED MARCUS. Eternal and Rubicon ARE NOT CANON. They're fan mods and fan fic.
Second, NO, the story should ABSOLUTELY NOT follow the story of Eternal and Rubicon because, 1) THEY ARE NOT CANON, 2) their stories are kind of shitty anyway (I don't care if I'm in a minority with that opinion).
Third, as cB557 said, there shouldn't be boss battles. Battles simply do not fit into Marathon's style of game design. Marathon is about sliding through winding complex environments, fighting numerous enemies with tactically different weapons. Marathon IS NOT about sitting in one room with one enemy for minutes at a time, learning a pattern, and then doing that pattern over and over and over and over...
But ultimately, the most important thing to remember is the quote Bob-B-Q posted. It's better to let Marathon be the old Marathon that we few loyalists still play and love. Jason Jones and Bungie should move onto something different rather than digging up old corpses.

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: I agree with everything cB557 said. Very well put. : It's important to note that in any Marathon remake the most important thing : to preserve would be FEEL and TONE. : Movement needs to feel fast and SMOOTH, like Marathon and unlike a lot of : modern FPSs. Using weapons needs to feel quick, smooth, and simple. : Visuals should feel bright and clean, not dark and gritty. : And the tone of gameplay should be one that doesn't take itself too : seriously. Grenade jumping and flame floating don't need to be preserved : perfectly, but the whimsical, unrealistic TONE should be preserved. Guns : shouldn't be realistic, they should be fun and powerful and feel awesome : to use. : That being said, I disagree with a lot of what you suggest, Lion O Cyborg. : I'm not going to nitpick every point, but here's just a few things: First, : the main character is NOT NAMED MARCUS. Eternal and Rubicon ARE NOT CANON. : They're fan mods and fan fic. : Second, NO, the story should ABSOLUTELY NOT follow the story of Eternal and : Rubicon because, 1) THEY ARE NOT CANON, 2) their stories are kind of : shitty anyway (I don't care if I'm in a minority with that opinion). : Third, as cB557 said, there shouldn't be boss battles. Battles simply do not : fit into Marathon's style of game design. Marathon is about sliding : through winding complex environments, fighting numerous enemies with : tactically different weapons. Marathon IS NOT about sitting in one room : with one enemy for minutes at a time, learning a pattern, and then doing : that pattern over and over and over and over... : But ultimately, the most important thing to remember is the quote Bob-B-Q : posted. It's better to let Marathon be the old Marathon that we few : loyalists still play and love. Jason Jones and Bungie should move onto : something different rather than digging up old corpses.

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What we expect in MTA and M4	Lion O Cyborg	5/20/15 6:07 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4 NM LINK	Lion O Cyborg	5/20/15 6:15 a.m.
Imagine a painting of a horse...	Bob-B-Q	5/20/15 6:48 a.m.
Too bad they couldn't bury Halo, too...	Jabberwok	5/21/15 9:32 a.m.
Re: Too bad they couldn't bury Halo, too...	Bob-B-Q	5/22/15 9:02 a.m.
Re: Imagine a painting of a horse...	Lion O Cyborg	5/22/15 4:52 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Martin	5/20/15 1:37 p.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	cB557	5/21/15 7:01 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Martin	5/21/15 10:59 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	PerseusSpartacus	5/21/15 12:04 p.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	cB557	5/21/15 1:14 p.m.
Re: Spank Daddyo	President People	5/28/15 10:10 p.m.
Re: Spank Daddyo	Martin	5/29/15 12:51 a.m.
Re: Spank Daddyo	PerseusSpartacus	5/29/15 7:53 a.m.
Re: Spank Daddyo	VikingBoyBilly	5/29/15 2:57 a.m.
Re: Spank Daddyo	Martin	5/29/15 9:05 a.m.
Re: Spank Daddyo	Lion O Cyborg	5/29/15 11:35 a.m.
Re: Spank Daddyo	Martin	5/29/15 8:04 p.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Philtron	5/21/15 7:38 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	cB557	5/21/15 1:18 p.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Philtron	5/21/15 1:35 p.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	cB557	5/21/15 1:57 p.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Lion O Cyborg	5/22/15 5:26 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	cB557	5/22/15 9:26 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Lion O Cyborg	5/22/15 4:47 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	cB557	5/21/15 7:27 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Philtron	5/21/15 7:57 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Lion O Cyborg	5/22/15 7:03 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	VikingBoyBilly	5/22/15 7:25 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Lion O Cyborg	5/22/15 10:29 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Philtron	5/22/15 7:52 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Lion O Cyborg	5/22/15 9:29 a.m.
You're twelve years old and what is this? NM	Bob-B-Q	5/22/15 9:31 a.m.
I think all involved could stand to ad-hominem a b NM	cB557	5/22/15 9:37 a.m.
Re: I think all involved could stand to ad-hominem	cB557	5/22/15 9:37 a.m.
Re: You're twelve years old and what is this?	Lion O Cyborg	5/22/15 10:01 a.m.
Re: You're twelve years old and what is this?	Lion O Cyborg	5/22/15 10:34 a.m.
Re: You're twelve years old and what is this?	VikingBoyBilly	5/22/15 11:24 a.m.
Re: You're twelve years old and what is this?	Lion O Cyborg	5/23/15 4:40 a.m.
Re: You're twelve years old and what is this?	Bob-B-Q	5/22/15 1:46 p.m.
Re: You're twelve years old and what is this?	VikingBoyBilly	5/22/15 1:48 p.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	VikingBoyBilly	5/22/15 9:57 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Lion O Cyborg	5/22/15 10:17 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Philtron	5/22/15 11:52 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Lion O Cyborg	5/22/15 6:03 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Matt	5/21/15 7:48 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Jabberwok	5/21/15 9:27 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Matt	5/21/15 11:57 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	cB557	5/21/15 1:23 p.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Philtron	5/21/15 1:29 p.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	PerseusSpartacus	5/21/15 8:11 p.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Lion O Cyborg	5/22/15 7:16 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Matt	5/22/15 7:49 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	VikingBoyBilly	5/22/15 7:58 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Bob-B-Q	5/22/15 9:44 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Lion O Cyborg	5/22/15 10:19 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	VikingBoyBilly	5/22/15 5:17 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Lion O Cyborg	5/22/15 9:12 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	cB557	5/22/15 9:33 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	cB557	5/22/15 9:34 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	VikingBoyBilly	5/22/15 10:59 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	VikingBoyBilly	5/22/15 11:08 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Lion O Cyborg	5/23/15 4:43 a.m.
Re: What we expect in MTA and M4	Lion O Cyborg	5/23/15 4:47 a.m.
What I want in a rerelease	VikingBoyBilly	5/24/15 9:06 a.m.
Re: What I want in a rerelease	PerseusSpartacus	5/24/15 7:07 p.m.
Re: What I want in a rerelease	Philtron	5/24/15 8:08 p.m.
Re: What I want in a rerelease	VikingBoyBilly	5/25/15 2:13 a.m.
Re: What I want in a rerelease	PerseusSpartacus	5/25/15 7:03 a.m.
Re: What I want in a rerelease	Lion O Cyborg	5/25/15 9:13 a.m.
Re: What I want in a rerelease	Lion O Cyborg	5/25/15 8:49 a.m.
Re: What I want in a rerelease	Lion O Cyborg	5/25/15 8:14 a.m.
Re: What I want in a rerelease	VikingBoyBilly	5/25/15 9:04 a.m.
Re: What I want in a rerelease	Lion O Cyborg	5/25/15 9:55 a.m.
Re: What I want in a rerelease	PerseusSpartacus	5/26/15 6:11 p.m.
Re: What I want in a rerelease	VikingBoyBilly	5/27/15 4:27 a.m.
Re: What I want in a rerelease	Lion O Cyborg	5/27/15 6:20 a.m.
Re: What I want in a rerelease	Matt	5/26/15 7:05 a.m.
Re: What I want in a rerelease	VikingBoyBilly	5/26/15 7:43 a.m.
Re: What I want in a rerelease	Matt	5/26/15 8:47 a.m.
Re: What I want in a rerelease	VikingBoyBilly	5/26/15 10:52 a.m.
Re: What I want in a rerelease	Matt	5/26/15 3:01 p.m.
Re: What I want in a rerelease	treellama	5/27/15 7:21 a.m.
Re: What I want in a rerelease	ukimalefu	5/27/15 7:54 a.m.
Re: What I want in a rerelease LINK	Dispatcher	5/30/15 5:27 a.m.
What I want in a rerelease, spelling corrected.	Dispatcher	5/31/15 4:57 a.m.
Re: What I want in a rerelease, spelling corrected	VikingBoyBilly	6/1/15 3:06 a.m.
Re the Re: What I want in a rerelease	Dispatcher	6/1/15 3:59 p.m.
Re: Re the Re: What I want in a rerelease	VikingBoyBilly	6/2/15 3:43 a.m.
Re: What I want in a rerelease	Bob-B-Q	5/27/15 8:43 a.m.
Re: What I want in a rerelease	Matt	5/27/15 9:00 a.m.
Re: What I want in a rerelease	Bob-B-Q	5/27/15 9:47 a.m.
VR	ukimalefu	5/27/15 11:50 p.m.



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	Message: : I agree with everything cB557 said. Very well put. : It's important to note that in any Marathon remake the most important thing : to preserve would be FEEL and TONE. : Movement needs to feel fast and SMOOTH, like Marathon and unlike a lot of : modern FPSs. Using weapons needs to feel quick, smooth, and simple. : Visuals should feel bright and clean, not dark and gritty. : And the tone of gameplay should be one that doesn't take itself too : seriously. Grenade jumping and flame floating don't need to be preserved : perfectly, but the whimsical, unrealistic TONE should be preserved. Guns : shouldn't be realistic, they should be fun and powerful and feel awesome : to use. : That being said, I disagree with a lot of what you suggest, Lion O Cyborg. : I'm not going to nitpick every point, but here's just a few things: First, : the main character is NOT NAMED MARCUS. Eternal and Rubicon ARE NOT CANON. : They're fan mods and fan fic. : Second, NO, the story should ABSOLUTELY NOT follow the story of Eternal and : Rubicon because, 1) THEY ARE NOT CANON, 2) their stories are kind of : shitty anyway (I don't care if I'm in a minority with that opinion). : Third, as cB557 said, there shouldn't be boss battles. Battles simply do not : fit into Marathon's style of game design. Marathon is about sliding : through winding complex environments, fighting numerous enemies with : tactically different weapons. Marathon IS NOT about sitting in one room : with one enemy for minutes at a time, learning a pattern, and then doing : that pattern over and over and over and over... : But ultimately, the most important thing to remember is the quote Bob-B-Q : posted. It's better to let Marathon be the old Marathon that we few : loyalists still play and love. Jason Jones and Bungie should move onto : something different rather than digging up old corpses.
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